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I am thinking about buying Cubase SX just to try out, as I am still an
avid Logic User.  I was wondering if someone who purchased the
crossgrade could tell me if there is anything that would prevent me from
selling it after I test it out.

Paul Stephenson

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From: Howard Wooten [mailto:hwooten@...] 
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Subject: [L-OT] Re: [LUG] LAM/GEN: New VST Instruments


>   From: Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...>
>
>Thoughts from the mind of TazmnianDv@..., 13-09-2002:
>
>>  >Man... when on earth did I write the above quote?  A year ago or
so?
>>  >Or more?  Things coming back to haunt you... :-)
>>
>>You're a legend!  All these clever witticisms over the years are being
>>reviewed for gems of wisdom, which may later be condensed to "Best of
HK"
>>book.
>
>LOL! :-)  But, ehrm... it's "HJ" actualy :-)


Artistic license.......

The publisher will have final decision on the name, you have no choice
in
the matter. They may also choose to edit and/or rewrite the entire
contents.

<g>

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>   From: "Paul Stephenson" <pauls@...> 
>
>I should have asked my question better.  I meant is there anything that
>will prevent me from selling the crossgrade version of Cubase SX.  I am
>concerned about buying the upgrade, and then not being able to turn
>around and sell it.  That would mean I would have two sequencers for
>Windows, and not be using either (assuming I switch to OSX and Logic).
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Paul Stephenson

Hi Paul,

There's nothing to prevent you from selling SX later. In fact, Steinberg
offers a transfer of ownership deal that will let the buyer re-register the
program under their name. There is a $50 fee required but after that the
new owner is considered a full registered user.

Quite some time ago I purchased Cubase in this manner and then upgraded it
to SX when it came out. Steinberg allows upgraders to keep their copy of
Cubase (including the dongle/key). Buying a Mac is out the question here,
for one I have three PCs an office type machine, a mobile recording system
and a studio machine. I miss Logic but have already moved on.

Howard

Howard

>I have three PCs an office type machine, a mobile recording system
>and a studio machine. I miss Logic but have already moved on.

So what was the point of moving on?  If you prefer cubase that's one 
thing.   But If you actually prefer logic you are just punishing 
yourself and and for what?  Meanwhile the development continues at 
emagic and the Windows updates keep coming.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Murray McDowall" <murraymc@...>
To: <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: [L-OT] Re: [OT] Cubase SX Crossgrade question


> Dennis Gunn wrote:
> >Howard
> >
> >>I have three PCs an office type machine, a mobile recording system
> >>and a studio machine. I miss Logic but have already moved on.
> >
> >So what was the point of moving on?  If you prefer cubase that's one
> >thing.   But If you actually prefer logic you are just punishing
> >yourself and and for what?  Meanwhile the development continues at
> >emagic and the Windows updates keep coming.
>
> While I think this is quite sensible advice, I for one will be taking
> advantage of the crossgrade.
>
> Here are a few of my reasons:
>
> 1. I don't want all my eggs in one basket -- especially one under the
> control of Apple.
>
> 2. Cubase is a VST host which can (as I understand it) accept input to  a
> whole set of VSTis at once. It can thus make a very useful extension to a
> single Logic machine --eg run a whole bank of samplers and VSTi's with
> whatever additional processing you like on a second machine. Cubase SX is
> more consistently compatible with VST'is whereas Logic often has a few
> teething problems with new ones from the smaller developers.
>
> 3. Cubase has a set of features which will never come to Logic PC are
there
> in SX -- eg render to file non realtime -- which speeds the chore of
> bouncing and allows you to complete mixes which would overtax your
machine.
>
> 4. If you have a set of VSTi's and other software which runs only on PC
> then even if you eventually cave in to Apple and buy a Mac to run Logic
you
> can still use your PC only software and any PC only developments which are
> yet to come.
>
> 5. At the current price this opportunity it is too attractive to pass up.
>
> 6.  By joining the mass of switchers taking the crossgrade you can get
some
> help from your fellows -- eg the LAW to SX list on Yahoo is really quite
> helpful.
>
> Regards,
> Murray
>
> LAW to SX list? How do I subscribe?

Thanks.
JW.

