Re: [L-OT] some 'serious' music from japan (was: bad news)
2002-02-27 by texture444@aol.com
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2002-02-27 by texture444@aol.com
re: the japanese music-marketplace, someone asked: >>Isn't there anything a bit more "serious" out there? well, of course there is. for starters, one might try: ryuichi sakamoto. yoshiro hanno. toru takemitsu. nobukazi takemura. kk null (and others from the osaka 'noise' scene, a la the boredoms.....) hamza el-din (egyptian by birth, lives in tokyo.) dj krush. .....just off the top of me head..... etc. best, dt / splattercell
2002-02-27 by Dennis Gunn
splattercell wrote: >re: the japanese music-marketplace, someone asked: > >>Isn't there anything a bit more "serious" out there? >well, of course there is. for starters, one might try: >ryuichi sakamoto. >yoshiro hanno. >toru takemitsu. >nobukazi takemura. >kk null (and others from the osaka 'noise' scene, a la the boredoms.....) >hamza el-din (egyptian by birth, lives in tokyo.) >dj krush. >.....just off the top of me head..... Add "Ruins" (or any other band with Yoshida Tatsuya) Otomo Yoshihide Haino Keiji Melt Bannana Hoppy Kamiyama Altered States Endo Michiro Fomoflo (I play in that one) Zeni Geba DemiSemiQuaver And a score of others, BUT Joeri asked about "well selling" and those people are all highly eclectic acts that have larger followings outside Japan than within and even in the places where they are most popular their fan basses are small groups of hard core fans. BTW the Japan noise movement (of which I was once considered a part) is no more an Osaka phenomenon than it is a Tokyo one. Like I said in my original post there are plenty of brilliant highly creative Japanese acts but they are totally ignored by the mainstream machine although most of them have members that actually eek out their livings in the japan studio world. Joari asked why so many people hate the Majors and I was simply explaining what it is I hate about them. He said there is a reason why the majors are major and I agree with that too. Here the reason is that they are totally free to manipulate the market and flood it with crap while letting the real thing starve. There is one interesting side effect though. Interesting artists here know they do not have a snowball's chance of getting a deal with the majors so they never feel even slightly tempted to compromise and the result of that is often totally full on abstract inaccessible insanity that is a wonder to behold.
2002-02-27 by Joeri Vankeirsbilck
Thanks to everyone for the lists of names! I only knew one: Ruichi Sakamoto. >BUT Joeri asked about "well selling" and those >people are all highly eclectic acts that have larger followings >outside Japan than within and even in the places where they are most >popular their fan basses are small groups of hard core fans. > Aha... I'm curious to know e.g. the Japanese Backstreet Boys, the Japanese Britney Spears... "things" like that. Cheap mainstream pop for mass consumption. Do the names at the site of Avex represent such acts? >Joari asked why so many people hate the Majors and I was simply >explaining what it is I hate about them. > Yes, and it's a valid argument. I still didn't have the time to reply... hopefully tomorrow. Bye, Joeri -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@... Belway Productions - http://www.belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM
2002-02-27 by texture444@aol.com
dg, >Add >"Ruins" (or any other band with Yoshida Tatsuya) >Otomo Yoshihide >Haino Keiji >Melt Bannana >Hoppy Kamiyama >Altered States >Endo Michiro >Fomoflo (I play in that one) >Zeni Geba >DemiSemiQuaver thanks for that! >And a score of others, BUT Joeri asked about "well selling" right; i was just responding to someone's query, which went thusly: > >>Isn't there anything a bit more "serious" out there? >and those >people are all highly eclectic acts that have larger followings >outside Japan than within and even in the places where they are most >popular their fan basses are small groups of hard core fans. right. >BTW the >Japan noise movement (of which I was once considered a part) is no >more an Osaka phenomenon than it is a Tokyo one. ah!, okay. it's been about two years since i was there..... >Like I said in my original post there are plenty of brilliant highly >creative Japanese acts but they are totally ignored by the mainstream >machine although most of them have members that actually eek out >their livings in the japan studio world. gee, that sounds familiar..... kinda like the rest of the world, eh? >Joari asked why so many people hate the Majors and I was simply >explaining what it is I hate about them. He said there is a reason >why the majors are major and I agree with that too. Here the reason >is that they are totally free to manipulate the market and flood it >with crap while letting the real thing starve. ..... still sounds familiar. and: no-one has mentioned the sickening (and seemingly incessant) proliferation of execs/A&R folk at the majors who: a) unlike the artists they represent, have regular income, expense accts. & guaranteed medical-insurance plans, and b) often act as if *they* are -in deed- the raison d'etre for the 'music industry', and the centerpieces, therein. and: whilst i rail, here: many of the 'minors' (ie, 'independents') with whom i have regular contact ---while showily espousing a quasi-alternative to the 'majors'--- seem to be merely 'ladies-in-waiting': wanna-be's: also-ran's: etc..... >There is one >interesting side effect though. Interesting artists here know they >do not have a snowball's chance of getting a deal with the majors so >they never feel even slightly tempted to compromise still sounds somewhat familiar..... >and the result of >that is often totally full on abstract inaccessible insanity that is >a wonder to behold. excellent. best, dt / splattercell
2002-02-27 by texture444@aol.com
joeri, >Thanks to everyone for the lists of names! I only knew one: Ruichi >Sakamoto. .....don't mean to be picayune, here, but - as the mis-spelling has now been repeated: that's *ryuichi* sakamoto. (a compatriot of mine, and..... i'm also a 'fan'). best, dt / splattercell
2002-02-27 by Joeri Vankeirsbilck
> > >>Thanks to everyone for the lists of names! I only knew one: Ruichi >>Sakamoto. >> >.....don't mean to be picayune, here, but - as the mis-spelling has now been >repeated: >that's *ryuichi* sakamoto. > :-) I knew it was wrong...I just had no clue how to write it correctly. My apologies. Cheers, Joeri -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@... Belway Productions - http://www.belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM
2002-02-28 by Wilson Zorn
Pizzicato Five and Cibo Mato are also quite good while quite accessible. Aren't Kid 606 and Cornelius Japanese?
> >>Isn't there anything a bit more "serious" out there? > well, of course there is. for starters, one might try: > ryuichi sakamoto. > yoshiro hanno. > toru takemitsu. > nobukazi takemura. > kk null (and others from the osaka 'noise' scene, a la the boredoms.....) > hamza el-din (egyptian by birth, lives in tokyo.) > dj krush. > .....just off the top of me head..... > etc. > best, > dt / splattercell