Hi
Sorry ... but I really didn't/don't think the issue about what Joeri was
trying to do, and what Rob seemed to want a bit more of, was whether it was
a great idea or not. I thought the issue was, rather, how to enforce it for
the betterment of the list. How is 'OT-ness' to be effectively policed?
> I'm just thinking aloud here but aren't the following topics essentially
off-topic as far as Logic is concerned and therefore should be confined to
this list.
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> > I look forward to more bickering about microphone's
> and the best speed at which to burn a CD :-).
Far as I can see, if a person asks about e.g. audio objects and recording,
someone or other is sure to suggest that maybe they get a better mic --
and even suggest a model. Someone else is sure to suggest a different one.
Don't see how original suggestion could be classed as OT. The issue is,
therefore, at what point does anyone step in and say 'over to the OT list
now guys'? And ... who is to decide?
> Similarly for those endless discussions re the minutiae of hard-drive
specifications, SCSI/firewire speeds, and so on. Perhaps there should be a
separate
> non-emagic-hardware-tweaks-and-intellectual-debate list or something.
Same problem -- especially when newbie asks. 'Manual says I should get 40+
audio tracks but I can only get 10'. And ... off we go again. Don't see how
original question can possibly be classed as OT. Is entirely related to
Logic. Who is going to 'nip it in the bud' and say: 'all answers on OT list
please'. Questioner and Answerer likely to resent it, actually. Quite
understandably, won't see how or why it's OT. (At least ... in the
beginning).
> So many of the Logic gurus on the list seemed to get dragged into
sometimes interesting but always largely Logic-irrelevant proud,
one-upmanship-type
> arguments on emagic update policy, business tactics, philosophy,
scientific method, etc etc.
True. But usually begins as genuine attempt to answer genuine problem.
Nobody wants to see other people fomenting misinformation. If an seems
misinformed then you are surely as likely as anyone to step in and 'correct'
it. And off we go again. That's how most such debates get started (seems to
me, at any rate). At what point does one say: 'over to OT list?' When first
suggestion comes, or when correction comes, or when correction to correction
comes?
> There have been so many great Logic-centric discussions on the main list
that are helping everyone to further their understanding of a great
program... but it's
> like searching for needles in a haystack a lot of the time.
Easy enough to agree. Very difficult to see what -- PRACTICAL -- can be
done. -- which, I _thought_, was what was originally asked.
Only way I can see to ban e.g. 'best hard drive' type questions is a lot
more policing by Joeri. But don't see this as practical. That's all I said.
Very much more importantly, do not see it as a 'good' way to create a
'pleasant' atmosphere. We will definitely end up with a lot more posts about
'secret police' and 'over-the-top moderators.
That's all I tried to say. Never disagreed that 'more effective' moderating
would be kind of nice ... just said 'who, where, when, how' and tried to
point to consequences.
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From: "Mike Connelly" <mpc@...>
To: <logic-ot@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: [L-OT] What is off-topic?
> >> My point is: keep OT stuff where it belongs.
> >Yes ..... but the big problem is setting up criteria for what is OT. You
> >want to moderate this? Don't think Joeri wants to do this. Do you Joeri?
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> Looks like Joeri does, and I think it's a great idea...
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> >Because of several threads that we all had to deal with on the LUG, I've
> >decided to make the list policy more strict and to apply the rules more
> >strictly. I'll use the moderation tools strictly from now on to push
> >this list in a positive direction. Name-calling, "political" threads and
> >many other problematic topics will be moderated immediately. If an
> >individual has to go to maintain "peace" on this list, I will have no
> >problems in banning him. There are 4400+ subscribers on this list and it
> >seems to be the only way to make it work.
> >
> >I also kindly ask everyone to post less OT mails. There's been quite a
> >high "noise ratio" lately. I hope we can all get back on topic and help
> >eachother out on Logic-related subjects. This list is made BY Logic
> >users FOR Logic-users, so it'll only be as good as we make it!!!
> >
> >Any comments on this should be sent to me privately, please do not
> >bother the list with it. You can mail me at joeri@... I'll do
> >my best to reply to each mail I get, although it might take some time.
> >
> >Bye,
> >Joeri
> >--
> >Joeri Vankeirsbilck
> >joeri@...
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> I support this 100% - the only way the list will stay on topic is if the
> admin tells people to stop OT threads, then moderates anyone who continues
> these threads after being warned.
>
> Mike
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