>
>
>
>
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>   From: Dennis Gunn <dennisg@...>

>Howard
>
>>I have three PCs an office type machine, a mobile recording system
>>and a studio machine. I miss Logic but have already moved on.
>
>So what was the point of moving on?  If you prefer cubase that's one 
>thing.   But If you actually prefer logic you are just punishing 
>yourself and and for what?  Meanwhile the development continues at 
>emagic and the Windows updates keep coming.

Hi Dennis.

The studio I work part-time at has always used Cubase so I became
accustomed using it there, it was much easier to transfer work home and
back. Also, Cubase is a lot more full featured (at least w/MIDI) than SX
is, and I actually like Cubase for many things. I stopped the Logic upgrade
path at 4.8x and made the switch instead of going to version 5. What I miss
are some of Logic's convenient MIDI features and well thought out key
commands. Cubase can do most of the same things Logic can but it takes a
little more work, some things Cubase does much easier, it depends on how
you work. I'm much more of a "traditional" musician in the fact that I play
most everything, degree in music....etc. I think I've only used a pre-made
loop once, in a television commercial. I'm thinking about purchasing Acid
and moving into the 90's. :-)

One of my links references a standard "The Very Thought of You", that's how
traditional I am. <g> 

When I first bought Logic, (a MIDI only version) it seemed a program
designed for musicians by musicians... In it's recent incarnations Logic's
new features seem geared more towards dance and newer styles. Two things I
used on a regular basis: 1. External Editing and, 2. Syncing to an external
source have both been trashed since version 4.xx. Actually external sync
worked well up until the unified MIDI engine of version 4.7. I still have
version 4.6.1 on my machine as it's the last reliable version with external
sync.  

And as others have mentioned, I don't want all my eggs in one basket, I'm
sticking with PCs so why not support a company that supports me.

Howard, (in love/hate relationship w/logic) 

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Dennis Gunn wrote:
>Howard
>
>>I have three PCs an office type machine, a mobile recording system
>>and a studio machine. I miss Logic but have already moved on.
>
>So what was the point of moving on?  If you prefer cubase that's one 
>thing.   But If you actually prefer logic you are just punishing 
>yourself and and for what?  Meanwhile the development continues at 
>emagic and the Windows updates keep coming.

While I think this is quite sensible advice, I for one will be taking
advantage of the crossgrade.

Here are a few of my reasons:

1. I don't want all my eggs in one basket -- especially one under the
control of Apple.

2. Cubase is a VST host which can (as I understand it) accept input to  a
whole set of VSTis at once. It can thus make a very useful extension to a
single Logic machine --eg run a whole bank of samplers and VSTi's with
whatever additional processing you like on a second machine. Cubase SX is
more consistently compatible with VST'is whereas Logic often has a few
teething problems with new ones from the smaller developers.

3. Cubase has a set of features which will never come to Logic PC are there
in SX -- eg render to file non realtime -- which speeds the chore of
bouncing and allows you to complete mixes which would overtax your machine.

4. If you have a set of VSTi's and other software which runs only on PC
then even if you eventually cave in to Apple and buy a Mac to run Logic you
can still use your PC only software and any PC only developments which are
yet to come.

5. At the current price this opportunity it is too attractive to pass up.

6.  By joining the mass of switchers taking the crossgrade you can get some
help from your fellows -- eg the LAW to SX list on Yahoo is really quite
helpful.

Regards,
Murray

JWwrote:

>> LAW to SX list? How do I subscribe?

<mailto:law-to-sx-subscribe@yahoogroups.com>

You could try clicking the above or just go to  Yahoo groups 

http://groups.yahoo.com/

and search for law-to-SX and then subscribe to the list or the digest just as
you did for the L-OT list.

Regards,
Murray

> Dennis Gunn wrote:
>> Howard
>>
>>> I have three PCs an office type machine, a mobile recording system
>>> and a studio machine. I miss Logic but have already moved on.
>>
>> So what was the point of moving on?  If you prefer cubase that's one
>> thing.   But If you actually prefer logic you are just punishing
>> yourself and and for what?  Meanwhile the development continues at
>> emagic and the Windows updates keep coming.
>
> While I think this is quite sensible advice, I for one will be taking
> advantage of the crossgrade.
>
> Here are a few of my reasons:
>
> 1. I don't want all my eggs in one basket -- especially one under the
> control of Apple.

