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>> Is there a way to import "Battery" drum Kits in EXS ?

> Awave Studio does it all! (for a PC)

Is there a way to import "Battery" drum Kits in EXS for Mac ?

I've searched the lists, and I still feel very unsure about how to manage
system memory.

Logic 5.5, OS 9, EXS24, Atmosphere, etc. on a powerbook 667 with 778 meg of
ram.

I have the preferred size for logic set to 200,000, and locked. But tonight
near the end of a project with maybe 5 exs instances open and one (big)
atmosphere instance, the program begin to move very ponderously. Took a look
and sure enough, the program had 360 some meg of memory, but the bar showed
that it was almost all used up.

Now. Isn't the program taking new memory every time I open a new exs
instance and load a sample? The only thing I have any control over is how
much memory to give it at boot up, no? And if I give it too much, there will
be less left over for samples, is that right? I don't know, couple that with
the fact that atmosphere draws it's sample memory from outside logic, from
the remaining free memory in the system, and I'm just pretty much thoroughly
confused about how much memory to give Logic in the first place.

Does it depend on what kind of softsynths I want to use per session? Should
I be tailoring the memory assigned to Logic per session? And if so, what
about in most cases where I don't know in advance what I'm going to be
using?

I know, I know, OS X. But I have to get through the next few months on OS 9
still. Can anyone shed some wisdom?

Cheers! 

Darcy

On samedi, aoû 23, 2003, at 05:29 Europe/Paris, Darcy Phillips wrote:

> I've searched the lists, and I still feel very unsure about how to 
> manage
> system memory.
>
> Logic 5.5, OS 9, EXS24, Atmosphere, etc. on a powerbook 667 with 778 
> meg of
> ram.
>
> I know, I know, OS X. But I have to get through the next few months on 
> OS 9
> still. Can anyone shed some wisdom?
>
>
Give logic lots of memory!  You have enough to spare.


Logic 5.5 + EXS 24 + Atmosphere all work in os X!

Regards



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On a fine day, 22-08-2003, Darcy Phillips wrote:

>Logic 5.5, OS 9, EXS24, Atmosphere, etc. on a powerbook 667 with 778 meg of
>ram.
>I have the preferred size for logic set to 200,000, and locked.
[...]
>I'm just pretty much thoroughly
>confused about how much memory to give Logic in the first place.

Your 200 MB seems a reasonable figure.  Indeed in most cases samples 
for virtual instruments are loaded in memory _not_ assigned to Logic 
directly, so if you gave Logic e.g. 95% of your available memory, you 
would surely run into trouble.  Some things however do use Logic's 
own memory -- the LM4 drum machine is an example of this, and won't 
be able to load all its samples if Logic has too little memory. 
Those plug-ins are the exception rather than the rule though.

Most people on the LUG seem to agree (and have agreed in the past) 
that something around 200 MB should work in almost all cases. If it 
really doesn't work, try increasing memory to e.g. 250 MB and see if 
it works now.  Etc.  Experiment a bit -- even though the memory 
settings really aren't that critical.  My LAP6.1 is set to 150 MB on 
a 500 MB machine, and works without problems.  There's no need to 
change the mem-assignment individually for each session -- not at 
all, in fact.  Just find something that works and leave it there.

Also: turn on virtual memory in the EXS.  With big instruments you 
want the EXS to stream from disk instead of having it attempt (and 
fail :) to load all samples into RAM directly.

>But tonight near the end of a project with maybe 5 exs instances 
>open and one (big) atmosphere instance, the program begin to move 
>very ponderously. Took a look and sure enough, the program had 360 
>some meg of memory, but the bar showed that it was almost all used 
>up.

Simple test: open another complex Atmosphere instance and look at the 
mem-bar again: has it grown?  If yes, then Logic apparently grabs 
free memory when needed, and you needn't worry about the bar showing 
memory being all used up.  I'm not entirely sure what you mean by 
"move very ponderously" though.  If you're talking about real 
movement, of e.g. the SPL, then that's more a of a CPU problem than a 
RAM problem.  As long as the song plays without overloads or other 
errors, I wouldn't worry.

