EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Hi,

as I am thinking of buying a DP Mac, i had a question about 
following. 

As I use the Mac only for music apps, I will have a lot of space left 
on the internal hard drive (120Gb). Is it wise to store my samples 
(mainly from libraries, which I hardly ever edit) on this drive? 

I'm also asking this because up to now I use 4.8 and from what I 
understand with vs. 5 it's possible to stream samples (so i guess 
this means heavier strength on the drive).

Thanks in advance,
Ewald

At 01:28 PM 1/15/03 +0000, you wrote: 
>
> As I use the Mac only for music apps, I will have a lot of space left 
> on the internal hard drive (120Gb). Is it wise to store my samples 
> (mainly from libraries, which I hardly ever edit) on this drive? 



I have done this myself and had no problems so far on WinXP. 

Spreading the load over multiple drives and having the drives on different ATA
ports will give you more disc I/O headroom -- more voices for EXS24 or Kontact
which will soon support streaming and more audio tracks.  

One caveat -- drives that are worked hard are probably more likely to fail so
there is more chance that your system drive will fall over if it is doing
double duty. 

One strategy is to have a separate samples partition on the system drive. The
system partition is less likely to be corrupted but modern file systems (NTFS
for WinXP and the new file system for OSX) have journalling and are much more
robust than in the past. This will not stop your system drive from wearing out
faster from all the seeks but the proportion of drives that would fail for this
reason during the life of a machine is probably pretty small.

Regards,
Murray

Ideally, you'd have a dedicated drive for sample storage, especially if
you're going to use the streaming feature. I deactivated streaming after
performance on my system drive was negatively impacted by moderate usage.

> Hi,
> 
> as I am thinking of buying a DP Mac, i had a question about
> following. 
> 
> As I use the Mac only for music apps, I will have a lot of space left
> on the internal hard drive (120Gb). Is it wise to store my samples
> (mainly from libraries, which I hardly ever edit) on this drive?
> 
> I'm also asking this because up to now I use 4.8 and from what I
> understand with vs. 5 it's possible to stream samples (so i guess
> this means heavier strength on the drive).
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Ewald
> 
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Actually, that's a crucial point. I should have mentioned that they have to
be on a different ATA bus.

> having the drives on different ATA
> ports

Jer wrote: 
>
> Actually, that's a crucial point. I should have mentioned that they have to
> be on a different ATA bus.
>
> > having the drives on different ATA
> > ports


Actually I have a query about this too.  My understanding is that because of 
patents (Nemesys licenced them for sample streaming in Gigasampler) Emagic was
unable to call their sample streaming 'sample streaming" even though audio
streaming is exactly what the hard-disc recording and playback part of Logic
does. They call it virtual memory -- what I would like to know is whether the
samples are streamed from the location you have installed them on your audio
drive (the logical place) or whether they are streamed from a buffer in the
swap file of somthing -- like other virtual memory works. 

I suspect that it is the former  -- especially due to the speed with which
large instruments load but if it is the latter that would have a lot of bearing
on this subject. Anybody know for certain either way?

Regards,
Murray

My understanding is that it is direct-from-disc (the former).

> I suspect that it is the former  -- especially due to the speed with which
> large instruments load but if it is the latter that would have a lot of
> bearing
> on this subject. Anybody know for certain either way?

From: "ewald_kegel <ekegel@...>" <ekegel@...>

>As I use the Mac only for music apps, I will have a lot of space left
>on the internal hard drive (120Gb). Is it wise to store my samples
>(mainly from libraries, which I hardly ever edit) on this drive?

Wise or unwise, that's what I do (on a separate partition), and I run 
a $#!+load of voices - like over 200, although they're not all 
streaming. On one cue I have 16 soft samplers - EXS24s, Halions, and 
Soft SampleCells - playing at least 25 different programs...plus an 
Access Virus TDM and an EVP88. The computer is perfectly happy with 
that. Maybe the large orchestral libraries will break the camel's 
back when they come out in EXS format, but for mortal libraries it 
works fine.

Chances are the performance would be better with the samples on a 
dedicated SCSI drive, but I couldn't be bothered.
-- 

Nick Batzdorf
818/905-9101, fax -5434, cell 818/601-4874