Control...LOL..Pahleessse!!!

No, my friend...

The early bird may get the worm...But the second mouse got the cheese.

Peace,
Alexis

>   From: Alexis Aiosa <wirehead1@...>
>
>> Dennis Gunn wrote:
>>> Howard
>>>
>>>> I have three PCs an office type machine, a mobile recording system
>>>> and a studio machine. I miss Logic but have already moved on.
>>>
>>> So what was the point of moving on?  If you prefer cubase that's one
>>> thing.   But If you actually prefer logic you are just punishing
>>> yourself and and for what?  Meanwhile the development continues at
>>> emagic and the Windows updates keep coming.
>>
>> While I think this is quite sensible advice, I for one will be taking
>> advantage of the crossgrade.
>>
>> Here are a few of my reasons:
>>
>> 1. I don't want all my eggs in one basket -- especially one under the
>> control of Apple.
>
>Control...LOL..Pahleessse!!!
>
>No, my friend...
>
>The early bird may get the worm...But the second mouse got the cheese.


As usual, you don't know what you're talking about. 

And.... you have the quotes wrong as well. The quotes above are from three
different people, myself, Dennis and Murray, (in that order). 

Please try and be accurate.

HW

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Alex wrote:

>> 1. I don't want all my eggs in one basket -- especially one under the
>> control of Apple.
>
>Control...LOL..Pahleessse!!!
>
>No, my friend...
>
>The early bird may get the worm...But the second mouse got the cheese.

But that was only because the cat was away! 
And modern medications can eliminate bird worms.
Please research your anthropomorphisms more thoroughly in future.
Emagic claims Apple forced them to discontinue Windows development.

BTW 
Has anyone else read the rather hilarious piece on OS-X in August CM. Talks
all about the silly people on the LUG who got all upset about Emagic
discontinuing VST support. Apparently we all "missed the point" -- this was
only a possibility. And there is a lovely picture of Gerhard who says how
much he likes Core-audio etc. This mag went on sale last week here in Oz.

> Alex wrote: <----No it is Alexis, not Alex.
>>> 1. I don't want all my eggs in one basket -- especially one under the
>>> control of Apple.
>>
>> Control...LOL..Pahleessse!!!
>>
>> No, my friend...
>>
>> The early bird may get the worm...But the second mouse got the cheese.
>

murr wrote:

> But that was only because the cat was away!

No, the cat was there, SUNNing, himself when the dilemma that 
transpired.

> And modern medications can eliminate bird worms.

The bird that hunts worms...not the bird that gets worms...LOL.

> Please research your anthropomorphisms more thoroughly in future.

Please research more throughly...LOL...You should think before 
attempting this rather benign insult.  The meaning is, the Early bird 
gets the worm.  Bird wakes up early, sees worm and swoops down to eat 
it.  Unless it is Charlie Byrd, then of course, he was to stoned to 
care.

However, the way I put it does make sense...if you "think different" 
about it...LOL.

So, "The Early bird MAY get the worm".  But, in this case, you were the 
first mouse, ya went for the cheese, SNAP, the trap went down on your 
head, now your squirming about...Now the second mouse walks by and gets 
the cheese.  I am sorry this happened to you and others...I know it is 
a bummer and I can relate.  I have been an avid mac user since the 
'80's.  Try being a Mac user for 18 years.  If anything, you will find 
more allies in the Mac world that can relate to this.  And yes, I do 
use PC's.  So I am well aware of the PC market.

Yet Apple did make some of their software as a port to Windows.  But, 
no one gave a crap.  No one cared for the attempts that Apple has made 
in the past at creating Windows product.  Do you remember Claris?  
Eventually, Apple let them go as a separate entity.  [Okay Claris, time 
to swim on your own.]  And though quicktime is supported for windows, 
still a lot of Windows users use Windows media player.  Kind of hard to 
compete with a behemoth like MS.  Especially when everything you do, is 
counter acted by MS in other ways.

> Emagic claims Apple forced them to discontinue Windows development.

Yeah, yeah, yeah...And Dan Quail is member of MENSA.   LOL.

