Korg Poly800/EX800 Users

>
> Well I got around to hooking up my HAWK up to a software midi CC.
> 
> I've tried both MidiJoys and Unicontrol (freeware).
> 
> 
> What happens is it controls STANDARD Midi CC's.. like #7 is Main Volume, #71 is Resonance, #74 is Filter Cutoff...
> 
> The CC's I set on the software does not match up to the CC's for the HAWKS parameters as shown in the Quick Reference pdf.
> 
> If I tried to use CC#24 on the software slider for the filter cutoff (Parameter P2 41), the HAWK would change Parameter 12 instead.  Plus it would show "CC 12 01" on the screen while I moved the software slider control (When I stop moving a slider, the "CC ** **" will change back to the previous display.), it will do this for#23 thru #30 incrementally.
> CC#30 from the software changes parameter 18.
> 
> It stops there, then when I use CC#31 it will show patch "11 *P".. the "*" will go up in value 1-8.
> 
> 
> 
> There's other odd things that happen as well.. but obviously the point is that I want to make CC#24 change the filter cutoff as stated in the Quick Reference sheet, CC#96 to adjust the Resonance Set Point...  as well as all the other CC's assigned to each and every single parameters in a single patch.
> 
> Is there a setting in the HAWK I need to change?
>

>
> Well I got around to hooking up my HAWK up to a software midi CC.
> 
> I've tried both MidiJoys and Unicontrol (freeware).
> 
> 
> What happens is it controls STANDARD Midi CC's.. like #7 is Main Volume, #71 is Resonance, #74 is Filter Cutoff...
> 
> The CC's I set on the software does not match up to the CC's for the HAWKS parameters as shown in the Quick Reference pdf.
> 
> If I tried to use CC#24 on the software slider for the filter cutoff (Parameter P2 41), the HAWK would change Parameter 12 instead.  Plus it would show "CC 12 01" on the screen while I moved the software slider control (When I stop moving a slider, the "CC ** **" will change back to the previous display.), it will do this for#23 thru #30 incrementally.
> CC#30 from the software changes parameter 18.
> 
> It stops there, then when I use CC#31 it will show patch "11 *P".. the "*" will go up in value 1-8.
> 
> 
> 
> There's other odd things that happen as well.. but obviously the point is that I want to make CC#24 change the filter cutoff as stated in the Quick Reference sheet, CC#96 to adjust the Resonance Set Point...  as well as all the other CC's assigned to each and every single parameters in a single patch.
> 
> Is there a setting in the HAWK I need to change?
>

>
> read the MIDI implementation chart again mate.
> 
> VCF Resonance CC #71
> VCF cut off CC #74
> 
> Then read pages 31 and 32 in the owners manual.
> 
> You have no less than THREE different ways to do what you want.
> 
> NRPN CC's, my own "quick parameter change" method, and my own controller friendly method (that's the one you are frustrated by.
> 
> The standard way that most recent controllers support is the NRPN method.
> 
> But the others work, I just retested them again and they're all good.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
>

On 4 Sep 2012, at 15:33, bimmerfan222 wrote:

> 
> 
> After some more digging, I found the three ways you mentioned.
> 
>  I guess for now I'm stuck with the little freeware CC apps that are not NRPN configurable.
>  I searched and searched for software I can use on a PC to send NRPN's when a virtual slider/knob is moved..  can't seem to find one to download to try out.
> 
> 
> 
> Do you or anyone on here know of an app that is simple sliders/knobs that can do NRPN's?  Freeware would be nice.. but I couldnt seem to find one.
> 
> What NRPN capable controller do you use Mike?
> 
> And lastly.. just what are those CC#'s next to each parameter on the Quick Reference sheet?  That's what got me confused in the beginning.
> 
> 
> 
> The "controller friendly" method you included isnt so bad after all..  It just took a little getting use to at first.
> But to do what I want, it looks like I'll be diving into NRPN controls so I can assign knobs to any parameter from any Parameter Bank.
> 
> 
> -Blaine
> 
> 
> 
> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@...> wrote:
>> 
>> read the MIDI implementation chart again mate.
>> 
>> VCF Resonance CC #71
>> VCF cut off CC #74
>> 
>> Then read pages 31 and 32 in the owners manual.
>> 
>> You have no less than THREE different ways to do what you want.
>> 
>> NRPN CC's, my own "quick parameter change" method, and my own controller friendly method (that's the one you are frustrated by.
>> 
>> The standard way that most recent controllers support is the NRPN method.
>> 
>> But the others work, I just retested them again and they're all good.
>> 
>> Enjoy!
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> Feel free to upload into the files section any sysex dumps and tape dumps of patches that you may have but please discuss (with the entire group) the posting of other files *before* posting them. This helps us to keep redundant information from showing up everywhere and also allows us to constantly improve the format and structure of the documentation. We talk about the HAWK-800 quite a bit but we also discuss and help owners of the original Poly-800 models. So don't be shy if you haven't got the HAWK-800.Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
>

