EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

sorry guys, I got in on this one late and need to answer this garbage,
please delete if you aren't interested:

I wrote:
>> I have experienced and appreciate Academia, but I find Nick's statement
>> childish. "Timing is _the_ carrier of musical emotion". That sounds
>> like a bunch of over thinking music teachers sitting around getting paid to
>> think up definitive statements to rationalize why no one dances at their
>> concerts. There is a difference between thoughtful and anal-retentive, Nick.
> 
Nick Mulder wrote:
> Damn, there goes the foundation of my world..
> 
> And I'm *not* an academic.

you teach at a music conservatory and you're not an academic? Interesting, I
hope that's really true. Are you trying to say a statement like "Timing is
_the_ carrier of musical emotion" is not based in pure academia? who cares
what the carrier of musical emotion is, as long as the music moves you. You
gonna try and analyze an un-namble and highly personal force? Boring. Do you
even play an instrument? Is there a site I can download your performance
genius from so I can make fun of your performance like you did to Henrik?
no? ya, I didn't think you had the balls to back up your claims of
intellectual superiority.

I wrote:
>> If a performer makes you feel something through their performance,
>> there is emotion in their music... *for you*.
> 
Nick Mulder wrote:
> Ow, just for me? Oh really? Ow, how nice!! (butterflies, flowers,
> puppies in slowmotion)

jeez, you are really a mean guy aren't you? so, you didn't understand the
statement? You need clarification? I guess when you can't understand a point
you tend to try and belittle it with arrogant meaningless statements.
> 
I wrote:
>> For someone else it might not be the
>> same.
> 
Nick Mulder wrote:
> okokok, its this: You couple a period of your life to a certain kind of
> music that will envoke the emotional state in which you lived in that
> period.
> 
> Hearing the Doors makes me giggle for instance. Hearing Prince makes me
> going through puberty again.=)

good, you recognize something is happening besides timing to create emotion
then? there must be some chemicals still floating around inside you despite
your brain trying to reduce them to sarcastic rationalizations of your own
insecurity? What about music you hear NOW? Or don't you academics listen to
music made NOW anymore? That's been a constant in music education. The
mediocre musician gets a teaching job cause he can't get a gig. Stops
growing musically. Think he or she has the right to judge young people's
more modern modes of expression and discourages them from surpassing the
teacher. Brilliant. If I was a teacher my main goal would be to get the
student to be better than me as soon as possible. But that's just what I
demanded for my money  from my own teachers, certainly not a real world
rule.
> 
I wrote:
>> I think it is subjective and there is no standard of what makes
>> emotion in music.
> 
Nick Mulder wrote:
> Erm, well, I did enough damage for today, so maybe later we...?

What? are you scared to say what you think determines emotion in music now?
Or is it that you really don't know? go ahead try and do some damage... I
dare you!
> 
I wrote:
>> Intellectualizing music is fine (necessary?) for learning how to play,
>> but it is hardly ever helpful in getting musicians to learn how to feel.
> 
Nick Mulder wrote:
> It gives some insight in how other people (composers) felt and
> translated that into music.

Intellectualizing music gives you insight into how another
performer/composer feels???

you must be kidding.

I can see how internalizing a piece of music and actually playing it and
feeling how the music moves could alert you to how a composer feels. Pure
intellectualizing, without physical playing, is only a pathway to
understanding the tools of the trade, not feelings.

I wrote:
>> By the way... I get paid to perform, not teach or explain or talk.
> 
Nick Mulder wrote:
> Whohoo! a freebee!

being a sarcasticrat will not get you any respect from me. I guess we know
when you're beat. You run out of answers.
> 
I wrote:
>> I am, however, available for lectures in the Netherlands to enlighten the
>> cold, sad music teachers who have been teaching music backwards for
>> centuries and feel the need to clog internet lists with their own irrelevant
>> opinions. I am however, not inexpensive.
> 
Nick Mulder wrote:
> But you have such a cute name. It will do wonders on billboards around
> my school.

Thank you, I think my name is cute too.
I dare you to invite me to do a lecture at your school! I think you are too
scared to hear what anyone in the real world has to say. I'm sure your
students would benefit from my lecture more than one from you with your
closed mind. On top of that I can't imagine you would have any say so as to
who lectures at your school with such a condescending attitude. you must be
a teaching assistant or a janitor who plays bad guitar.

oh and if your students hear what I have to say about music education... .
They will realize they are wasting their money and time listening to bozos
like yourself spout theories that have no basis in reality except the
reality of an ill conceived tradition and accompanying insecurities of music
being taught by people who can't even play it. Your sarcastic/mean tone
belies your total lack of security in your own theories and therefore
discredits any validity your arguments or lame sarcasm may have.

teddybut 


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