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At 2:17 PM +0000 10/11/01, yoonchinet@... wrote:
>--- In logic-ot@y..., GAmoore@a... wrote:
>I commented:
>>  >Yoonchi.
>>  >Ps I'm sorry that the American president made a stupid move by attacking
>>  >a country just for political reasons, not for the purpose to 
>>fight terrorism.
>
>And GA Moore reacted with:
>>  What kind of stupid comment is that? Are the leaders of Europe and 
>>Russia all
>>  fools? They have all seen the evidence and support us fully - not to mention
>>  many other nations.
>
>Ok, I want to show you how 'stupid' my comment was.

Congratulations you were successful.

>First of all you tell a country, Afghanistan, to hand over a person, 
>bin Laden, unconditionally. Then, you threaten them to attack them, 
>if they don't hand over that person. You, the government of the USA, 
>go around some countries, first stating that if you are not the ally 
>you'll be the enemy of the USA. You show some leaders of the western 
>world something, noone knows but those people in higher places, 
>telling the world you can't show all because of security reasons. I 
>can buy this.
>Then you start a build up of the person bin Laden, as being the evil 
>of all evil in the public eye. All of a suden the goal shifts from 
>trying to combat terrorism to trying to overthrow the Taliban. What 
>happened here?

Ok imagine your name is T you live in a house with roommates.   You 
also have a guest who apparently likes to kill the tenants of the 30 
story apartment house on the next block while they are out walking 
their dogs.

Your guest even makes videos encouraging anyone he can to take up his 
hobby. He says not only is it fun, its a duty because dogs are 
unclean animals that walk around with their penises exposed in broad 
daylight.   And you know all about your guest's hobby because for one 
thing you have seen his videos.  But you don't try to stop or 
discourage him.

So the people in the apartment house decide that is enough is enough 
after some friends of your guest kill a whole bunch of the apartment 
dwellers and they have a meeting with the people in all the apartment 
houses in your neighborhood and everyone agrees that it's time for 
your guest to visit the courthouse.

So they send you a message that they want you to send out your guest. 
But you say no you'll take care of it.  Your neighbors however are 
skeptical about you taking care of it because the murder and video 
taping has been going on for ten years and you could have told your 
guest to leave at any time.  But you didn't.  So they say no you 
don't have to take care of it they will.

And you say that you will not let them have your guest and that you 
and your roommates will defend your guest with the last drop of your 
blood.

Well up until that point your neighbors had been giving you the 
benefit of a very large doubt.  Now they can't do that anymore 
because you are saying out right that you are willing to die to 
protect someone who's apparent goal in life is to kill them.

Well now Mr.  T.  How else can your neighbors interpret your actions 
than to assume that you support your guest and his Hobby?  What can 
they do?  You've taken the decision out of their hands they need to 
get your guest out of action for their own safety and you have said 
to get your guest out they have to get you out too.

So they agree to your terms.

Honestly  yoonchi what is it about this situation that is difficult 
for you to understand?


>Remember the discussion you had with Hendrik Jan? How we don't want 
>to go down like lemmings?

Your brave and heroic altruism truly is inspirational.


>  That is exactly what is happening. And the focus has gone from 
>combatting terrorism to attacking the Taliban regime. Not that I'm 
>in favor of that ruthless Taliban regime, but the focus has shifted. 
>What's next? Attacking Syria, because they shelter terrorists? Hey, 
>that Syria regime is no fav of the US either so why not use a 
>pretext to attack it too.

Is this your suggestion?

>What next then, Saudi Arabia? I bet you'll have a big war on your 
>hands there if you attack them.
>So, I don't see why Bush couldn't get some diplomacy going there to 
>get that terrorist network annihalated.

He did try that.  For a very reasonable amount of time.  Even got 
help where it was not expected.

>Or maybe it's purposely done to shift the focus. So the real 
>financers of terrorism are not revealed.

Yeah of course!  Now I see!  Really he is hoping there will be more 
terrorist attacks.  Yes of course that makes perfect sense.   How is 
that only you saw it?   Brilliant!!


>Result of the attacks: millions of refugees, a country devasted more 
>than it already was, animocity towards Islamic countries with ground 
>to breed extremists.

Result of the Taliban doing business as usual: millions of refugees, 
a country devasted more than it already was, animosity towards 
Islamic fundamentalists breeding extremists.

>And maybe the nationalist feelings of a nation satisfied, because 
>'we had to do something against these attrocities commited on 
>September 11'

Do you really think it would be reasonable to expect nothing to be done?
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