EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Deep!

You're making me think that I _have_ to get ReCycle after all... That's a 
lot of loops to edit, however. I bet ya BT already had them ReCycled, so 
that they can all be sample accurate. Too bad we don't get them like that 
upon purchase... :-(

BTW, I'm glad people are chiming in - I'd hate to come off as a spammer for 
East-West or something! This really is dynamite stuff.

Ned

Alex Gibson wrote:
> I've got just about the entire CD rex'd and added into my EXS
> library. It works great for cutting up material on the fly :-)




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       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

Maybe you won't have to get recycle after all Ned, I hear Bitshift 
are working out a deal with emagic that will let you save .exs files 
from within Phatmatik - or so i hear...

But still, recycle is one hell of a tool - i've made tons of individual 
hits with it using Breaks from the Nu Skool :-)

Glad to hear you are enjoying the CD as much as i do!

>I bet ya BT already had them ReCycled, so
>that they can all be sample accurate. Too bad we don't get them like that
>upon purchase... :-(

Ned,

When BT talked about "fixing" the audio, is he talking about recycling and 
then quantizing or is he talking about doing strip silence in Logic and 
then quantizing/moving regions around (I know, similar...).

It sounds like he is using Logic's audio editor???? Here's an excerpt from 
his page:

"he used Logic Audio's built-in audio editor to perform surgery on the drum 
patterns. He tweaked every peak, such as the kick and clap transients, to 
play exactly on the beat, thus making the loops sample accurate-a process 
that involved some time stretching (the process of speeding up or slowing 
down a sound without altering its pitch) and cutting of segments 
surrounding the waveform peaks. "

Anyway, any ideas?


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Aron,

aron wrote:
 > "he used Logic Audio's built-in audio editor to perform surgery on the drum
 > patterns...

Well, that would seem to answer that question... except that if you read 
the notes in the booklet, you'll find this:

Programs and equipment used: KYMA, Logic Audio[...] Acid, Reason, 
ReCycle... [etc].

I, for one, would not use Logic's built-in editor alone for this kind of 
work, if only because it only has one level of undo, and edits performed 
there are destructive.

Anyhow, regardless of how BT did it, you too can work your loops to 
perfection... if you have the discipline!

Ned



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       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

At 10:45 AM 6/27/2003, you wrote:
>I, for one, would not use Logic's built-in editor alone for this kind of
>work, if only because it only has one level of undo, and edits performed
>there are destructive.

I guess that was my point. Working in that edit window is painful! I don't 
see how he does it.

The only thing I can imagine is that he recycles, then edits each region 
start time.

That's the only think I can imagine!

Now where does he find the time to do all of those things he does!

Aron 


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on 6/28/03 2:33 PM, Eli Krantzberg at elik@... wrote:

Mike Auty wrote:
> What's the difference between the audio and akai versions of this?
> Since they are just loops, why would the mapping make much of a
> difference, ie: a 100 dollar difference?

I was wondering the same thing??


I would guess it's to do with "groove control."  Probably the Akai version
has each beat mapped to a key.  You then import the sequence for that groove
into the sequencer, and when you play it back on the Akai channel, the
groove plays correctly at the speed of your sequencer - any speed within
reason.  Something like Recycle.  Actually, exactly like Recycle.  The extra
$100 is probably for the effort to break all the grooves out into a Recycle
or Groove Control format.

James 


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Mike Auty wrote:
> What's the difference between the audio and akai versions of this?  
> Since they are just loops, why would the mapping make much of a 
> difference, ie: a 100 dollar difference?

I was wondering the same thing??


-- 
Eli Krantzberg
Nightshift Orchestra / Almat Productions
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com

Sorry to dissapoint you James (and others), but no, the AKAI version of 
Beatz certainly does not have a sliced-up version of the beats. AFAIK, the 
audio and AKAI are the same, only the AKAI is mapped out. Someone with the 
hande Ed has asked this very same question to Doug Rogers (head of 
East-West) on the East-West Forum of the excellent Northern Sounds sample 
discussion web site. You can follow the thread here:

http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=24;t=000251

BTW, Groove Control is only used in Spectrasonics products, like BackBeat, 
Retro-Funk and Stylus...

Ned

James Ryan wrote:
> I would guess it's to do with "groove control."  Probably the Akai version
> has each beat mapped to a key.  You then import the sequence for that groove
> into the sequencer, and when you play it back on the Akai channel, the
> groove plays correctly at the speed of your sequencer - any speed within
> reason.  Something like Recycle.  Actually, exactly like Recycle.  The extra
> $100 is probably for the effort to break all the grooves out into a Recycle
> or Groove Control format.




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       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

Well then...doesn't seem worth it does it!  Go for the audio version and
slice and dice in Recycle.  What a waste of time!  You'd think BT would have
been on top of this.  Check out some of the Skippy's stuff on Spectrasonics
site.  Excellent grooves, nicely sliced with Groove Control and you can
reshuffle the beats any way you like to create new grooves.  I've done a few
movie cues where I just took the groove control version of one of his beats
and created an entire new bizarre sequence at a totally different tempo.
Great system.

James

on 6/28/03 4:20 PM, Ned Bouhalassa at ned@... wrote:

Sorry to dissapoint you James (and others), but no, the AKAI version of
Beatz certainly does not have a sliced-up version of the beats. AFAIK, the
audio and AKAI are the same, only the AKAI is mapped out. Someone with the
hande Ed has asked this very same question to Doug Rogers (head of
East-West) on the East-West Forum of the excellent Northern Sounds sample
discussion web site. You can follow the thread here:

http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=24;t
=000251

BTW, Groove Control is only used in Spectrasonics products, like BackBeat,
Retro-Funk and Stylus...

Ned

James Ryan wrote:
> I would guess it's to do with "groove control."  Probably the Akai version
> has each beat mapped to a key.  You then import the sequence for that groove
> into the sequencer, and when you play it back on the Akai channel, the
> groove plays correctly at the speed of your sequencer - any speed within
> reason.  Something like Recycle.  Actually, exactly like Recycle.  The extra
> $100 is probably for the effort to break all the grooves out into a Recycle
> or Groove Control format.





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Don't assume that, it  does not mention Groove Control anywhere, and this 
being a technology belonging to Spectrasonics, I doubt he could sell it without 
being a different name unless he licensed it.