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If I sample sounds of a softsynth (Pr052,VB1 or something similar),
are these samples my samples or do the rights belong to Steinberg or 
Native-instruments?! I´m really not shure about it. Does anyone know?
Greetings Dirk

>If I sample sounds of a softsynth (Pr052,VB1 or something similar),
>are these samples my samples or do the rights belong to Steinberg or 
>Native-instruments?! I´m really not shure about it. Does anyone know?

Yet another twist in this copyright discussion :-)

I _think_ for all non-sample based softsynths the samples are yours.

For sample based softsynths (and hardsynths likewise) it probably
depends on wether those sampled samples are "different enough"
(whatever that means) to not be the original stuff.

In that context sampling of simple sampleplayback probably would
count as resampling and IMO should be forbidden. It certainly is
highly questionable from a morale point of view.

Best,
Michael
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With decreasing interest I've been following the ongoing debate 
about copyrights, samples and now even synths.

As to the legal side of things: it's very very simple, nobody may 
use somebody elses creative work to be part of their own without 
the permission of the original creator. If you buy a sampleCD, in 
99% of the cases these days you are given the license to use the 
samples to your liking in a creative way. If you make a bzzlion 
dollars off of it, good for you, but as long as you've paid for the 
sampleCD and thus been given the license, nobody can 
demand from you to give any credit to the makers of the sample 
you use.
(Trust me, I've seen these things in front of a judge more than 
once...)

Synths are a different story; you buy the synth, you may use the 
presets, it's as simple as that. The day Roland will ask for 
crediting in their manuals (or any other of the big synthbrands 
obviously) I'm outta here. (Howcome you think every 
synthmodule on the planet originated in the nineties have 
samples onboard coming from the TR series? Cause no law 
prevented them...)

I remember a few years back I came across a pretty good 
sampleCD containing drumloops. After I bought it I found a note 
in the booklet about I think two or three loops that COULD NOT 
BE USED cause the makers wanted to use those THEMSELVES 
in future-productions!! (You can imagine the piss coming from 
every imaginable hole in my body...)
So..be sure to check whether such things are mentioned in the 
manual/booklet before you buy!

To wrap it up, some five years back I wrote to BigFishAudio and 
Zero-G that some of their CD's contained a good deal of my 
drumloops, I never got any answer.

Can we leave this now and get back to the EXS24..?
Why do some samples click when I use the tune/transpose 
dials..?
O.








--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Gerdau" 
<mgd@t...> wrote:
> >If I sample sounds of a softsynth (Pr052,VB1 or something 
similar),
> >are these samples my samples or do the rights belong to 
Steinberg or 
> >Native-instruments?! I´m really not shure about it. Does 
anyone know?
> 
> Yet another twist in this copyright discussion :-)
> 
> I _think_ for all non-sample based softsynths the samples are 
yours.
> 
> For sample based softsynths (and hardsynths likewise) it 
probably
> depends on wether those sampled samples are "different 
enough"
> (whatever that means) to not be the original stuff.
> 
> In that context sampling of simple sampleplayback probably 
would
> count as resampling and IMO should be forbidden. It certainly 
is

> highly questionable from a morale point of view.
> 
> Best,
> Michael
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No, they are not yours and the rights are reserved by by author.

> If I sample sounds of a softsynth (Pr052,VB1 or something similar),
> are these samples my samples or do the rights belong to Steinberg or
> Native-instruments?! I´m really not shure about it. Does anyone know?
> Greetings Dirk
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Woops, what I should have said is you can samples loops of what you create,
but you can't release the default patches. It has been stated on this list
very clearly in the past that these sounds are protected. -Jer

>> If I sample sounds of a softsynth (Pr052,VB1 or something similar),
>> are these samples my samples or do the rights belong to Steinberg or
>> Native-instruments?! I´m really not shure about it. Does anyone know?