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>teddybut wrote:
>  > PS when is "virtual composer" coming out? I thi

Isn't that what loops are?

From: <HELP@...>

>As I recall, I think there was some kind of hit (crap) song (commercial
>sludge) that came out recently that used Virtual Guitarist.

And there are 5000 crap songs that use cellos. It's all how you use 
it. Again, you can feed it MIDI on channel 15 and play the individual 
slices.

>  Teddy, your
>email is hilarious to me because I thought VG was the worst instrument ever
>to be released.

And I really like it. Sure it has limitations (like no expensive 
chords or single note samples so you can go beyond the patterns, but 
again, it's all how you use it.

>  I feel like Steinberg should be liable for punitive damages
>for releasing the worst (only a freakin' single-octive set of sampled chords
>(just what I love... prefab chord progressions of lifeless crapola)
>disguised as a VST instrument that doesn't even go from C3 to C4.
>Given
>that, the price is obscene. It's not even worth $50. Fortunately I was able
>to recover the expense on ebay. I was speechless after the 4-hour
>installation. I had been so excited and was completely floored by it's
>pathetic, uninspiring anti-nature.

How about drum machines with preset patterns? Why aren't people 
shouting about them?
To me that's totally pathetic. Or drum loop CDs, for that matter? 
They don't exactly breathe with the music.

And it took me about 15 minutes to install it, most of which was 
spent copying the data off the CD-ROM.

Finally, it doesn't have preset chord progressions, only patterns - 
that I don't use.
-- 
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Nick Batzdorf
818/905-9101, fax -5434, cell 818/601-4874

> And there are 5000 crap songs that use cellos. It's all how you use
> it. Again, you can feed it MIDI on channel 15 and play the individual
> slices.

Yeah, yeah. Glad you like it. Don't know how you stomach an 11-step set of
sample chords though. Didn't mean to offend anyone.
> 
> How about drum machines with preset patterns? Why aren't people
> shouting about them?

Don't use them either. I like to make everything from scratch. My remix
partner does use loops, but we overlap mostly original drum compositions.
None of my solo work uses loops. BUT, I've got friends who have done some
really nice work with loops and cutting them up. I guess that's sort of like
hiring a session drummer. No biggie to me really.

> And it took me about 15 minutes to install it, most of which was
> spent copying the data off the CD-ROM.

If you install it on the root, it's fine. I never install apps on the root.
I had to dig and dig till I found the cause of the problem in a
multiple-level-deep page on the site which said you had to use RezEdit to
change the search path of the plugin. After learning this, I just decided to
move the folder to the root and name it to what the VST plug was already
looking for. Moral of the story, they could have provided a warning and VERY
easy instructions to avoid this mess. If that doesn't hold water for you
teddy, then I guess you are just a f__king genius! :D

> Finally, it doesn't have preset chord progressions, only patterns -
> that I don't use.

I stand corrected. The slice idea is decent. My biggest complaint was the
one-octave set.

Teddy you're cool. Don't take me too seriously!

>> teddybut wrote:
>>> PS when is "virtual composer" coming out? I thi
> 
> Isn't that what loops are?

uh... not to me. a loop is a loop. a composition is something entirely more
complex. At least in my world.
> 
> From: <HELP@...>
> 
>> As I recall, I think there was some kind of hit (crap) song (commercial
>> sludge) that came out recently that used Virtual Guitarist.
> 
> And there are 5000 crap songs that use cellos. It's all how you use
> it. Again, you can feed it MIDI on channel 15 and play the individual
> slices.

very true... VG is really just another instrument. That's what I think too.
and it doesn't have MY sound, so it can't replace me...

teddybut

>> And there are 5000 crap songs that use cellos. It's all how you use
>> it. Again, you can feed it MIDI on channel 15 and play the individual
>> slices.
> 
> Yeah, yeah. Glad you like it. Don't know how you stomach an 11-step set of
> sample chords though. Didn't mean to offend anyone.
>> 
>> How about drum machines with preset patterns? Why aren't people
>> shouting about them?
> 
> Don't use them either. I like to make everything from scratch. My remix
> partner does use loops, but we overlap mostly original drum compositions.
> None of my solo work uses loops. BUT, I've got friends who have done some
> really nice work with loops and cutting them up. I guess that's sort of like
> hiring a session drummer. No biggie to me really.
> 
>> And it took me about 15 minutes to install it, most of which was
>> spent copying the data off the CD-ROM.
> 
> If you install it on the root, it's fine. I never install apps on the root.
> I had to dig and dig till I found the cause of the problem in a
> multiple-level-deep page on the site which said you had to use RezEdit to
> change the search path of the plugin. After learning this, I just decided to
> move the folder to the root and name it to what the VST plug was already
> looking for. Moral of the story, they could have provided a warning and VERY
> easy instructions to avoid this mess. If that doesn't hold water for you
> teddy, then I guess you are just a f__king genius! :D
> 
>> Finally, it doesn't have preset chord progressions, only patterns -
>> that I don't use.
> 
> I stand corrected. The slice idea is decent. My biggest complaint was the
> one-octave set.
> 
> Teddy you're cool. Don't take me too seriously!

but I didn't write anything you are answering... I believe that was Nick.

misquote alert!!!
misquote alert!!!
misquote alert!!!

teddybut

Ahhh, gotcha!

