EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

'ello everybody,

new to the list, not the exs. Sorry if this has been addressed 
before, I couldn't find it though...

As wonderful as the exs is, I've always wondered why nobody 
has to date fallen over the fact that individual samples within an 
instrument can not have their own envelopes, filters, fades, etc...

Am I overlooking something here?
Best,
OlavB

--- In exs-users@y..., "darealbasoski" <mail@o...> wrote:
> 'ello everybody,
> 
> new to the list, not the exs. Sorry if this has been addressed 
> before, I couldn't find it though...
> 
> As wonderful as the exs is, I've always wondered why nobody 
> has to date fallen over the fact that individual samples within an 
> instrument can not have their own envelopes, filters, fades, etc...


Thats true. No filter etc per zone. You can set the "offsets" of A-
env and filter for groups. Maybe thats not what youre after.

regards
Mikael Adle
http://www.mp3.com/MikaelAdle

At 03:58 PM 12/5/02 +0000, you wrote:

>'ello everybody,
>new to the list, not the exs. Sorry if this has been addressed
>before, I couldn't find it though...
>As wonderful as the exs is, I've always wondered why nobody
>has to date fallen over the fact that individual samples within an
>instrument can not have their own envelopes, filters, fades, etc...
>Am I overlooking something here?

Hey, I have! We spent many weeks programming translations that 
algorithmically averaged these out in a user-acceptable way - if there was 
even one to begin with.

(The funny thing about programming this was that sooner or later we thought 
it would be tossed out anyway when Emagic updated the EXS to do this - but 
then they haven't yet, so it wasn't a waste of time - yet.)

Remember, though, the groups have overrides that help in this - for the amp 
ADSR, cutoff, and rez. That effectively sinks those down to the zone level. 
But nope on everything else - and now with Mark II, it sux even more before 
there even more outside the zone realm.

But your right - it isn't crossfading that is the Achilles Heel of the of 
the EXS, it's the depth level of the paramters.

Either Emagic could sink these down to the Zone level (preferred), or they 
could do a new file format called a "Bank" or "Combi" or "Rueben Sandwich 
on Rye," which allowed multiple EXS instances (whatever the term) to load 
on different audio instruments. This way you could make one Master 
Instrument out of several sub-EXS ones, and play it as one. SmapleCell is a 
good model of this. Of course, this is too confusing - as if the computer 
music world wasn't already overly complicated.

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

-
...On the other hand, now that I think of it, maybe I'm a bit 
nit-pickin' here...Coming from the Akai and Emu age, I'm simply 
used to all the luxurious deep-level possiblities. 

In the 'old' days (oh my god!!) you saved up all yer money and 
bought a sampler. That was that. These days we seem to be so 
spoiled with everything that is on offer that perhaps we've come 
to a state of '"MORE MORE MORE!".

Fact remains that if u have good convertors lying around for your 
audiostuff anyway, the EXS is about the best sampler you 
could've ever wanted for this kind of money...

Who knows, maybe they'll surprise us one day soon...:)
O.



> >'ello everybody,
> >new to the list, not the exs. Sorry if this has been addressed
> >before, I couldn't find it though...
> >As wonderful as the exs is, I've always wondered why nobody
> >has to date fallen over the fact that individual samples within 
an
> >instrument can not have their own envelopes, filters, fades, 
etc...
> >Am I overlooking something here?

Nope, you are correct.

> From: "darealbasoski" <mail@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 15:58:20 -0000
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [exs] them samples
> 
> 'ello everybody,
> 
> new to the list, not the exs. Sorry if this has been addressed
> before, I couldn't find it though...
> 
> As wonderful as the exs is, I've always wondered why nobody
> has to date fallen over the fact that individual samples within an
> instrument can not have their own envelopes, filters, fades, etc...
> 
> Am I overlooking something here?
> Best,
> OlavB
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Yeah, yeah, yeah... but that's not the same thing. I was being quite general
I will admit. But what you said was definitely worth mentioning and I should
have done the same.

