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Hi All
         Has anyone had the chance to A/B these 2 ?  I'd be interested 
to hear peoples opinions on each title , as I'm not sure which one to 
buy , I've seen great reviews for each , I think the Bardstown has 4-5 
vel layers but the Grandioso has 16 vel layers per note so it would 
seem to be more realistic.
I'm after a very versatile piano thats both sweet, sensitive and 
lyrical but also  powerful with a rich bass register , presence in the 
mid range and sparkling highs. Which one do you think will deliver ?

Thanks in advance
Best Regards
Mike

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, miketimothy@m... wrote:
> Hi All
>          Has anyone had the chance to A/B these 2 ?
> Thanks in advance
> Best Regards
> Mike

Mike,
I've got the 290 and it sounds amazing!  I don't see 2 pianos on 
their site http://bardstownaudio.com - the only piano I see is the 
Imperial 290.  Am I missing something?
Armen

Armen
The Post Grandioso Bosendorfer 290 is by a different company, check it 
out at
http://www.postaudiomedia.com/producthtml/bosendorfer.html
  Do you find the Bardstown 290 versatile ?

On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 09:59  am, exs-users@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:

>
> Mike,
> I've got the 290 and it sounds amazing!  I don't see 2 pianos on
> their site http://bardstownaudio.com - the only piano I see is the
> Imperial 290.  Am I missing something?
> Armen
>

Mike,
I'm sorry.  I misunderstood when I saw "290."  I meant that have the 
Bardstown Audio Bosendorfer Imperial 290.

I find it versatile to the point that it's usable for pretty much all 
the acoustic piano stuff I need.  It's not too bright, and not too 
dark.  I just wish the EXS could handle more than 64 voices, because 
the layers in this particular sample REALLY eat up a lot of the 
voices.  I have to do some creative note-stretching in the Matrix 
window and and insert some sustain pedals to get around the lack of 
voices.

Armen

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, miketimothy@m... wrote:
> Armen
> The Post Grandioso Bosendorfer 290 is by a different company, check 
it 
> out at
> http://www.postaudiomedia.com/producthtml/bosendorfer.html
>   Do you find the Bardstown 290 versatile ?
> 
> On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 09:59  am, exs-
users@yahoogroups.com 

> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Mike,
> > I've got the 290 and it sounds amazing!  I don't see 2 pianos on
> > their site http://bardstownaudio.com - the only piano I see is the
> > Imperial 290.  Am I missing something?
> > Armen
> >

Hi All
         Has anyone had the chance to A/B these 2 ?  I'd be interested 
to hear peoples opinions on each title , as I'm not sure which one to 
buy , I've seen great reviews for each , I think the Bardstown has 4-5 
vel layers but the Grandioso has 16 vel layers per note so it would 
seem to be more realistic.
I'm after a very versatile piano thats both sweet, sensitive and 
lyrical but also  powerful with a rich bass register , presence in the 
mid range and sparkling highs. Which one do you think will deliver ?

Thanks in advance
Best Regards
Mike

Ditto. Splendid Grand is good, but doesn't cut the mustard for realism for
me (unless it's pumped through an Altiverb European cathedral). I'm looking
for the same ultimate piano. -Jer

> Hi All
>          Has anyone had the chance to A/B these 2 ?  I'd be interested
> to hear peoples opinions on each title , as I'm not sure which one to
> buy , I've seen great reviews for each , I think the Bardstown has 4-5
> vel layers but the Grandioso has 16 vel layers per note so it would
> seem to be more realistic.
> I'm after a very versatile piano thats both sweet, sensitive and
> lyrical but also  powerful with a rich bass register , presence in the
> mid range and sparkling highs. Which one do you think will deliver ?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> Best Regards
> Mike
> 
> 
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--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Jer Olsen <HELP@M...> wrote:

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> I'm after a very versatile piano thats both sweet, sensitive and
> lyrical but also powerful with a rich bass register , presence in 
the
> mid range and sparkling highs. Which one do you think will 
deliver ?

Beware other people's recommendations, you have to try it. One 
person's "sparkling" is another's "jangly". The top end of a sampled 
grand is the holy grail. I spent money on "The Grand" only to end up 
with something inferior to Splendid Grand because the top is so 
brittle and useless in a mix. Splendid Grand is pretty good in a 
mix, but I think not so nice for a piano player to play.

PT

www.petethomas.co.uk

Agreed. -Jer (I have The Grand also, but don't use it).

> Beware other people's recommendations, you have to try it. One
> person's "sparkling" is another's "jangly". The top end of a sampled
> grand is the holy grail. I spent money on "The Grand" only to end up
> with something inferior to Splendid Grand because the top is so
> brittle and useless in a mix. Splendid Grand is pretty good in a
> mix, but I think not so nice for a piano player to play.




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> Beware other people's recommendations, you have to try it. One
> person's "sparkling" is another's "jangly". The top end of a sampled
> grand is the holy grail. I spent money on "The Grand" only to end up
> with something inferior to Splendid Grand because the top is so
> brittle and useless in a mix. Splendid Grand is pretty good in a
> mix, but I think not so nice for a piano player to play.

I agree, moreover they were not recorder with the same mic position which
gives different results for a mix. Some pianos were recorded with a pianist
perspective, one mic on the left and one on the right, the result is that it
is satisfying for a pianist because it will give him the same kind of sound
as he was playing on a real piano. But when you want to include that piano
in a mix then you will be disappointed because usually a piano is never
recorded that way in a studio. Your mix will not sound like with a real
piano because your ear is used to hear a different kind of mic positionning.
A good mic positionning for a mix on the other end will not satisfy a piano
player.
Anyway I think it's difficult to have a sampled piano very good for a mix
and very nice for a piano player to play.
There is a web site where you can listen to the same midi file rendered by
different sampled pianos: http://www.gigfiles.com

Bernard