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Hi,

> In the past few months, we've been treated to defenses of insensitive
> commentary involving misogyny, rascism and nazism as "just jokes."

Let me first say that it has been "quiet" for many months, but only the last
three weeks many different problematic threads showed up again.

> I don't think that's a big deal.  Most of the bandwidth abusers are repeat
> offenders.

Not necessarily true... often they are newbies. That's no excuse for me though
because I can find a solution for those two "groups" of subscribers.

> Perhaps you could announce the closing of a thread, or the
> shunting of a thread to the OT list, and that anyone who posts further in
> violation of your decision will be placed in moderated mode.  Then, do it.

I've done so before many times! Even in the last couple of weeks. The problem is
that by the time you've moderated those people, others step in as well and you
can have a thread that goes on for days.

> I think that it's unfortunate that you chose to belittle KA B in your
> attempt to close off the thread:

OK, gotta tell the full story: GruvWiz is banned because several people have
complained of private mails by him in the last couple of days. I also sent KA B a
personal mail and _asked_ him not to send such mails to the list. I also told him
to ignore my admin mail: I just "had to" officially comment on it or people would
start mailing me that I took no action. Maybe now my actions make more sense? :-)

> from Joeri's earlier LUG post...
> > That doesn't mean everyone should be moaning about it for the rest of their
> > lives.
> The person responsible for the ruckus was Phil Angus (did Len Sasso make a
> good call, or what?).  The person with the power to heal the group and end
> the discussion was Phil Angus.  And much to his credit, he rose to the
> challenge (thank you, Phil!).  Therefore, pressure should have been applied
> to PHIL from the very start.

Which I did: I also mailed him privately and urged him to be more careful when
posting jokes like that.

>  effective moderation that
> weeds out posts such as Phil's before they can do any damage

I remove many beforehand, but some just come out of the blue... Phil usually
posts valuable mails to the list.

> Add my name to theirs.

I hope you can reconsider that decision.

OK, after listening to some feedback (both here and privately), I think I'll
moderate even harder. Whether we like it or not, action has once again to be
taken.

Ciao,
Joeri

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