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Midi In Problems

Midi In Problems

2005-01-20 by christoph_heckmann2000

Hi,

maybe someone can help me out with this: I´m controlling up to eight 
MIDI-devices with my footcontroller (similar to GCX Ground Control 
Pro).

I chose MIDI-channel 7 on the GSP2101 but the GSP is not responding. 
I tried different MIDI-channels (1,2,3,..., ALL) without any luck.

Does anyone know what I´m doing wrong?!?!

I hope that the MIDI IN-jack´s not broken!

Thanks a lot!

Chris

Re: [gsp-2101] Midi In Problems

2005-01-20 by Graham Pearson

Hi Chris:
When "chaining" several MIDI devices together, make sure you use MIDI Thru on each device and not MIDI Out. The only exception to this rule is your pedal (or other MIDI controller), which needs to be at the start of your MIDI chain, of course. You should use MIDI Out on the controlling device.
If you use MIDI Out on a device, the MIDI signals transmitted by that device are susceptible to MIDI mapping by that device. MIDI mapping, for example, enables a device to receive a MIDI message on channel 1 and transmit it via MIDI Out on channel 2. Whereas MIDI Thru is supposed to duplicate exactly the messages arriving at MIDI In.
With this configuration, you should make sure that all devices in the chain are set to receive MIDI messages on the same channel.
Some controllers are capable of sending multiple MIDI messages, each on a separate MIDI channel, each time you step on a pedal or push a button. ; These introduce another level of complexity while allowing each device in the chain to respond to a different MIDI channel. However, if some device in the chain isn't responding, as in your case, it's best to stick to the single MIDI channel to begin with and shake down the problem before complicating the picture.
Let us know if this helps or not.
Best Regards,
Graham Pearson
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Hi,

maybe someone can help me out with this: I´m controlling up to eight
MIDI-devices with my footcontroller (similar to GCX Ground Control
Pro).

I chose MIDI-channel 7 on the GSP2101 but the GSP is not responding.
I tried different MIDI-channels (1,2,3,..., ALL) without any luck.

Does anyone know what I´m doing wrong?!?!

I hope that the MIDI IN-jack´s not broken!

Thanks a lot!

Chris

Re: [gsp-2101] Midi In Problems

2005-01-20 by Evan Myers

Another possibility is signal degradation at the end of the MIDI chain;
after 2-3 devices, the signal going through the "Thru" can begin to have
problems.

Easily solved by using a MIDI thru-box or patch bay (I do this with my set
up)

Foot controller out---->MIDI patch bay/thru box IN 1---> MIDI patch bay out
2---->Device 2 IN
---> MIDI patch bay out 3---->Device 3 IN
----> MIDI patch bay out 4---->Device 4 IN
                                    etc.

Somewhat analgous to the concept of running serial vs parallel effects.




"Graham Pearson" <gpearson@...> on 01/20/2005 08:04:42 AM

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Hi Chris:

When "chaining" several MIDI devices together, make  sure you use MIDI Thru
on each device and not MIDI Out.  The only exception  to this rule is your
pedal (or other MIDI controller), which needs to be at the  start of your
MIDI chain, of course.  You should use MIDI Out on the  controlling device.

If you use MIDI Out on a device, the MIDI signals  transmitted by that
device are susceptible to MIDI mapping by that device.   MIDI mapping, for
example, enables a device to receive a MIDI message on  channel 1 and
transmit it via MIDI Out on channel 2.  Whereas MIDI Thru is  supposed to
duplicate exactly the messages arriving at MIDI In.

With this configuration, you should make sure that  all devices in the
chain are set to receive MIDI messages on the same  channel.

Some controllers are capable of sending multiple  MIDI messages, each on a
separate MIDI channel, each time you step on a pedal or  push a button.
These introduce another level of complexity while allowing  each device in
the chain to respond to a different MIDI channel.  However,  if some device
in the chain isn't responding, as in your case, it's best to  stick to the
single MIDI channel to begin with and shake down the problem before
complicating the picture.

Let us know if this helps or not.
Best Regards,
Graham Pearson
----- Original Message -----
From:  christoph_heckmann2000
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:44  AM
Subject: [gsp-2101] Midi In  Problems


Hi,

maybe someone  can help me out with this: I´m controlling up to eight
MIDI-devices with  my footcontroller (similar to GCX Ground Control
Pro).

I chose  MIDI-channel 7 on the GSP2101 but the GSP is not responding.
I tried  different MIDI-channels (1,2,3,..., ALL) without any luck.

Does anyone  know what I´m doing wrong?!?!

I hope that the MIDI IN-jack´s not  broken!

Thanks a lot!

Chris


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Re: Midi In Problems

2005-01-20 by christoph_heckmann2000

I forgot to mention that I´m already using a MIDI-Thru-box. So this 
shouldn´t be a problem!

--- In gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com, Evan Myers <myers008@m...> wrote:
> Another possibility is signal degradation at the end of the MIDI 
chain;
> after 2-3 devices, the signal going through the "Thru" can begin 
to have
> problems.
> 
> Easily solved by using a MIDI thru-box or patch bay (I do this 
with my set
> up)
> 
> Foot controller out---->MIDI patch bay/thru box IN 1---> MIDI 
patch bay out
> 2---->Device 2 IN
> ---> MIDI patch bay out 3---->Device 3 IN
> ----> MIDI patch bay out 4---->Device 4 IN
>                                     etc.
> 
> Somewhat analgous to the concept of running serial vs parallel 
effects.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Graham Pearson" <gpearson@k...> on 01/20/2005 08:04:42 AM
> 
> Please respond to gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
> 
> To:    <gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com>
> cc:
> 
> Subject:    Re: [gsp-2101] Midi In Problems
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Chris:
> 
> When "chaining" several MIDI devices together, make  sure you use 
MIDI Thru
> on each device and not MIDI Out.  The only exception  to this rule 
is your
> pedal (or other MIDI controller), which needs to be at the  start 
of your
> MIDI chain, of course.  You should use MIDI Out on the  
controlling device.
> 
> If you use MIDI Out on a device, the MIDI signals  transmitted by 
that
> device are susceptible to MIDI mapping by that device.   MIDI 
mapping, for
> example, enables a device to receive a MIDI message on  channel 1 
and
> transmit it via MIDI Out on channel 2.  Whereas MIDI Thru is  
supposed to
> duplicate exactly the messages arriving at MIDI In.
> 
> With this configuration, you should make sure that  all devices in 
the
> chain are set to receive MIDI messages on the same  channel.
> 
> Some controllers are capable of sending multiple  MIDI messages, 
each on a
> separate MIDI channel, each time you step on a pedal or  push a 
button.
> These introduce another level of complexity while allowing  each 
device in
> the chain to respond to a different MIDI channel.  However,  if 
some device
> in the chain isn't responding, as in your case, it's best to  
stick to the
> single MIDI channel to begin with and shake down the problem before
> complicating the picture.
> 
> Let us know if this helps or not.
> Best Regards,
> Graham Pearson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:  christoph_heckmann2000
> To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:44  AM
> Subject: [gsp-2101] Midi In  Problems
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> maybe someone  can help me out with this: I´m controlling up to 
eight
> MIDI-devices with  my footcontroller (similar to GCX Ground Control
> Pro).
> 
> I chose  MIDI-channel 7 on the GSP2101 but the GSP is not 
responding.
> I tried  different MIDI-channels (1,2,3,..., ALL) without any luck.
> 
> Does anyone  know what I´m doing wrong?!?!
> 
> I hope that the MIDI IN-jack´s not  broken!
> 
> Thanks a lot!
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
>    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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