The Logic Off Topic list

> No problem, I agree with you Taliban is a dark age regime, but there are
so
> many worse throughout the world "outside of the US boarders" , so focusing
> at taliban as if they are the source of all evil is wrong IMHO,and I am
> still NOT convinced that Bin Laden is the one despite all the repeating
that
> the media does everyday, he is not a duck, he is a terrorist, agreed,
people
> died agreed, but what happened to innocent until proven guilty??

Well, I don't know. I'm not sure either if he's the man behind it all. I
guess we just have to trust our governements on this...? But in interviews
he has praised the attacks, and prior to Sep. 11th he encouraged all true
Muslims to kill any American they could get their hands on. Maybe he's not
directly responsible for the attacks, but he's not innocent, if you
understand what I mean. But clearly, in your opinion he didn't do it. OK,
why is that? Something must have led your thoughts elsewhere. I understand
you have some different theories on who did it. What information has pointed
towards any other suspect? Information that outweights Bin Laden as the
prime suspect? I'd really like to know. And why is it that every one seem to
distrust the government in the first place. Do you really think they would
sacrifice the lives of 6 000 people on the alter of justice just to look
good and say, "We got the guy". And why choose a man almost impossible to
get? They have to fight a war just to get him for heavens sake. It would
have been a lot easier to point out Sadam Hussein and invade Iraq for all I
can see. But this is what I mean by Occams razor. You elliminate all the
unlikely factors and you end up with two or three possibilities, and one of
them is by 95% certainty the right assumption.

Anyway, the whole conflict is based on thoughts I for one simply can't
understand. Like the reason behind all his hatred comes out from the issue
that there are American troops in Saudi-Arabia. The problem isn't that they
are Americans, but that they are Infidels in the Holy Land. Nothing else!
It's all religious motivated, not anyone being suppressed or anything?! OK,
you have this embargo towards Iraq, which I for one find very questionable,
but that's not an issue for Bin Laden. He just lately started to use that as
a catalyst in his propaganda for true Muslims to fight in the Holy War
against the Infidels. And anyway, the embargo is ratified by the UN not the
US alone.

BTW: "Innocent until proven guilty" is a Western idea, implemented by the
ancient Romans and reimplemented in the American Constitution 15 hundred
years later, which again was a model for the French revolution, etc. It has
never been an Islamic notion, and is nowhere mentioned in the Quran
(Koran)/shadra.

These regims base all their laws and conduct upon the Koran and do you think
they would have treated you by Western laws? These guys sentence you by the
"eye for an eye" notion literally. Two, three years ago it was this mass
murderer who had raped, tortured and carved/dissected his victims. When he
was found guilty they did exactly to him as what he had done to his
victims... ...in public! Even the raping and cutting! A really happy town
gathering I'd say... OK, fair enough this man must have been a monster, but
please...!

What regime do you think we should get to first if not the Taliban? I'd
really like to know your thoughts on this one! You say there are so many
worse regimes throughout the world!