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

>Logic 5.5, OS 9, EXS24, Atmosphere, etc. on a powerbook 667 with 778 meg of
>ram.
>
>I have the preferred size for logic set to 200,000, and locked. But tonight
>near the end of a project with maybe 5 exs instances open and one (big)
>atmosphere instance, the program begin to move very ponderously. Took a look
>and sure enough, the program had 360 some meg of memory, but the bar showed
>that it was almost all used up.
>
>Now. Isn't the program taking new memory every time I open a new exs
>instance and load a sample? The only thing I have any control over is how
>much memory to give it at boot up, no? And if I give it too much, there will
>be less left over for samples, is that right? I don't know, couple that with
>the fact that atmosphere draws it's sample memory from outside logic, from
>the remaining free memory in the system, and I'm just pretty much thoroughly
>confused about how much memory to give Logic in the first place.

The Atmosphere manual says that up to 8 instances of Spectrasonics 
plugins need 100Mb of extra memory in the host program. So, you're 
probably okay there, but could experiment with maybe another 50-100 
Mb for Logic before you launch it. Do you have virtual memory 
switched on in EXS24? (I can't remember when that became a part of 
EXS24. )

>Does it depend on what kind of softsynths I want to use per session? Should
>I be tailoring the memory assigned to Logic per session? And if so, what
>about in most cases where I don't know in advance what I'm going to be
>using?

For me, the answer would be to get some more RAM. I believe that in 
these days of software samplers and synths, at least 1Gb is a 
minimum, and more is better. Obviously you can get by on less, but 
it's like cramming to many passengers into a small car!

Basically, I don't believe you're doing anything wrong......just 
drive carefully.  :-)

Regards - Colin

Emagic Tech Support reccommends 500 meg if you have that much in the computer.  Logic will grab extra if it's there, but only to a point.  500 assures you'll be good for as much as OS9 will allow.  I did that and haven't had any problems since.  I do however, have 1.5 gig in my G4.  Not sure if that's a significant factor.  Keep in mind that once you set the 500 mark, that memory will no longer be available to other apps even if Logic isn't using all of it at the moment.

James

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Darcy Phillips 
  To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 11:29 PM
  Subject: [EXS] Memory management- mac


  I've searched the lists, and I still feel very unsure about how to manage
  system memory.

  Logic 5.5, OS 9, EXS24, Atmosphere, etc. on a powerbook 667 with 778 meg of
  ram.

  I have the preferred size for logic set to 200,000, and locked. But tonight
  near the end of a project with maybe 5 exs instances open and one (big)
  atmosphere instance, the program begin to move very ponderously. Took a look
  and sure enough, the program had 360 some meg of memory, but the bar showed
  that it was almost all used up.

  Now. Isn't the program taking new memory every time I open a new exs
  instance and load a sample? The only thing I have any control over is how
  much memory to give it at boot up, no? And if I give it too much, there will
  be less left over for samples, is that right? I don't know, couple that with
  the fact that atmosphere draws it's sample memory from outside logic, from
  the remaining free memory in the system, and I'm just pretty much thoroughly
  confused about how much memory to give Logic in the first place.

  Does it depend on what kind of softsynths I want to use per session? Should
  I be tailoring the memory assigned to Logic per session? And if so, what
  about in most cases where I don't know in advance what I'm going to be
  using?

  I know, I know, OS X. But I have to get through the next few months on OS 9
  still. Can anyone shed some wisdom?

  Cheers! 

  Darcy 

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Hi everyone!

I just bought a CD ROM (the Dance Mega Drums 2) with AKAI support. I launch
the AKAI convert and insert the CD but my mac just spits it out! What's
wrong?

/Andreas

> I just bought a CD ROM (the Dance Mega Drums 2) with AKAI support. I launch
> the AKAI convert and insert the CD but my mac just spits it out! What's
> wrong?

What do you mean by "Mac"..?  G3/G4/G5, how much RAM, what OS version,
what program and version you are using??

