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Re: [L-OT] LAWP: What Mac to get?

Re: [L-OT] LAWP: What Mac to get?

2002-07-02 by Mark Lennox

> I still run Acid in virtual PC, and transfer the loops to logic sometimes,
> you can also get a cheap network card for the PC and connect the 2
> together...
Ah! sounds good!

WHats the deal with accessing audio interfaces? Do you treat Virutal PC like
a real PC and install all your drivers etc?

The more I look at this the less bitter the pill (sorta...) - hey, I was
considering Macifying for a while anyway, cost and inconvenience is the only
thing stopping me...

Just have to see how the whole thing pans out now. Ill lurk on the LUG for a
little while (nice aliteration:))  and see what Mac users who switch have to
say

I really dont like those Max 'switch' ads, but thats my geek side talking :)

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Re: [L-OT] LAWP: What Mac to get?

2002-07-02 by Sumit Das

> If us PC users with a fairly decent system were to swap to Mac, what
system
> would we need to get so that we see an increase in processing power to
> justify the cost of upgrading?
>
> Or another way of asking it - any Mac users capable o using multiple
VSTi's,
> plugins and playing back at least 10 audio tracks and maybe recording at
> least four at a time, what systems do you have? Dual G4? Less??
>
> Just need a guide line to see exactly how much this jump might cost me :(

I have an updated but still fairly slothlike mac:
Power PC 8500/120 with 450MHz G4 CPU Sonnet upgrade card.
CPU is good, but system buss is VERY slow.  My audio card is
an audiowerk8, so I can't record more than 2 tracks at a time.

I don't run very heavy projects (yet), but last night I believe I was
running
about 6 audio tracks, a couple of ESMs,  a couple of ESX24s, one EVP88,
a compressor, and an expander.  Both CPU and disk were at less than
25%.  Not too bad, really.

   -smeet

Re: [L-OT] LAWP: What Mac to get?

2002-07-03 by Hendrik Jan Veenstra

>If us PC users with a fairly decent system were to swap to Mac, what 
>system would we need to get so that we see an increase in processing 
>power to justify the cost of upgrading?
>Or another way of asking it - any Mac users capable o using multiple 
>VSTi's, plugins and playing back at least 10 audio tracks and maybe 
>recording at least four at a time, what systems do you have? Dual 
>G4? Less??

I have a (relatively) oldy G4/350 - not something you would buy 
nowadays - but it's still performing rather well.  I never did exact 
tests to see when I ran out of CPU, but a bunch of VSTi's is no 
problem at all -- depending on the kind of VSTi of course.  An EXS 
without filters is less heavy on the CPU than a complex softsynth is. 
Ditto with a bunch of Reverbs, EQs and such.  No spectacular numbers, 
but with some fiddling and bouncing of the most heavy CPU tasks, it 
gets the job done.
Track-count is no problem, and is not really processor dependent of 
course.  And I wouldn't know about recording -- I only ever record 
one track at a time, but suppose that recording multiple tracks also 
isn't CPU dependent.

I know the above isn't very helpful in that it doesn't contain exact 
numbers and precise info on what you should buy.  It does make clear 
however the difference between a 350 MHz Mac and a 350 MHz Pentium. 
Extrapolate all you want from that...
Based on my own experience and reading the LUG for some years, my 
guess would be that you would be happy enough with the later Macs. 
Esp. the Dual G4/1Gig seems like a dreammachine.  Maybe rather 
expensive at the moment, but if indeed Apple comes with a new 
productline (as I just read in the LUG), then the prices might very 
well come down considerably.

What I would do in your case is: 1) wait a bit.  LAW5.2 might very 
well still see the light of day, and after that you can happily work 
with it for months to come.  If 5.2 is the last version before the 
takeover, I doubt we will see a 5.3 (be it Mac only or not) very 
soon, so we'll all be in the same boat there, Mac and Win users 
alike.  And when the time comes you feel the need to upgrade (read: 
switch platform) the Dual 1 Gig should be way cheaper than it is now. 
So 2) you could (should) then go to a good dealer who has Macs 
running Logic, and simply work with it for an hour or so for 
yourself, to see what the system's limits are in terms of Plugin 
count and such.  There's no experience like your own experience...

My guess would be that the need to upgrade won't arise before January 
(at its earliest) or maybe even next summer.  Also dependant on the 
crossgrade option Apple will hopefully (and probably) offer to 
Windows users of course.  If the crossgrade offer is only valid until 
October 30th, then you're basically screwed ...

Man, I'm so glad I already have a Mac...  Wouldn't want to be in your shoes...

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
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Re: [L-OT] LAWP: What Mac to get?

2002-07-03 by Sumit Das

> >If us PC users with a fairly decent system were to swap to Mac, what
> >system would we need to get so that we see an increase in processing
> >power to justify the cost of upgrading?
>
> What I would do in your case is: 1) wait a bit

Good advice.  If you want a Mac, wait until the new ones come out, and get
the 933MHz G4 (the price sweet spot)  for nice and cheap during the
clearance
sales.  If you know an Apple employee, they have a great employee discount
program that they actually encourage employees to extend to their friends,
which
brings the price of G4 down by 30%, that's within the PC ballpark (the
933MHz
is $1800USD).

But definitely, wait until the smoke clears before doing anything...  The
world
is changing, don't side with anybody yet, we can't tell who is a dinosaur
and
who is a mammal right now...

   -smeet

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