Look, Apple's "control" over Emagic is way more lenient than one 
thinks.  Think just with objectivity and NOT with your subjective 
emotions with regards to your personal dilemma of losing Logic to the 
Mac. It could have been far worse when one considers these type of 
business deals.  As far as I am concerned, Emagic should be really 
pleased and grateful that Apple has kept the company relatively in 
tact.  Most other companies would have sliced through Emagic with a 
chain saw.  Brutally, taking the company apart piece by piece till 
there was nothing left..  Basically, like a bunch of Huns raping and 
pillaging a small village.  Which, btw, MS has done in the past with 
most of their acquisitions.  But Apple's acquisition of Emagic was 
probably far more lenient, than other offers that came down the pipe.  
That's why Apple got the cheese.

If this hadn't happened.  Right about now...Mike and Marcus would 
probably both be working at Steinberg, NI or maybe they'd join the 
forces of the Propellerheads team.  Or they both would just be looking 
for jobs in a limp economy.  Most of the talent at Emagic would all be 
spread out thinly, among other companies or looking for jobs, and yet 
all their past developments would be held, by copyright LAWS, as 
concepts that they could not use in other software developments.  Try 
imagining that...All their creations sucked up into oblivion and no 
longer available to them, cause they are prohibited to use them.  The 
Chuck Berry's of the software industries.  And Dr. G. Lengling would go 
back to being a professor at the local University, and chase college 
skirts around.  Yet, be eating top ramen for lunch everyday.

No, MS is by FAR more "controlling" than any other company you can 
think of related to this industry.  Look into it...you will find a 
history of very "Controlling" and "Deliberate" tactics to phase out 
competition.  Not to mention other tactful practices.  If you think 
Apple's marketing of "switching" is bad...huh, look at MS marketing.  
In fact MS's marketing is better, especially when one compares MS's 
rather large list of shortcomings.  No, MS has the market and has 
positioned themselves so well, that 90% of the world uses Windows.  
90%!  Now that's marketing...LOL.

Yet, PC users don't really choose their OS, just LIKE Mac users don't 
choose theirs.  Think about it... Both you and I, a PC and a Mac user, 
we both can choose to install Linux right now.  But both of us will 
just be twiddling our thumbs, till the cows come home.  Yet, the cows 
will come home sooner...LOL.  If anyones is to blame for no Linux 
software, it would have to be MS marketing,  business deals and 
tactics.  When have you ever gone to Fry's [or where ever one goes] and 
seen Linux running on a PC?  When? Yeah, you can purchase Linux, in a 
box, tucked away in corner.  But you won't see it running on any of the 
machines.  Or you may find Linux running on some machines in small PC 
shop, which basically runs its ship below the radars of MS.  No, you 
can't blame Apple, cause Apple at least Embraced the Penguin.  Apple 
didn't Fear the Penguin, MS did.  If anything, MS assassins secretly 
attempted to kill the Penguin.  But luckily just strafed his fin, 
because Apple security was on alert and secured the penguin from the 
flying bullet.  [Now, why would anybody try to be so cruel as to kill 
that cute little Penguin...cute little penguin flopping its fins 
around...hurting nobody, just trying to help with open fins.  I just 
wanna hug it...and hug the penguin, I did.]  Yet also, to think one 
would want to block out the SUNN...really.  I guess you one doesn't 
respect the shinning rays of the SUNN when one lives in Seattle.  LOL.

Yet a company you could be pissed at is Gibson.  Because they've been 
just squatting on top of Opcode and won't sell the company or its 
technology.  Apple made an offer...and Gibson just didn't want to let 
it go.  Why?  It's absurd.  Gibson does nothing with the company, and 
the concept is now literally dead technology.  That right there forced 
a lot of SVpro users to switch software.  [See, the Mac users knows 
this game...especially if they were an SVpro user of lore.]  Yet, if 
Apple were successful at buying Opcode.  Then today, the "Final Cut 
Pro" of music making would be SVPro.  [Which means, I might have 
switched to SVpro...yet another possible reason why Emagic should be 
grateful...imagine losing a slew of Mac Users to SVPro, if Apple made 
that into a viable product].  But then, WHO would have bought Emagic, 
during this recent dilemma, if Apple successfully pulled SVpro out of 
the trenches?  So, quite possibly, we would ALL just be sitting on 
nothing but a bunch of boxes filled with dead software and hardware, 
from a company the went "Kaplewy".  No Apple is doing good by 
Emagic...Probably better than than we anticipated, despite this Windows 
overture.  And if things don't pan out for you in the Cubase world or 
where ever you end up.  At least you still have choice to go back to 
old faithful, by way of getting a Mac.  Yet, I thought point of buying 
logic was because it was best.  And since our music is more important.  
Than we make sacrifice for the music.  So, using this old LUG rhetoric, 
it shouldn't matter what we use...right?  Or is this just a bunch of 
baloney that people make up to keep the peace.  Yet, it is funny how 
Steinberg is being viewed as some sort of savior for PC/Logic 
users...when clearly most PC/Logic users have been purposely avoiding 
Cubase for years.  Doh!!!  Barrrrrt!