On 4 Sep 2012, at 15:33, bimmerfan222 wrote:

> 
> 
> After some more digging, I found the three ways you mentioned.
> 
>  I guess for now I'm stuck with the little freeware CC apps that are not NRPN configurable.
>  I searched and searched for software I can use on a PC to send NRPN's when a virtual slider/knob is moved..  can't seem to find one to download to try out.
> 
> 
> 
> Do you or anyone on here know of an app that is simple sliders/knobs that can do NRPN's?  Freeware would be nice.. but I couldnt seem to find one.
> 
> What NRPN capable controller do you use Mike?
> 
> And lastly.. just what are those CC#'s next to each parameter on the Quick Reference sheet?  That's what got me confused in the beginning.
> 
> 
> 
> The "controller friendly" method you included isnt so bad after all..  It just took a little getting use to at first.
> But to do what I want, it looks like I'll be diving into NRPN controls so I can assign knobs to any parameter from any Parameter Bank.
> 
> 
> -Blaine
> 
> 
> 
> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@...> wrote:
>> 
>> read the MIDI implementation chart again mate.
>> 
>> VCF Resonance CC #71
>> VCF cut off CC #74
>> 
>> Then read pages 31 and 32 in the owners manual.
>> 
>> You have no less than THREE different ways to do what you want.
>> 
>> NRPN CC's, my own "quick parameter change" method, and my own controller friendly method (that's the one you are frustrated by.
>> 
>> The standard way that most recent controllers support is the NRPN method.
>> 
>> But the others work, I just retested them again and they're all good.
>> 
>> Enjoy!
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> Feel free to upload into the files section any sysex dumps and tape dumps of patches that you may have but please discuss (with the entire group) the posting of other files *before* posting them. This helps us to keep redundant information from showing up everywhere and also allows us to constantly improve the format and structure of the documentation. We talk about the HAWK-800 quite a bit but we also discuss and help owners of the original Poly-800 models. So don't be shy if you haven't got the HAWK-800.Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
>

>
> read the MIDI implementation chart again mate.
> 
> VCF Resonance CC #71
> VCF cut off CC #74
> 
> Then read pages 31 and 32 in the owners manual.
> 
> You have no less than THREE different ways to do what you want.
> 
> NRPN CC's, my own "quick parameter change" method, and my own controller friendly method (that's the one you are frustrated by.
> 
> The standard way that most recent controllers support is the NRPN method.
> 
> But the others work, I just retested them again and they're all good.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
>

>
> read the MIDI implementation chart again mate.
> 
> VCF Resonance CC #71
> VCF cut off CC #74
> 
> Then read pages 31 and 32 in the owners manual.
> 
> You have no less than THREE different ways to do what you want.
> 
> NRPN CC's, my own "quick parameter change" method, and my own controller friendly method (that's the one you are frustrated by.
> 
> The standard way that most recent controllers support is the NRPN method.
> 
> But the others work, I just retested them again and they're all good.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
>

