EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Hi,

If you go to the Hammersound link below there is a large compressed
soundfont (12 Mb) with several different Elec Bass multi-sample sets --
Muted, Finger style and Picked. If you use the EXS24  to convert this
soundfont you will get a bank of patches. I have made a few corrections and
adjustments to these instruments and also made some versions which cross
fade between the different articulations with the mod wheel. Some of these
instruments demonstrate using LFO 1 to modulate Pan and also using the
unison mode. Thought they might be useful to some as the samples themselves
are quite good. 

You can find the file --Nat Decay exs.zip in the files area for the
exs-users list at Yahoo Groups:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/files/

The sound font is at this link:

http://www.hammersound.net/cgi-bin/soundlink.pl?action=view_download_page;ID
=701;SoundFont_Location_Selected=Download%20USA%20VII;SoundFont_Filename_Sel
ected=naturally_decaying_b_guitars.rar

Regards,
Murray

This wouldn't happen to be a nice punchy bass with very little "funk" snap
and pop (every elect bass seems to be obligated to sound like this)? I have
been searching for _the_ basic bass sound that is used on probably 95% of
all rock/pop music. One example: the bass sound used by Paul McCartney on "I
want you (She's so heavy)"

Is it???

Bob

Murray McDowall wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> If you go to the Hammersound link below there is a large compressed
> soundfont (12 Mb) with several different Elec Bass multi-sample sets --
> Muted, Finger style and Picked. If you use the EXS24  to convert this
> soundfont you will get a bank of patches. I have made a few corrections and
> adjustments to these instruments and also made some versions which cross
> fade between the different articulations with the mod wheel. Some of these
> instruments demonstrate using LFO 1 to modulate Pan and also using the
> unison mode. Thought they might be useful to some as the samples themselves
> are quite good. 
> 
> You can find the file --Nat Decay exs.zip in the files area for the
> exs-users list at Yahoo Groups:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exs-users/files/
> 
> The sound font is at this link:
> 
> http://www.hammersound.net/cgi-bin/soundlink.pl?action=view_download_page;ID
> =701;SoundFont_Location_Selected=Download%20USA%20VII;SoundFont_Filename_Sel
> ected=naturally_decaying_b_guitars.rar

Bob Vandiver wrote: 
>
> This wouldn't happen to be a nice punchy bass with very little "funk" snap
> and pop (every elect bass seems to be obligated to sound like this)? I have
> been searching for _the_ basic bass sound that is used on probably 95% of
> all rock/pop music. One example: the bass sound used by Paul McCartney on "I
> want you (She's so heavy)"


I love that tune -- changes time signiature all over the place, great sounds,
good playing and recorded well --  even the Hammond parts are good.

These are not funky "snap and pop" samples. There are four patches: three are
multisample sets -- finger, pick and muted -- which is usually just a pick bass
sort of sound with palm resting on the strings near the bridge and damping the
normal decay. I have trimmed the attack sections so that the response to the
keyboard is instant. In the soundfont,  the samples include the initial section
of the envelope where the string is still in contact with the pick or the
finger. The delay makes them unplayable for my purposes. 

The finger sound is warm and not very punchy. 

The pick sound is brighter and has a sharper attack -- you can back that off
with the filter if you like -- in much the same way as you can approximate the
finger sound when using a pick by backing off the tone control. That might be a
good way to approximate the sound you want. 

The muted sound is very good -- quite percussive and pretty well matched
tonally with the pick sound so you can play a phrase which use these two
articulations.

Regards,
Murray

Thanks Murray, I'll check 'em out!