As far VST is concerned...it is not completely out of the realm of 
possibility that VST could be replaced by something else.  Really.  
Some jacked up Cyber Freak could feasibly come out with some Steroid 
pumped code that takes VST out of the running.  In a snap of the 
fingers, we would all be using it.  Despite AU or VST, Mac or PC...we 
would all be using it.  Because adapting is part of the process of 
staying alive.

Peace, and really...good luck with all that.
Alexis

So what happened to you properly quoting...

Wirehead1 or shmuckhead1 Wrote:  <-----my name goes here...right?
>> Control...LOL..Pahleessse!!!
>>
>> No, my friend...
>>
>> The early bird may get the worm...But the second mouse got the cheese.

Howard Wooten wrote:  <---this better
> As usual, you don't know what you're talking about.

Aaahhh, yes...Howie the Omniscient, the all knowing and awe consuming 
wealth of knowledge.  We have all really learned so much from you...oh, 
mighty god that you are.  We shall forever build alters in your 
name...oh great one.  Forgive us for being able to use Logic on our 
macs.  We live in sin.  Please don't strike us down with your mighty 
blast of Windows capable Cubase code.

Howard Wooten wrote:  <---I'll put it here to.
> And.... you have the quotes wrong as well. The quotes above are from 
> three
> different people, myself, Dennis and Murray, (in that order).

Excuse please oh master of LUG.

Howard Wooten wrote:  <---And put it here to, so we don't confuse it to 
much.
> Please try and be accurate.

Oh, well, since you asked nicely, next time I will.  But too late for 
the last one.  And since I am a sinner, I won't apologize.

Yah, yah...I know what going to say...fairly predictable.  I will sleep 
through that one.
Alexis

Alexis Aiosa wrote:
>Aaahhh, yes...Howie the Omniscient, the all knowing and awe consuming
>wealth of knowledge.  We have all really learned so much from you...oh,
>mighty god that you are.  We shall forever build alters in your
>name...oh great one.  Forgive us for being able to use Logic on our
>macs.  We live in sin.  Please don't strike us down with your mighty
>blast of Windows capable Cubase code.

How old are you?

>As far as I am concerned, Emagic should be really
>pleased and grateful that Apple has kept the company relatively in
>tact.

Completely intact.


>Yet a company you could be pissed at is Gibson.  Because they've been
>just squatting on top of Opcode and won't sell the company or its
>technology.  Apple made an offer...and Gibson just didn't want to let
>it go.  Why?  It's absurd.  Gibson does nothing with the company, and
>the concept is now literally dead technology.

This is true.  In many ways Vision was the nicest sequencer ever.  I 
can't understand Gibson at all.  I have long had friends who work for 
them and no one can figure out what the fuck they are doing.  Not 
just Opcode but Oberheim and a bunch of others.

> Alexis Aiosa wrote:
>> Aaahhh, yes...Howie the Omniscient, the all knowing and awe consuming
>> wealth of knowledge.  We have all really learned so much from 
>> you...oh,
>> mighty god that you are.  We shall forever build alters in your
>> name...oh great one.  Forgive us for being able to use Logic on our
>> macs.  We live in sin.  Please don't strike us down with your mighty
>> blast of Windows capable Cubase code.
>

Dennis wrote:
> How old are you?

You know Dennis, I have often asked my self the same question.  All I 
can say at this moment is, some people just bring out the best in 
me...LOL.