If you are using OSX then the problem is that Akai have not yet written
the drivers to allow OSX to mount Akai volumes.  Try OS9.

Neil

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THis has happened to me before with a CDROM that also has audio files on it (mixed media CDROM).  There's a fix somewhere out there --  I just don't remember what it was!  I'm sure someone will post it again... maybe Garth, at Chickensys??

Kerry

Sorry!

I have G4/400 448MB RAM OS 9.2, using Logic 5.5.0 and EXS24 and XSKey. I
have experienced this problem before.

Andreas



> I just bought a CD ROM (the Dance Mega Drums 2) with AKAI support. I launch
> the AKAI convert and insert the CD but my mac just spits it out! What's
> wrong?

What do you mean by "Mac"..?  G3/G4/G5, how much RAM, what OS version,
what program and version you are using??

If you are using OSX then the problem is that Akai have not yet written
the drivers to allow OSX to mount Akai volumes.  Try OS9.

Neil

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At 05:59 PM 8/25/03 -0400, you wrote:
>THis has happened to me before with a CDROM that also has audio files on 
>it (mixed media CDROM).  There's a fix somewhere out there --  I just 
>don't remember what it was!  I'm sure someone will post it again... maybe 
>Garth, at Chickensys??

Check out the FAQ at the bottom of the page, it has the story on mixed-mode 
CD's (once upon a time)...

There's other great stuff in tar hills

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

Sam here,
 I sometimes get this message- Error synchronizing audio and midi. I tried every single different option in The Synchronization tab and I still "sometimes get this messaGE. i ALSO SHORTENED THE TRACKS BY CUTTING THEM INTO 2 OR 3 SEGMENTS. 
 aNY SUGGESTIONS. aLSO, ON THE SAME NOTE SHOULD i USE 27.97D OR 30 FRAME RATES IN nORTH AMERICA???
 mUCH OBLIGED

Garth Hjelte <garth@...> wrote:
At 05:59 PM 8/25/03 -0400, you wrote:
>THis has happened to me before with a CDROM that also has audio files on 
>it (mixed media CDROM).  There's a fix somewhere out there --  I just 
>don't remember what it was!  I'm sure someone will post it again... maybe 
>Garth, at Chickensys??

Check out the FAQ at the bottom of the page, it has the story on mixed-mode 
CD's (once upon a time)...

There's other great stuff in tar hills

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User


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Howdie,
Sometimes when I "first" open Logic 5.01 my computer crashes and I get a blue screen that cannot be read ( The screen is continuously "moving" from top to bottom) "Sometimes" the message has a the word VSM (virtual system memory??)- sometimes another mssage. Any ideas on a reason or a fix. 
thanks,
 Sam





 2) with AKAI support. I launch
> the AKAI convert and insert the CD but my mac just spits it out! What's
> wrong?

What do you mean by "Mac"..?  G3/G4/G5, how much RAM, what OS version,
what program and version you are using??

If you are using OSX then the problem is that Akai have not yet written
the drivers to allow OSX to mount Akai volumes.  Try OS9.

Neil

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Sam here,
I sometimes get this message- Error synchronizing audio and midi. I tried every single different option in The Synchronization tab and I still "sometimes get this messaGE. i ALSO SHORTENED THE TRACKS BY CUTTING THEM INTO 2 OR 3 SEGMENTS. 
aNY SUGGESTIONS. aLSO, ON THE SAME NOTE SHOULD i USE 27.97D OR 30 FRAME RATES IN nORTH AMERICA???
mUCH OBLIGED


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Hi Garth,
I tried to update Translator today...to 1.56.  The installation program 
asked what folder contained Translator...then it told me my file was 
invalid?  wasup?

Also...I just got Kirk Hunter's Solo String library...woah...it's cool. 
  but I tried to convert it to EXS with Translator...the version I used 
was 1.5.3....it wouldn't do it.  I could get as far as hitting the 
translate button, after assigning locations for programs and sample 
files, and it would just go back to translator window and sit 
there..."ready"  What could be wrong?  Thanks for the help...

julie

Sorry guys...I sent to the wrong address...