Bob

> From: Murray McDowall <murraymc@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:40:33 +1100
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [exs] Bass Guitar Samples and EXS instruments
> 
> Bob Vandiver wrote:
>> 
>> This wouldn't happen to be a nice punchy bass with very little "funk" snap
>> and pop (every elect bass seems to be obligated to sound like this)? I have
>> been searching for _the_ basic bass sound that is used on probably 95% of
>> all rock/pop music. One example: the bass sound used by Paul McCartney on "I
>> want you (She's so heavy)"
> 
> 
> I love that tune -- changes time signiature all over the place, great sounds,
> good playing and recorded well --  even the Hammond parts are good.
> 
> These are not funky "snap and pop" samples. There are four patches: three are
> multisample sets -- finger, pick and muted -- which is usually just a pick
> bass
> sort of sound with palm resting on the strings near the bridge and damping the
> normal decay. I have trimmed the attack sections so that the response to the
> keyboard is instant. In the soundfont,  the samples include the initial
> section
> of the envelope where the string is still in contact with the pick or the
> finger. The delay makes them unplayable for my purposes.
> 
> The finger sound is warm and not very punchy.
> 
> The pick sound is brighter and has a sharper attack -- you can back that off
> with the filter if you like -- in much the same way as you can approximate the
> finger sound when using a pick by backing off the tone control. That might be
> a
> good way to approximate the sound you want.
> 
> The muted sound is very good -- quite percussive and pretty well matched
> tonally with the pick sound so you can play a phrase which use these two
> articulations.
> 
> Regards,
> Murray
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: the Bass samples.

Well I downloaded them. This Macuser unstuffed the result (is 
the .rar encased within a zip archive? The URL suggests that the 
original is an .rar and Stuffit Expander does not handle rar 3.0).

I put the resulting file, with .sf2 for its suffix in the exs sample 
instruments folder as instructed by the EXS24 instructions. I tried 
refreshing the instrument window, restarting Logic 5.5 and rebooting -
 then restarting 5.5 - but none of these procedures would reveal the 
instrument in the exs sample instrument selector window within exs24.

I went back to the web site and read the "reviews" for this sample 
collection. Virtually every last one spoke of troubles with the 
archive: corrupted or whatever. I presume that wome reviews were 
posted by Windows users and they had the same trouble.

I think the archive is kaput. Any fixed version out there?

Bob Vandiver

Bob Vandiver wrote: 
>
> Re: the Bass samples.
>
> Well I downloaded them. This Macuser unstuffed the result (is 
> the .rar encased within a zip archive? The URL suggests that the 
> original is an .rar and Stuffit Expander does not handle rar 3.0).
>
> I put the resulting file, with .sf2 for its suffix in the exs sample 
> instruments folder as instructed by the EXS24 instructions. I tried 
> refreshing the instrument window, restarting Logic 5.5 and rebooting -
> then restarting 5.5 - but none of these procedures would reveal the 
> instrument in the exs sample instrument selector window within exs24.
>
> I went back to the web site and read the "reviews" for this sample 
> collection. Virtually every last one spoke of troubles with the 
> archive: corrupted or whatever. I presume that wome reviews were 
> posted by Windows users and they had the same trouble.
>
> I think the archive is kaput. Any fixed version out there?


Look further down that page of review  -- all recent messages say it is fine
and I downloaded it two days ago without problems. In Logic PC Plat 5.5 it was
converted it straight away. If you ended up with an sf2 file the rar has been
decoded. Sorry it is having issues crossing platforms. 

If you can extract the audio files from the sf2 some other way you can use the
exs files I put up at yahoo.

Regards,
Murray

From: Murray McDowall <murraymc@...>:

>> Subject: Re: Bass Guitar Samples and EXS instruments

>> Well I downloaded them. This Macuser unstuffed the result (is the .rar
>> encased within a zip archive? The URL suggests that the original is an
>> .rar and Stuffit Expander does not handle rar 3.0).

The latest version of Stuffit Expander (7.0.1) decompressed both the zip
archive and the enclosed .rar with no problems..

Cheers,
Joe Albano
ROOFTOP PRODUCTIONS
NYC, NY

From: Joe Albano <joea@...>


>The latest version of Stuffit Expander (7.0.1) decompressed both the zip
>archive and the enclosed .rar with no problems..

It handles standard .rar files no problem, but there are some .exe 
.rar files - presumably self-extracting if you're running Windows, 
because .exe means it's a program - that require the macpar decoder. 
It's free, but it only runs under OS X.
-- 

Nick Batzdorf
818/905-9101, fax -5434, cell 818/601-4874