>
> Actually, I have the Remote 25. Not the SL.
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Novation-Remote-25-Midi-Keyboard-PSU-/230845437127?pt=Midi_Controllers&hash=item35bf75d4c7
> 
> Yeah, really, really cheap now.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@...>
> To: "korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com" <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 1:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] Re: CC issues...
>  
> 
> Â  
> I use a Novation RemoteSL25. I am not a professional muso though. I just use it because it works for me.
> 
> And it was cheap!
> 
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: bimmerfan222 <bperkins211@...>
> To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 10:33 AM
> Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: CC issues...
>  
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> After some more digging, I found the three ways you mentioned.
> 
> I guess for now I'm stuck with the little freeware CC apps that are not NRPN configurable.
> I searched and searched for software I can use on a PC to send NRPN's when a virtual slider/knob is moved..  can't seem to find one to download to try out.
> 
> Do you or anyone on here know of an app that is simple sliders/knobs that can do NRPN's?  Freeware would be nice.. but I couldnt seem to find one.
> 
> What NRPN capable controller do you use Mike?
> 
> And lastly.. just what are those CC#'s next to each parameter on the Quick Reference sheet?  That's what got me confused in the beginning.
> 
> The "controller friendly" method you included isnt so bad after all..  It just took a little getting use to at first.
> But to do what I want, it looks like I'll be diving into NRPN controls so I can assign knobs to any parameter from any Parameter Bank.
> 
> -Blaine
> 
> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@> wrote:
> >
> > read the MIDI implementation chart again mate.
> > 
> > VCF Resonance CC #71
> > VCF cut off CC #74
> > 
> > Then read pages 31 and 32 in the owners manual.
> > 
> > You have no less than THREE different ways to do what you want.
> > 
> > NRPN CC's, my own "quick parameter change" method, and my own controller friendly method (that's the one you are frustrated by.
> > 
> > The standard way that most recent controllers support is the NRPN method.
> > 
> > But the others work, I just retested them again and they're all good.
> > 
> > Enjoy!
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > 
> >
>

>
> Actually, I have the Remote 25. Not the SL.
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Novation-Remote-25-Midi-Keyboard-PSU-/230845437127?pt=Midi_Controllers&hash=item35bf75d4c7
> 
> Yeah, really, really cheap now.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@...>
> To: "korgpolyex@...m" <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 1:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] Re: CC issues...
> 
> 
> Â  
> I use a Novation RemoteSL25. I am not a professional muso though. I just use it because it works for me.
> 
> And it was cheap!
> 
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: bimmerfan222 <bperkins211@...>
> To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 10:33 AM
> Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: CC issues...
> 
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> After some more digging, I found the three ways you mentioned.
> 
> I guess for now I'm stuck with the little freeware CC apps that are not NRPN configurable.
> I searched and searched for software I can use on a PC to send NRPN's when a virtual slider/knob is moved..  can't seem to find one to download to try out.
> 
> Do you or anyone on here know of an app that is simple sliders/knobs that can do NRPN's?  Freeware would be nice.. but I couldnt seem to find one.
> 
> What NRPN capable controller do you use Mike?
> 
> And lastly.. just what are those CC#'s next to each parameter on the Quick Reference sheet?  That's what got me confused in the beginning.
> 
> The "controller friendly" method you included isnt so bad after all..  It just took a little getting use to at first.
> But to do what I want, it looks like I'll be diving into NRPN controls so I can assign knobs to any parameter from any Parameter Bank.
> 
> -Blaine
> 
> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@> wrote:
> >
> > read the MIDI implementation chart again mate.
> > 
> > VCF Resonance CC #71
> > VCF cut off CC #74
> > 
> > Then read pages 31 and 32 in the owners manual.
> > 
> > You have no less than THREE different ways to do what you want.
> > 
> > NRPN CC's, my own "quick parameter change" method, and my own controller friendly method (that's the one you are frustrated by.
> > 
> > The standard way that most recent controllers support is the NRPN method.
> > 
> > But the others work, I just retested them again and they're all good.
> > 
> > Enjoy!
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > 
> >
>

