The Logic Off Topic list

>when you say about sharon  that "He has the blood of thousands.." ,you're
>not aware of FACTS:
>1. The people who murdered  those people in Lebanon were Lebanons, motivated
>by inter-lebanon fights and hates.
>The thing Sharon was accused of  was he could know that this would happen.

As I recall, but perhaps Bashar or someone else can give a better 
recollection, the Israeli's sealed off two refugee camps, and then 
allowed known enemies to go in and systematically kill women and children 
with no effort to stop it. And didn't he lead a raid in one of the wars, 
where he and his men personally killed 80 unarmed Arab women and children 
in their sleep ... or was that another Israeli leader. It was one of them.

>If he was Russian British  or American this question wouldn't had arouse .  
>Justice has the tendency to be with the strong. Look at what the Russian did
>to chechnia, the british to folkland or what the American will do to
>afganishtan. 

That is nonsense. There is a large outcry about what the Russians are 
doing in Chechnya. The Falklands were British lands before the Argentines 
invaded. They simply ejected the military invaders. Whats the problem 
with that? And as for the US, please wait for a single bullet to be fired 
before condemning us. Everyone speaks as if something terrible has 
happened, when in reality nothing has occured other than Afgans fighting 
Afgans.

I don't think you realize is that the Arab world blames America for the 
various misdeeds of Israel. We just paid with 6,000 lives for our strong 
support of Israel. Meanwhile Sharon keeps cancelling peace negotiatiions 
and does whatever the hell he feels like without any regard to the price 
that we pay (in lives, not to mention the $4,000,000,000 a year we give 
Israel and various military equipment). And what do we get in return?

>Be sure that if the same thing had happen in Israel the
>American and all the world would not allow the israelies to response as they
>allow the Americans.

I'm sorry, I don't know what this means. I do know that the US shields 
Israel from the condemnation of the world - not just the arabs, but even 
the Europeon countries vote against Israel often and the US vetoes many 
bills.

>Let me ask you - If you were in a war and had the information that two
>groups ,which are your enemies might fight each other to death, would you
>care ?

Maybe the Palestinians wouldn't be your enemy if you didn't steal their 
land, force them to live in squalid refugee camps without any hope.

>2. You also ignore the fact that Arafat IS controlling the shooting and
>killing ,at least at the Macro level.- for example:

Well after he promised peace with Shimon Perez the other day, Hamas 
promptly said they would not honor any cease fire. So if Arafat has no 
control over these even more militant groups what control does he have 
over every single angry Palestinian? Does he have some sort of mind 
control? Does any leader of any people control every one of them?


>3. As for the last "intifada" going on for the last year - 
>So far there was a discussion going on whether Sharon's visit in Jerusalem
>was the ignition to the "intifada" or not.
>4. Arafat is placing his people as victims , and provoke things that will
>cause lose of life.

You're missing the point. When millions of people are so angry and 
frustrated they are ready to die, then it doesn't take much to put a 
match to the powder keg. And any way you count it, the Palestinians are 
having more of their people killed. What kind of strategy is it to have 
your own people die? And then you blame them too?


>5. And I truly believe the palestiniens deserve a country .problem is they
>have to realize they don't have to destroy us if they have.

That is very fair of you. Arafat has agreed to Israel's right to exist - 
reluctantly I'm sure - but has the Israeli government agreed to the 
Palestinian's states right to exist? No. They opppose it.

Its in Israel's best interest to let these people have place to call 
home. Let them have jobs and prosperity and hope. Then they'll stop 
attacking. Then Jews and Palestinians can live in peace, and everyone 
will be happy. 

>6. CNN - How can you believe a network whose reporters are palestenians ?
>how can you believe a network who suppress news when the palestenians don't
>approve them ? there have been numerous examples how this network is biased

I see Shimon Perez, Ariel Sharon, and Bibi Netanyahu on tv or radio quite 
a bit in the past few weeks. On the other hand, no matter who the 
reporter is, does it matter? If Israel shoots a tank shell into a refugee 
camp and kills three innocent people like they did last week, does that 
make the incident untrue because of who reported it?

And regarding the Palestinian boy who may have been shot by his father, 
don't worry, there are thousands of dead Palestinians from genuine 
Israeli bullets, shells, bombs, and rockets. No matter which way that one 
case goes, it won't change the rest of the facts.