Thoughts from the mind of GAmoore@..., 9/27/01:
>I think Hendrik is a bit sensitive. I don't recall anyone saying he was
>stupid or using bad words in regard to him.
Sure you have a short memory brother...
> >Could you please point out to me what exactly I said that earns me
>>this level of hatred?
>
>Why is it taken to be "hatred" when someone simply asks to explain their
>moral judgements? If people feel complete freedom to say whatever they
>want and pronounce judgements, is it wrong to ask them to clarify their
>measuring system?
Let me quote just some of the things you seemed fit to say w.r.t. to
me (btw, didn't take me more than 2 minutes to copy&paste them, so
providing quotes really isn't that hard or time consuming):
--quote
You called Americans
"primitive" and "cowboys" and mocked our military, and spoke as if
terrible civilian deaths have already occurred in advance. Rather
than being childish innocent or god like, your comments have been
sarcastic and insulting in a flippant smart ass way.
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But frankly I consider every Spectro's anti-American points to be stupid
at worst, and distorted reality at best. It made me realize, that much of
the world is screwed up, like Hendrik for example. How can we hope to
come to an understanding with such negative, stupid, and ignorant
attitudes.
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But is your hatred for America so great you don't have much common sense left?
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I'm sure Hendrik is very concerned that some of the innocent Afgans might
have gotten injured while they were ransacking and burning our embassy to
the ground yesterday.
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>some< will be concerned about those bomb makers
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Actually, very few people on this list (including the Netherlands
shredderman himself), take an even approach.
--unquote
... none of them supported by proper quotations or reasonable
arguments. Every accusation and insult has come out of the blue, and
no proof of your opinionated view has been provided.
At the same time I've tried to remain calm and reasonable, only to
get more abuse thrown at me. And remember, the above are just some
quotes of _your_ mails. I won't even bother to add the stuff some
others wrote.
And then you call me "a bit sensitive"? It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
I wrote a message that to many americans and non-americans alike made
sense. You and some others then launched on a sort of hate campaign.
Now who's being a bit sensitive? Again, it would be funny if it
wasn't so sad.
I'm not asking for excuses or apologies. That would clearly be
pointless. I'm only asking for a single quotation of anything I've
written that justifies the rage of some list-members. I still think
that's a reasonable request
>Frankly, I don't understand the anti-Americanism that was occuring in
>Europe even before the disaster.
Me neither.
>But by objective standards, there are far worse things going on in the
>world today - in Chechnya, in China, in Israel/Occupied lands, in
>Afganistan, etc.
Never denied that, or implied otherwise.
Oh, BTW, it occurs to me that once more you've failed to provide any
quotations of mine that could explain your misguided image of me as
being a US-hater. That doesn't amaze me. However, it does not speak
on your behalf to go about accusing a list-member of irrational
hatred for your country, and then, upon repeated request, failing to
provide even a single shred of evidence supporting your claim. It
can't be a matter of 'lack of time', since you seem to have plenty of
time to write multiple messages per day.
Once more, and for the last time, I kindly ask you to quote me once,
saying words to the effect that all of the US sucks, or all Americans
are biggots, or whatever else it is I seem to have said that supports
yuor strange ideas about me. Obviously ignoring such a simply
request for the third time, could only lead me to conclude that you
simple _have_ no case.
Isn't providing evidence before convicting someone the basis for the
US legal system?
regards,
HJ
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Hendrik Jan Veenstra
email: mailto:h@...
www: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html