On 5 Sep 2012, at 02:09, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> Those are the data values needed to select a particular parameter. Before you say it, you're right, it's confusing at best and downright silly at worst. I shall redo that sheet soon.\
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> From: bimmerfan222 <bperkins211@...>
> To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 1:54 PM
> Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: CC issues...
> 
> 
> 
> looks like they go for about $100, according to the last completed listing that sold.
> 
> Any comment about those CC#'s next to the parameters on the Parameter Quick Reference chart?
> 
> Like VCF cutoff has CC#24, Resonance Set Point CC#96.
> 
> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@...> wrote:
> >
> > Actually, I have the Remote 25. Not the SL.
> > 
> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Novation-Remote-25-Midi-Keyboard-PSU-/230845437127?pt=Midi_Controllers&hash=item35bf75d4c7
> > 
> > Yeah, really, really cheap now.
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > From: Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@...>
> > To: "korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com" <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> 
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 1:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] Re: CC issues...
> > 
> > 
> > Â  
> > I use a Novation RemoteSL25. I am not a professional muso though. I just use it because it works for me.
> > 
> > And it was cheap!
> > 
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > From: bimmerfan222 <bperkins211@...>
> > To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 10:33 AM
> > Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: CC issues...
> > 
> > 
> > Â  
> > 
> > 
> > After some more digging, I found the three ways you mentioned.
> > 
> > I guess for now I'm stuck with the little freeware CC apps that are not NRPN configurable.
> > I searched and searched for software I can use on a PC to send NRPN's when a virtual slider/knob is moved.. can't seem to find one to download to try out.
> > 
> > Do you or anyone on here know of an app that is simple sliders/knobs that can do NRPN's? Freeware would be nice.. but I couldnt seem to find one.
> > 
> > What NRPN capable controller do you use Mike?
> > 
> > And lastly.. just what are those CC#'s next to each parameter on the Quick Reference sheet? That's what got me confused in the beginning.
> > 
> > The "controller friendly" method you included isnt so bad after all.. It just took a little getting use to at first.
> > But to do what I want, it looks like I'll be diving into NRPN controls so I can assign knobs to any parameter from any Parameter Bank.
> > 
> > -Blaine
> > 
> > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@> wrote:
> > >
> > > read the MIDI implementation chart again mate.
> > > 
> > > VCF Resonance CC #71
> > > VCF cut off CC #74
> > > 
> > > Then read pages 31 and 32 in the owners manual.
> > > 
> > > You have no less than THREE different ways to do what you want.
> > > 
> > > NRPN CC's, my own "quick parameter change" method, and my own controller friendly method (that's the one you are frustrated by.
> > > 
> > > The standard way that most recent controllers support is the NRPN method.
> > > 
> > > But the others work, I just retested them again and they're all good.
> > > 
> > > Enjoy!
> > > 
> > > Mike
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

>
>Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: bimmerfan222 <bperkins211@...>
>To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 1:54 PM
>Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: CC issues...
> 
>
>  
>
>
>looks like they go for about $100, according to the last completed listing that sold.
>
>Any comment about those CC#'s next to the parameters on the Parameter Quick Reference chart?
>
>Like VCF cutoff has CC#24, Resonance Set Point CC#96.
>
>--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@...> wrote:
>>
>> Actually, I have the Remote 25. Not the SL.
>> 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Novation-Remote-25-Midi-Keyboard-PSU-/230845437127?pt=Midi_Controllers&hash=item35bf75d4c7
>> 
>> Yeah, really, really cheap now.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>>  From: Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@...>
>> To: "korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com" <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 1:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] Re: CC issues...
>> 
>> 
>> Â  
>> I use a Novation RemoteSL25. I am not a professional muso though. I just use it because it works for me.
>> 
>> And it was cheap!
>> 
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>>  From: bimmerfan222 <bperkins211@...>
>> To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 10:33 AM
>> Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: CC issues...
>> 
>> 
>> Â  
>> 
>> 
>> After some more digging, I found the three ways you mentioned.
>> 
>> I guess for now I'm stuck with the little freeware CC apps that are not NRPN configurable.
>> I searched and searched for software I can use on a PC to send NRPN's when a virtual slider/knob is moved..  can't seem to find one to download to try out.
>> 
>> Do you or anyone on here know of an app that is simple sliders/knobs that can do NRPN's?  Freeware would be nice.. but I couldnt seem to find one.
>> 
>> What NRPN capable controller do you use Mike?
>> 
>> And lastly.. just what are those CC#'s next to each parameter on the Quick Reference sheet?  That's what got me confused in the beginning.
>> 
>> The "controller friendly" method you included isnt so bad after all..  It just took a little getting use to at first.
>> But to do what I want, it looks like I'll be diving into NRPN controls so I can assign knobs to any parameter from any Parameter Bank.
>> 
>> -Blaine
>> 
>> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@> wrote:
>> >
>> > read the MIDI implementation chart again mate.
>> > 
>> > VCF Resonance CC #71
>> > VCF cut off CC #74
>> > 
>> > Then read pages 31 and 32 in the owners manual.
>> > 
>> > You have no less than THREE different ways to do what you want.
>> > 
>> > NRPN CC's, my own "quick parameter change" method, and my own controller friendly method (that's the one you are frustrated by.
>> > 
>> > The standard way that most recent controllers support is the NRPN method.
>> > 
>> > But the others work, I just retested them again and they're all good.
>> > 
>> > Enjoy!
>> > 
>> > Mike
>> > 
>> > 
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>