> From: "Rubber Chicken Software Co." <support@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:19:55 -0600
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [exs] them samples
> 
> At 03:58 PM 12/5/02 +0000, you wrote:
> 
>> 'ello everybody,
>> new to the list, not the exs. Sorry if this has been addressed
>> before, I couldn't find it though...
>> As wonderful as the exs is, I've always wondered why nobody
>> has to date fallen over the fact that individual samples within an
>> instrument can not have their own envelopes, filters, fades, etc...
>> Am I overlooking something here?
> 
> Hey, I have! We spent many weeks programming translations that
> algorithmically averaged these out in a user-acceptable way - if there was
> even one to begin with.
> 
> (The funny thing about programming this was that sooner or later we thought
> it would be tossed out anyway when Emagic updated the EXS to do this - but
> then they haven't yet, so it wasn't a waste of time - yet.)
> 
> Remember, though, the groups have overrides that help in this - for the amp
> ADSR, cutoff, and rez. That effectively sinks those down to the zone level.
> But nope on everything else - and now with Mark II, it sux even more before
> there even more outside the zone realm.
> 
> But your right - it isn't crossfading that is the Achilles Heel of the of
> the EXS, it's the depth level of the paramters.
> 
> Either Emagic could sink these down to the Zone level (preferred), or they
> could do a new file format called a "Bank" or "Combi" or "Rueben Sandwich
> on Rye," which allowed multiple EXS instances (whatever the term) to load
> on different audio instruments. This way you could make one Master
> Instrument out of several sub-EXS ones, and play it as one. SmapleCell is a
> good model of this. Of course, this is too confusing - as if the computer
> music world wasn't already overly complicated.
> 
> Garth Hjelte
> Sampler User
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send a blank email to:
> exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> For a list of places to get free samples please see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/links/
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
>

> Subject: them samples
> From: "darealbasoski

> 'ello everybody,
>
> As wonderful as the exs is, I've always wondered why nobody
> has to date fallen over the fact that individual samples within an
> instrument can not have their own envelopes, filters, fades, etc...

It's a shame! You mean features like Akai Keygroups. In the
Instrument-editor you will find something similar. Check your view-settings
in that window.

Nikolaus Sieveking
nap - nichtlineareaudioproduktionen
<niko@...>

No, what I mean is for sure not there. Have you ever 
accomplished to give a zone or even a group it's OWN adsr 
envelope? If u have, do fill us in coz u're probably the only one:)
Best,
O.



> 
> It's a shame! You mean features like Akai Keygroups. In the
> Instrument-editor you will find something similar. Check your 
view-settings

> in that window.
> 
> Nikolaus Sieveking
> nap - nichtlineareaudioproduktionen
> <niko@l...>

darealbasoski wrote:
> No, what I mean is for sure not there. Have you ever
> accomplished to give a zone or even a group it's OWN adsr
> envelope? If u have, do fill us in coz u're probably the only one:)

Well, you can at least use the ADSR offset function of the groups.
I agree that it might be nice having such a functionality straight for
individual zones as well - whenever you're using a group for something else
(i.e. exclusive groups such as hihats) this functionality is lost unless you
want to apply some ADSR offset to all zones.
It *might* eventually be cool to have some completely independent ADSRs for
zones and groups as well - but this surely will tax your CPU quite a bit
more (can be seen in HALion and Kontakt).
One of the advances of the EXS IMO is the straightforward simplyness of the
editor (don't get me wrong, I am the first asking for some more or less
massive improvements, epecially when it comes to graphical editing), all
routings and such are easy to see. This ain't the case with either HALion or
Kontakt.

Regards,
Sascha

> Best,
> O.
>
>
>
> >
> > It's a shame! You mean features like Akai Keygroups. In the
> > Instrument-editor you will find something similar. Check your
> view-settings
> > in that window.
> >
> > Nikolaus Sieveking
> > nap - nichtlineareaudioproduktionen
> > <niko@l...>
>
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send a blank email to:
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>
>
>
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Hi all,

Is there any way to convert Battery kits to EXS instruments?