Peace,
Alexis

Frankinscense and murr scribed in the book of tombs:
> LOL -- Murr  that takes me back.
>
> When I was a very young child I lived in the USA and my neighbours
> abbreviated my name to Murr and pronounced it as in gold, frankincense 
> and
> myrrh  ... I'm sure you get the picture.
>
> Alex -- this has been lots of laughs -- I will always know who to come 
> to
> when I want to trade non-sequiturs.

Great, I just didn't want you to get the impression that I am out for 
some blood thirsty war here.  So I tried to use a bit of humor to 
lighten my opinion on the subject.  But I do understand your pain.  
Been there and done that.  It sucks.

> (rhymes with hurry and worry)

Peace,
Alexis

Dennis quotes me:
>> As far as I am concerned, Emagic should be really
>> pleased and grateful that Apple has kept the company relatively in
>> tact.
>
> Completely intact.

Well, I used the word "relatively" intact, because of the Windows 
thing.  I felt that was a bit of shave off the company.  But yes, still 
Completely intact.

>> Yet a company you could be pissed at is Gibson.  Because they've been
>> just squatting on top of Opcode and won't sell the company or its
>> technology.  Apple made an offer...and Gibson just didn't want to let
>> it go.  Why?  It's absurd.  Gibson does nothing with the company, and
>> the concept is now literally dead technology.
>
> This is true.  In many ways Vision was the nicest sequencer ever.  I
> can't understand Gibson at all.  I have long had friends who work for
> them and no one can figure out what the fuck they are doing.  Not
> just Opcode but Oberheim and a bunch of others.

Gib·son   Pronunciation Key  (gib'sen) n.
[From the name Gibson.]

1. A dry martini garnished with a small pickled onion.
2. [Slang] n. A slang used by musician's to describe a village idiot. 
[ie:  don't be a gibson.] also:
3. [Slang] v. Yet another slang used by musician's in reference to 
eating a bran muffin, followed by drinking a rather large large cup of 
coffee.  To which the after effect of these two consumable items, leave 
a resounding, unpleasant vapor on the tour bus.
[ie:  The guitar player would say to a drummer.  "Hey, don't pull a 
gibson in there."].
See also:  Colon blow.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Gibson ruined it for me.

Peace,
Alexis





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Alex wrote:
>> Alex wrote: <----No it is Alexis, not Alex.
>>>> 1. I don't want all my eggs in one basket -- especially one under the
>>>> control of Apple.
>>>
>>> Control...LOL..Pahleessse!!!
>>>
>>> No, my friend...
>>>
>>> The early bird may get the worm...But the second mouse got the cheese.
>>
>
>murr wrote:
>
>> But that was only because the cat was away!
>
>No, the cat was there, SUNNing, himself when the dilemma that 
>transpired.
>
>> And modern medications can eliminate bird worms.
>
>The bird that hunts worms...not the bird that gets worms...LOL.
>
>> Please research your anthropomorphisms more thoroughly in future.
>
>Please research more throughly...LOL...You should think before 
>attempting this rather benign insult.  The meaning is, the Early bird 
>gets the worm.  Bird wakes up early, sees worm and swoops down to eat 
>it.  Unless it is Charlie Byrd, then of course, he was to stoned to 
>care.

LOL -- Murr  that takes me back. 

When I was a very young child I lived in the USA and my neighbours
abbreviated my name to Murr and pronounced it as in gold, frankincense and
myrrh  ... I'm sure you get the picture. 

Alex -- this has been lots of laughs -- I will always know who to come to
when I want to trade non-sequiturs.

Regards,
Murray
(rhymes with hurry and worry)

--- In logic-ot@y..., "Paul Stephenson" <pauls@m...> wrote:
> I am thinking about buying Cubase SX just to try out, as I am still 
an
> avid Logic User.  I was wondering if someone who purchased the
> crossgrade could tell me if there is anything that would prevent me 
from
> selling it after I test it out.
> 
> Paul Stephenson



Paul,

You may find that you like Cubase SX if you take the time to really 
get to know how it works.

I am one of the MANY, MANY PC Logic users who have switched to Cubase 
SX. Cubase SX is a very capable DAW program. Once I took the time to 
really get to know Cubase SX, I began to really like it. Now, even if 
EmApple announced that they were going to support the PC after-all, I 
would never switch back.