 From: bimmerfan222 <bperkins211@...>
To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2012 9:34 AM
Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: CC issues...
 

  


> Those are the data values needed to select a particular parameter. Before you say it, you're right, it's confusing at best and downright silly at worst. I shall redo that sheet soon.\
> 
> Mike

I began to assume they were ref#'s meant for the firmware and not actual MIDI CC's.

I'm guessing it wouldnt be too terribly difficult to assign parameters to open CC#'s thru code alterations?

NRPN is a great tool... it's just had to make me completely readjust my gameplan for a custom controller project I've been slowly putting together.
I'll get it working with NRPN, it just might not have all the features I thought I could design into it.

On another note, I finally ordered some encoders, D flipflops and quad bi lat switches.
I should have a working data dial to put in a Poly here in about a week ;)

-Blaine

 From: bimmerfan222 <bperkins211@...>
To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2012 12:10 PM
Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: CC issues...
 

  


"I don't see why using NRPN's would limit you"

It's due to my complex setup of the pots and switches and the limitation of the MIDI CPU that translates their values into MIDI messages.
The CPU has a set boundry/syntax of commands.

What I was hoping to do was make a pair of pots synch'd to change the parameters they alter by pressing a momentary switch.  A multimode effect.

So say.. Pot1&2 in first mode will change VCF cutoff & Resonance, then press a switch and they change to alter LFO1 freq & Depth.. press the switch again and they become LFO2 Freq/Depth.. press again and they become something else and so on..

The command structure appears to only let you do this if they are standard CC#'s.  Because NRPN requires at least two CC's, it's that additional msg that must be sent that takes the ability to multi mode a set of controls.
I also wanted to do the multimode feature for a pair of "hat" switches.. they are like old time Nintendo "+" controllers.. UP/DOWN/LEFT/RIGHT switches.  So they could be used for say SLFO3 Freq. UP/DOWN and it's Depth UP/DOWN... hit a separate switch and it would change to SLFO4 controls.

The FIRMWARE manual is here is you ever get curious:
http://highlyliquid.com/support/docs/pdf/MIDI-CPU-Firmware-Ver-1-2.pdf

3.1.1 is where the CPU's Sysex format can be found.. right below it is the "layer" configuration explanation.. and then 3.2 talks about all the logic modes.

 From: bimmerfan222 <bperkins211@...>
To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2012 5:22 PM
Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: CC issues...
 

  


"if you provide a short list of those you want to control, then I can have a look at implementing them."

Short list eh?  Well I tried to make it short, but because you made so many cool parameters to tweak and how they are all interwoven together... it's very hard to keep it short.

Here's a list of controls I find myself tweaking the most.. 

DCO1&2 Group- (8 CC's)

1&2 Harmonic Selector
1&2 harmonic mod. waveform
1&2 harmonic mod. source
1&2 harmonic mod. depth 

DCO Tune & Noise Group  (3 CC's)

DCO2 Interval
DCO2 Detune
Noise Level

LFO1&2 Group   (8 CC's)

LFO1/2  Freq.  ( I know LFO1 is already a CC.  It'd just be nice to keep theses together)
LFO1/2  PWM Phase
SLFO3/4  waveform select for LFO1/2
SLFO3/4  mod. depth for LFO1/2

VCF Modulation Group    (6 CC's)

VCF LFO1/2  waveform select
VCF LFO1/2  mod. source
VCF LFO1/2  mod. depth

Resonance   (3  CC's)

LFO Mod. Waveform Sel.
LFO Mod. Source
LFO Mod. Depth

SLFO 3&4  (4  CC's)

SLFO 3/4 Freq.
SLFO 3/4 PWM Phase

DCO Modulation  (3  CC's)

DCO LFO Waveform select
DCO LFO  Mod. Source
DCO LFO  Mod. Depth 

Portamento    (2  CC's)

Glide Rate
Portamento On/Off  (this one isnt a parameter, but it'd be nice to toggle on/off via CC).

