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Re: [exs] guitar libraries

2003-02-08 by Micke Nilsson

The Hans Zimmer ones are great!! mn



>From: Julie Larson <julielarson@...>
>Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [exs] guitar libraries
>Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 19:37:23 -0600
>
>Hi all,
>I'm curious...does anyone have any opinions about guitar libaries.  I'm
>looking for a good one. I know...not many people would say that they're
>looking for a bad one...but I really am looking for realism here.
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Julie Larson
>www.julielarson.net
>


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Re: [exs] guitar libraries

2003-02-08 by Cyril Blanc

On 2/8/03 6:55, "Micke Nilsson" <mickenilsson@...> wrote:

> The Hans Zimmer ones are great!! mn
> 
> 
> 
>> >From: Julie Larson <julielarson@...>
>> >Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>> >To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>> >Subject: [exs] guitar libraries
>> >Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 19:37:23 -0600
>> >
>> >Hi all,
>> >I'm curious...does anyone have any opinions about guitar libaries.  I'm
>> >looking for a good one. I know...not many people would say that they're
>> >looking for a bad one...but I really am looking for realism here.
>> >Thanks in advance.
>> >
> /> .

Did you try Virtual Guitarist ?

Cyril Blanc
France

The box said "Use Windows 95 or better" so I got a Macintosh




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Re: [exs] guitar libraries

2003-02-08 by Julie Larson

No...Virtual Guitarist is VST...and I don't have that option 
anymore...OSX and all.

regards
julie


On Saturday, February 8, 2003, at 01:02 AM, Cyril Blanc wrote:

> On 2/8/03 6:55, "Micke Nilsson" <mickenilsson@...> wrote:
>
> > The Hans Zimmer ones are great!! mn
> >
> >
> >
> >> >From: Julie Larson <julielarson@...>
> >> >Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> >> >To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> >> >Subject: [exs] guitar libraries
> >> >Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 19:37:23 -0600
> >> >
> >> >Hi all,
> >> >I'm curious...does anyone have any opinions about guitar 
> libaries.  I'm
> >> >looking for a good one. I know...not many people would say that 
> they're
> >> >looking for a bad one...but I really am looking for realism here.
> >> >Thanks in advance.
> >> >
> > /> .
>
> Did you try Virtual Guitarist ?
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> Cyril Blanc
> France
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Re: [exs] guitar libraries

2003-02-08 by Jer Olsen

Ugh, that barely qualifies as a library to me since it doesn't even span
more than a single octave. -Jer

> Did you try Virtual Guitarist ?

Re: [exs] guitar libraries

2003-02-10 by Nick Batzdorf

I wrote:

>  > It's [Virtual Guitarist] not a guitar library and isn't sold as 
>one. But I just don't
>  > understand why everyone disses it so much. It is what it is: a
>>  limited but useful guitar part generator.
>>
>>  I don't think its design is conducive to great art, but then you
>  > could say that of most products on the market.
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From: Jer Olsen <HELP@...>

>My point is it could have been far better with not much more effort,
>certainly not any more expertise. What they are charging is a complete
>rip-off unless you've got money to spare.

Fair enough, but I don't believe that's why most people dis it. 
People seem to think it's supposed to replace real guitars and are 
offended by that. I suppose that may be its intention, but I see it 
as an extra tool, not as a substitute.

>For me personally, the one-octave
>crap is unforgivable. If it works for you, great! I'm happy for you
>(seriously), but I think for anybody in search of a "virtual guitar" the
>instrument is completely laughable.

It's a matter of expectation. Again, I look at what it does rather 
than what it doesn't do. There's an application for basic root 
position chords.

>  I'm not saying the existing sounds suck,
>although their generic quality leaves passion to the wayside IMO.

I think that's the point. If I needed to come up with a generic 
country song, for example, it would work fine - at least for a 
writing mock-up. That's why I say its design isn't conducive to great 
art.

>What I am
>saying is that I still have to hire a session player and am out hundreds of
>dollars anyway (not really... I sold it).

No way is it going to take the place of a session player, if for no 
other reason than that it doesn't include single-note samples that 
let you play your own chords.

>Alas, I've beaten this dead horse
>to a pulp and I digress heavily. I just don't understand why anyone would be
>impressed with this, dare I say, instrument. Let me say this in closing. If
>it were at least 2-3 octaves of samples, I would have kept it. 11 keys is a
>joke if you ask me. It's like asking to play Mozart on a xylophone. Sure it
>sounds nice... to a point. -Jer

By "octaves" you mean you wish it had more chord variations, right? 
Because it uses one octave of the keyboard (and it wraps around when 
you go the the next octave) to trigger its chords. I agree that it 
would be nice if its harmonic vocabulary went beyond [I'm trying hard 
to think of the word for chords that stay within the major or minor 
mode - i.e. no secondary dominants, no altered extensions...and my 
mind's gone totally blank. Damn, this is frustrating!], but that 
would mean more samples.

*****

I have an obscure little MIDI controller called a Digitar in my 
closet, and this is inspiring me to think about maybe preparing to 
dust it off. It goes on your belt, and it has six short bars, 
simulating strings, that you strum. Here's a picture: 
http://www.mariniimport.com/digitar.htm

I'm starting to think that for strummed parts, this and a really good 
guitar library is the way to go. To avoid naffness you'd have to 
ignore the function that automatically arranges notes into guitar 
voicings, but the concept makes a lot of sense.
-- 

Nick Batzdorf
818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

Re: [exs] guitar libraries

2003-02-10 by Nick Batzdorf

P.S. The best acoustic guitar simulation I know of - and in fact some 
electric leads - is on the Yamaha VL1. Unfortunately, it only has 
2-note polyphony! But it's better than samples, because it responds 
like an acoustic instrument.
-- 

Nick Batzdorf
818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

Re: [exs] guitar libraries

2003-02-10 by Sascha Franck

Nick Batzdorf wrote:
 > I agree that it
> would be nice if its harmonic vocabulary went beyond [I'm trying hard
> to think of the word for chords that stay within the major or minor
> mode - i.e. no secondary dominants, no altered extensions...and my
> mind's gone totally blank. Damn, this is frustrating!], but that
> would mean more samples.

Well, I have no idea about the voicing structures Virtual Guitarist is using
(they may very well limit you), but in general chords can easily be expanded
by thinking in upper harmonic structures.
Example: C / A = Amin7. Cmaj7 / D = D7/9/13/sus4. Gmin/b5 / A = A7/b9/b13.
And so on...
So maybe it's just your brains harmonical vocabulary that needs to go
beyond?!?
No pun intended, btw!

Cheers,
Sascha

Re: [exs] guitar libraries

2003-02-10 by Jer Olsen

That's more or less what I meant. Technically it's not more chords, but
chords that dominate higher and lower octaves. When I first started toying
with the package, I couldn't believe the restriction of movement. I thought
I had to be doing something wrong... but I wasn't. -Jer
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> you go the the next octave) to trigger its chords. I agree that it
> would be nice if its harmonic vocabulary went beyond [I'm trying hard
> to think of the word for chords that stay within the major or minor
> mode - i.e. no secondary dominants, no altered extensions...and my
> mind's gone totally blank. Damn, this is frustrating!], but that
> would mean more samples.

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