EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

I posted this at the LUG, but nobody heard me. Just putting it here 
to see if I can get some help.

Mark


Hi gang,
I am getting the weirdest behavior in the project manager. 

My file structure is such. I have 3 physical drives. 
One holds my OS and logic. It's divided into 3 partitions: 10gig for 
os 9.22, 10gig for os 10.2.6 and 35gig for storage.
The other two are 120gig drives, one holding my vocals, and the other 
stores my samples. (exs, stylus, sampletank, etc.)

So last night I decided that I was going to do some maintenance and 
file management, since i have a best friend who has no idea what a 
file structure is.... (put the vocals on the vocal drive inside a 
dedicated folder please!)

Anyway as I was scanning my EXSamples directory (absolutely huge, 
mostly giga and soundfont samples) and PM froze. So I rebooted the 
computer and tried again. So i noticed that it was happening in the 
same vicinity of the file structure. So I began to do some folder 
scans. To make a long story short, there is a particular folder 
within my EXSamples folder that has about 600 some-odd folders within 
it. (it's called Old Soundfonts). When I scanned that folder, PM 
crashed upon reaching a folder called "ELECTRONIC DRUMS" (caps 
intentional). So, being the inquisitive jackoff I am :) I removed the 
folder to another physical drive and tried again (after rebooting). 
And whaddya know, It crashed again, but this time upon reaching the 
next heirarchichal subfolder, which is, appropriately 
enough, "Electronic Drumset". So I removed this folder and... well 
you get the point. All told, I applied this process four times with 
identical results, and every time PM crashed on the next folder.

I am at a total loss. Also, in the past, when I tried to scan the 
Sampler Instruments folder, PM would crash midway through the drums 
subfolder. But I never really took notice, I just worked around it, 
but I thought I would mention it.

As I am pretty confident that PM is not biased against the TR808 and 
909 (and 606 and CR78......) I am totally mistified by this 
occurence. And I know its not the number of folders within the 
directory because I have other directories with more subfolders and 
samples, (one called Soundfonts and the other, Giga) that scan just 
fine.

Anyhow, this is a big mess since I am always rearranging my file 
structure (at least once per quarter) and exs is always looking for 
files.

Any ideas?

G4733 Quicksilver
OS 9.22, 10.2.6
Logic 6.1.0 running on 9.22
300GB HDD space
640MB RAM
Delta 66/Omni Studio
OASYS PCI
NVidia Geforce4 Dual head
etc
etc
etc

(BTW The 3 drives are connected to the internal busses on the 
motherboard. I had a SIIG RAID card (ATA/133) but it was causing 
clicks and distortion with my Delta66. The system drive is slaved to 
the burner. The vocal drive is slaved to the sample drive)

sorry if i can't help you, other than telling that the PM _ALLWAYS_ freezes
my mac. and there for i cant use it at all.
from what i read here and elsewhere i guess i am missing some nice
functions. 
but the way the PM looks and feels on OS 9 its just not finished and
rediculus for a professional software in 2003.

doing a scan, some 30 minutes later it will just lock up my mac in the
middle of the process.

too bad.

but i am hoping someone knows a fix so i get this beast to work for me, as
it seems to do for everyone else (almost).

cheers,
ulf.

> I posted this at the LUG, but nobody heard me. Just putting it here
> to see if I can get some help.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> Hi gang,
> I am getting the weirdest behavior in the project manager.
> 
> My file structure is such. I have 3 physical drives.
> One holds my OS and logic. It's divided into 3 partitions: 10gig for
> os 9.22, 10gig for os 10.2.6 and 35gig for storage.
> The other two are 120gig drives, one holding my vocals, and the other
> stores my samples. (exs, stylus, sampletank, etc.)
> 
> So last night I decided that I was going to do some maintenance and
> file management, since i have a best friend who has no idea what a
> file structure is.... (put the vocals on the vocal drive inside a
> dedicated folder please!)
> 
> Anyway as I was scanning my EXSamples directory (absolutely huge,
> mostly giga and soundfont samples) and PM froze. So I rebooted the
> computer and tried again. So i noticed that it was happening in the
> same vicinity of the file structure. So I began to do some folder
> scans. To make a long story short, there is a particular folder
> within my EXSamples folder that has about 600 some-odd folders within
> it. (it's called Old Soundfonts). When I scanned that folder, PM
> crashed upon reaching a folder called "ELECTRONIC DRUMS" (caps
> intentional). So, being the inquisitive jackoff I am :) I removed the
> folder to another physical drive and tried again (after rebooting).
> And whaddya know, It crashed again, but this time upon reaching the
> next heirarchichal subfolder, which is, appropriately
> enough, "Electronic Drumset". So I removed this folder and... well
> you get the point. All told, I applied this process four times with
> identical results, and every time PM crashed on the next folder.
> 
> I am at a total loss. Also, in the past, when I tried to scan the
> Sampler Instruments folder, PM would crash midway through the drums
> subfolder. But I never really took notice, I just worked around it,
> but I thought I would mention it.
> 
> As I am pretty confident that PM is not biased against the TR808 and
> 909 (and 606 and CR78......) I am totally mistified by this
> occurence. And I know its not the number of folders within the
> directory because I have other directories with more subfolders and
> samples, (one called Soundfonts and the other, Giga) that scan just
> fine.
> 
> Anyhow, this is a big mess since I am always rearranging my file
> structure (at least once per quarter) and exs is always looking for
> files.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> G4733 Quicksilver
> OS 9.22, 10.2.6
> Logic 6.1.0 running on 9.22
> 300GB HDD space
> 640MB RAM
> Delta 66/Omni Studio
> OASYS PCI
> NVidia Geforce4 Dual head
> etc
> etc
> etc
> 
> (BTW The 3 drives are connected to the internal busses on the
> motherboard. I had a SIIG RAID card (ATA/133) but it was causing
> clicks and distortion with my Delta66. The system drive is slaved to
> the burner. The vocal drive is slaved to the sample drive)

Mark,

This may be stating the obvious but....how long did you wait? When I 
installed VSL, The PM had to do some serious scanning and on a few 
occasions, I thought it had crashed. It appeared to "lock" me out and 
seemed to be stuck, with no apparent progress bars or activity, but 
after walking away and returning some time later, it had finished its 
business and all was well.

One more thing - I found that moving into sub-folders and scanning 
only a few folders at a time helped too. Also, don't forget to <Save 
Project Manager data> each time, then at least you make some 
progress....

Hope this helps
Colin

Colin,
Thanks for the reply. I am more than sure its crashing because I can't even 
force quit Logic when it happens. The mouse remains active but I can't click 
it. I'll try subdividing the folders, as that may be the cure. But I can't 
understand why it'll successfully scan a folder with 1100 subfolders but 
crash every single time I try to scan a folder with 600 subfolders. 
Perplexing, to say the least.

Mark


>Subject: Re: Weird Repeatable Bug/Crash in Program Manager
>
>Mark,
>
>This may be stating the obvious but....how long did you wait? When I
>installed VSL, The PM had to do some serious scanning and on a few
>occasions, I thought it had crashed. It appeared to "lock" me out and
>seemed to be stuck, with no apparent progress bars or activity, but
>after walking away and returning some time later, it had finished its
>business and all was well.
>
>One more thing - I found that moving into sub-folders and scanning
>only a few folders at a time helped too. Also, don't forget to <Save
>Project Manager data> each time, then at least you make some
>progress....
>
>Hope this helps
>Colin
>

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