So that's about 37 CC's in all.
I know.. you said "short list".. the above isnt exactly short.  But they are all the more fun "on the fly" controls to play with IMO.

I was thinking that maybe if they could be grouped up in the available CC's left open on the HAWK in a certain logical order?

For example: Freq. Modulation of LFO1/2 by SLFO3/4 should be together with SLFO 3/4  Freq. CC's...     Either with a SLFO group or have the SLFO Freq CC's grouped up with the LFO1/2 Group.  To keep them together.

I tried not to repeat controls that already have a CC assigned.. you already have VCF cutoff & Resonance Setpoint...   I did repeat VCF/DCO modulation depth and LFO1 Freq. since they would be nice to have grouped together with their respective groups....  There is a method to my madness.

I'm really not trying to complicate all this, but the HAWK has become quite a complex machine to control with all the new toys in it.

-Blaine

>
> Too many.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: bimmerfan222 <bperkins211@...>
> To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2012 5:22 PM
> Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: CC issues...
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> "if you provide a short list of those you want to control, then I can have a look at implementing them."
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> Short list eh?  Well I tried to make it short, but because you made so many cool parameters to tweak and how they are all interwoven together... it's very hard to keep it short.
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> Here's a list of controls I find myself tweaking the most.. 
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> DCO1&2 Group- (8 CC's)
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> 1&2 Harmonic Selector
> 1&2 harmonic mod. waveform
> 1&2 harmonic mod. source
> 1&2 harmonic mod. depth 
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> DCO Tune & Noise Group  (3 CC's)
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> DCO2 Interval
> DCO2 Detune
> Noise Level
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> LFO1&2 Group   (8 CC's)
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> LFO1/2  Freq.  ( I know LFO1 is already a CC.  It'd just be nice to keep theses together)
> LFO1/2  PWM Phase
> SLFO3/4  waveform select for LFO1/2
> SLFO3/4  mod. depth for LFO1/2
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> VCF Modulation Group    (6 CC's)
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> VCF LFO1/2  waveform select
> VCF LFO1/2  mod. source
> VCF LFO1/2  mod. depth
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> Resonance   (3  CC's)
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> LFO Mod. Waveform Sel.
> LFO Mod. Source
> LFO Mod. Depth
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> SLFO 3&4  (4  CC's)
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> SLFO 3/4 Freq.
> SLFO 3/4 PWM Phase
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> DCO Modulation  (3  CC's)
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> DCO LFO Waveform select
> DCO LFO  Mod. Source
> DCO LFO  Mod. Depth 
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> Portamento    (2  CC's)
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> Glide Rate
> Portamento On/Off  (this one isnt a parameter, but it'd be nice to toggle on/off via CC).
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> So that's about 37 CC's in all.
> I know.. you said "short list".. the above isnt exactly short.  But they are all the more fun "on the fly" controls to play with IMO.
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> I was thinking that maybe if they could be grouped up in the available CC's left open on the HAWK in a certain logical order?
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> For example: Freq. Modulation of LFO1/2 by SLFO3/4 should be together with SLFO 3/4  Freq. CC's...     Either with a SLFO group or have the SLFO Freq CC's grouped up with the LFO1/2 Group.  To keep them together.
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> I tried not to repeat controls that already have a CC assigned.. you already have VCF cutoff & Resonance Setpoint...   I did repeat VCF/DCO modulation depth and LFO1 Freq. since they would be nice to have grouped together with their respective groups....  There is a method to my madness.
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> I'm really not trying to complicate all this, but the HAWK has become quite a complex machine to control with all the new toys in it.
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> -Blaine
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