> but I didn't write anything you are answering... I believe that was Nick.
> 
> misquote alert!!!
> misquote alert!!!
> misquote alert!!!
> 
> teddybut

I wrote:

>  > I sympathize, of course, but it's not fair to imply that anyone who
>  > uses VG is a wanker and a thief.

From: teddybut <teddybut@...>

>Wanker and a thief? and then quoting me? I did not say ANYONE who uses VG is
>a wanker OR a thief. I said this ONE guy I know who uses the CRACKED version
>of it and makes BAD music is a wanker and a thief...

Then I apologize for going off the deep end. I felt the need to 
defend my review in Electronic Musician a couple of months ago. 
Somehow I took your example as a general slagging of VG. My bad.

>I welcome VG and others like it with open arms, as I said in my post which
>you quoted, I don't have to go to anyone's studio and do totally stupid
>things anymore because now there's a plug in that will do whatever anyone
>wants. It's great... no sarcasm intended. I really am happy about it.
>
>The really great thing is that I now will only get hired on gtr because
>someone needs MY personality on their track. I used to get hired a lot to
>play anonymously... (can you not be so exiting?) which I am good at, but am
>bored by. So bring on the robot gtr players... I'll save my soul for other
>things.

No question, VG has severe limitations, and it doesn't have any 
personality on its own. I still find it useful for certain things.

*****

Now going way OT:

  From: <HELP@...>

>  > If you're going to make a work of art,
>  > you don't grab a painting someone else left half-finished and 
>mass-produced.
>>  You start from scratch.

From: Nassau <nassau@...>

>i know what u mean but think about it, andy warhol is one of our greatest
>Artists

I like some of his stuff very much, but I think you can take it all 
in and get the whole point pretty quickly. Right away, in fact, even 
though there certainly is some subtlety to the way he put things 
together.

On the other hand, I could spend hours (and in fact have) looking at 
a single Picasso, Matisse, DuBuffet, and a few others and still keep 
seeing and feeling new things. Those are our greatest artists, in my 
opinion.

>  and what are his finest moments? campbell soup and marilyn monroe
>collages. i'm 99% sure he didn't make the campbell soup design in the first
>place or shot the photo of marilyn.

Right, and he made his point: anything can be "institutionalized" as 
art. It wasn't necessary for anyone else to say the same thing.

...and reading ahead, you say exactly what I say:

>anything can be cosiderd art.

Warhol is a great example to make your point! There are also 
differences, though.

Lots of people have used loops in really clever ways - that hilarious 
version of 'Watermelon Man,' for example.

But my objection is that most people use loops in a really watered 
down way. If you listen to, say, Weather Report (I just put on an old 
album so it's on my mind), they have this incredible groove going 
that keeps evolving; half of what you're hearing is implied - you 
hear parts going on that they aren't actually playing at that moment. 
You're going "ooh, ah" all the time.

And then someone comes along and samples one bar of that and keeps 
looping it over and over. There's nothing really wrong with that, but 
it's ridiculous to compare the two.

It's great that untrained musicians are able to get involved, and I 
have nothing against that. Different thing, though.
-- 

Nick Batzdorf
818/905-9101, fax -5434, cell 818/601-4874

> Nick Batzdorf <recording@...>wrote:
> 
>>> I sympathize, of course, but it's not fair to imply that anyone who
>>> uses VG is a wanker and a thief.
> 
> From: teddybut <teddybut@...>
> 
>> Wanker and a thief? and then quoting me? I did not say ANYONE who uses VG is
>> a wanker OR a thief. I said this ONE guy I know who uses the CRACKED version
>> of it and makes BAD music is a wanker and a thief...
> 
> Nick Batzdorf <recording@...>wrote:
> Then I apologize for going off the deep end. I felt the need to
> defend my review in Electronic Musician a couple of months ago.
> Somehow I took your example as a general slagging of VG. My bad.

thanks. no problem. We are drama queens. I am especially around Christmas.

damn consumers... get out of my way...

teddybut

Beep, beep!

> thanks. no problem. We are drama queens. I am especially around Christmas.
> 
> damn consumers... get out of my way...
> 
> teddybut