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Phil Buckle wrote:
> How much do we "lean" on other peoples talents for our own completed
tracks?

For me it's rather easy.
A) I don't use any audio loops but drum and percussion ones.
B) Often I just mangle them a lot so they somehow become my work as well.
Alternatively I might just hide them in the rest of the music. And then, the
loops I'm using are all pretty much basic, I don't like all those effected
and twisted things. That's the part I allways do myself.
C) I sometimes "steal" from MIDI files. But I keep nothing as it originally
was either.

In the end, I never use any premade stuff "as is". Mainly it's a source of
inspiration to me
For example, a good thing to learn from and get inspired is to "steal", say,
an 8 bar part of an existing complete song and try to reprogram it entirely.
As said, you learn a lot, your hearing skills improve as well, and, in my
case, I will often come up with own ideas during the process, being totally
different from the original. So again, in the end it's just to get some
inspiration.

Regards,
Sascha

Agreed; the same goes for say when I play guitar - I still learn from great
guitarists awsome solo's. I dont use the solos in my own stuff, but knowing
them gives a few more licks, etc.. Same idea goes for vocal, drums, etc.

One thing, though: How do you mean "steal" from MIDI files? (I'm just
curious as I've never seen any good midi material as all I've seen is crap
christmas-songs, etc, so please fill me in ;-)

// Kim

-----Original Message-----
From: Sascha Franck [mailto:S.Franck@...]
Sent: 22. december 2002 11:29
To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [exs] Re: Hey that sounds lke my track!!was[OT]
Slayer(guitar plugin)


Phil Buckle wrote:
> How much do we "lean" on other peoples talents for our own completed
tracks?

For me it's rather easy.
A) I don't use any audio loops but drum and percussion ones.
B) Often I just mangle them a lot so they somehow become my work as well.
Alternatively I might just hide them in the rest of the music. And then, the
loops I'm using are all pretty much basic, I don't like all those effected
and twisted things. That's the part I allways do myself.
C) I sometimes "steal" from MIDI files. But I keep nothing as it originally
was either.

In the end, I never use any premade stuff "as is". Mainly it's a source of
inspiration to me
For example, a good thing to learn from and get inspired is to "steal", say,
an 8 bar part of an existing complete song and try to reprogram it entirely.
As said, you learn a lot, your hearing skills improve as well, and, in my
case, I will often come up with own ideas during the process, being totally
different from the original. So again, in the end it's just to get some
inspiration.

Regards,
Sascha





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<It raises some interesting questions about using commercial loops and even
presets from instruments.
How much do we "lean" on other peoples talents for our own completed tracks?
It's a big subject.>

Interesting topic Phil....and one that comes up a lot with our stuff as you can imagine....

My take on what we do is to provide the "paint" part to people, where elements can be broken down and used in creative ways. I actually cringe as much as any of our customers do when we hear someone using our stuff in really uncreative and "stock" ways. It's especially a drag when someone does very little composition at all with the sounds and then calls it their own. Of course, it's legal to do this, because we aren't ever going to be the "creativity police"...but this kind of use, and those full-blown backing tracks kinds of products does put a bad rap on the whole soundware business. I often hear comments like "Commercial samples are only for uncreative musicians"....which is a shame.

OTOH, My favorite thing is to hear people use our stuff in super unique and interesting ways. A great example is the way inventive people like Guy Sigsworth, BT,  Timbaland, and Bjork use our samples. That's really what its all about for me, and why our focus is on furthering the marriage of technology and samples, with things like Groove Control and Virtual instruments, so that each person can use our sounds simply as a catalyst for inspiration, instead of just another "preset". I think that even people that are mainly preset users should strive to learn their instruments and techniques to increase their skills. IMO, that's part of the growing process of being an electronic musician in the 21st Century.

Merry Christmas!

spectrum
EP from Spectrasonics

on 24/12/02 5:13 AM, PersingEP@... at PersingEP@... wrote:

> <It raises some interesting questions about using commercial loops and even
> presets from instruments.
> How much do we "lean" on other peoples talents for our own completed tracks?
> It's a big subject.>
> 
> Interesting topic Phil....and one that comes up a lot with our stuff as you
> can imagine....

-Snip-

> 
> OTOH, My favorite thing is to hear people use our stuff in super unique and
> interesting ways. A great example is the way inventive people like Guy
> Sigsworth, BT,  Timbaland, and Bjork use our samples. That's really what its
> all about for me, and why our focus is on furthering the marriage of
> technology and samples, with things like Groove Control and Virtual
> instruments, so that each person can use our sounds simply as a catalyst for
> inspiration, instead of just another "preset". I think that even people that
> are mainly preset users should strive to learn their instruments and
> techniques to increase their skills. IMO, that's part of the growing process
> of being an electronic musician in the 21st Century.
> 
> Merry Christmas!
> 
> spectrum
> EP from Spectrasonics

Hi Eric, Your views echo my own on this subject.  Interesting to hear your
stuff popping up in different places. I think the sub loop in "Stole" by
Kelly  Rowland is one of yours.
I'm also positive that  in my XBox version of "SplinterCell" (ok I'm just a
big kid) I can hear some of your Metamorphosis loops..........it's just
after you get killed and your body hits the ground.
Phil Buckle.

Bjork... interesting. Thanks for sharing. No one can accuse her of being
unoriginal. BTW, how is your OSX development coming along for Logic. Any
kind of a timeline yet, or is Apple still stringing all the developers along
with a moving AU target? -Jer

> OTOH, My favorite thing is to hear people use our stuff in super unique and
> interesting ways. A great example is the way inventive people like Guy
> Sigsworth, BT,  Timbaland, and Bjork use our samples. That's really what its
> all about for me, and why our focus is on furthering the marriage of
> technology and samples, with things like Groove Control and Virtual
> instruments, so that each person can use our sounds simply as a catalyst for
> inspiration, instead of just another "preset". I think that even people that
> are mainly preset users should strive to learn their instruments and
> techniques to increase their skills. IMO, that's part of the growing process
> of being an electronic musician in the 21st Century.
> 
> Merry Christmas!