So, my advice is to take Steinberg up on their offer before it ends. 
Then take some time to really get to know the program. If you like as 
much as the large number of other PC Logic users who switched do, you 
won't have to switch to an expensive, slower Mac and can stay with 
the superior PC that you already own!

Best of luck.

Hi Dave! 
   As someone who's moved from logic to SX, were there any immediate 
weak points that jumped out at you that might affect others 
crossgrading to SX?

I figure that if I do eventually move my copy of logic to a mac next 
year, I'll still want some sort of PC workstation program to run in 
parallel via mLAN to run on my existing fast PC(s) to take load off 
the mac, and since emagic no longer sell Winlogic, this would 
presumably have to be the Steinberg product.

OTOH, if I /do/ keep the thing running under Windows, I'll probably 
want to commit to a platform that the software house consider to be 
current, which again sounds like getting Steinberg SX and keeping 
logic on another PC (or my laptop) just to run the emagic 
softinstruments.

So either way, migrate-to-mac or not, comparative info on SX would be 
appreciated.


--- In logic-ot@y..., "daveporter32043" <porterpe@m...> wrote:

> I am one of the MANY, MANY PC Logic users who have switched 
> to Cubase SX. Cubase SX is a very capable DAW program. Once 
> I took the time to really get to know Cubase SX, I began to 
> really like it. Now, even if EmApple announced that they 
> were going to support the PC after-all, I would never switch 
> back.

--- In logic-ot@y..., "Eric Baird" <eric_baird@c...> wrote:
> Hi Dave! 
>    As someone who's moved from logic to SX, were there any 
immediate 
> weak points that jumped out at you that might affect others 
> crossgrading to SX?
> 
> I figure that if I do eventually move my copy of logic to a mac 
next 
> year, I'll still want some sort of PC workstation program to run in 
> parallel via mLAN to run on my existing fast PC(s) to take load off 
> the mac, and since emagic no longer sell Winlogic, this would 
> presumably have to be the Steinberg product.
> 
> OTOH, if I /do/ keep the thing running under Windows, I'll probably 
> want to commit to a platform that the software house consider to be 
> current, which again sounds like getting Steinberg SX and keeping 
> logic on another PC (or my laptop) just to run the emagic 
> softinstruments.
> 
> So either way, migrate-to-mac or not, comparative info on SX would 
be 
> appreciated.
> 
> 
> --- In logic-ot@y..., "daveporter32043" <porterpe@m...> wrote:
> > I am one of the MANY, MANY PC Logic users who have switched 
> > to Cubase SX. Cubase SX is a very capable DAW program. Once 
> > I took the time to really get to know Cubase SX, I began to 
> > really like it. Now, even if EmApple announced that they 
> > were going to support the PC after-all, I would never switch 
> > back.


Eric,

I have found nothing that I could call a "weak point" to report to 
you. However, having said that, there are a number of differences 
between Logic and Cubase SX. As with most things in life, sometimes 
you have to give up something to get something. There is 
no "environment" to tweak in Cubase SX as there is in Logic. Also, 
the way software instruments are loaded in Cubase SX is different and 
not quite as convenient as in Logic.

Now with Cubase SX, Rewire 1 and 2 work great (and as you most likely 
know, Logic does not support Rewire 2 at all). Multiple outputs for 
VST instruments are much easier to use in Cubase SX then in Logic. 
Also, VST works great in Cubase SX and not very well in Logic in many 
cases. Cubase SX is also much easier to use...I just loaded it up and 
went to work without our ever reading the manual (or event he getting 
started guide).

As I said earlier, I believe that Cubase SX is a much better DAW then 
Logic now that I have taken the time to understand how it works.

With EMapple announcing that VST would not be supported in Logic for 
OSX, I can't believe that anyone would even consider switching from 
the Logic PC to Logic Mac. Also, the cost of Macs is so much greater 
then for an equivalent PC I didn't even consider the switch. I guess 
I'm not the only one that feels this way, from what I understand very 
few PC users took Apple up on its "Switch and Save" offer (in fact 
Apple has extended the offer for another month, IMHO because of the 
low rate of acceptance of the offer).

Best of luck.

Dave

Thanks for the info Dave, that was really useful

[Erk]

Hmm. The crossgrade cost of ~USD300 sounds like it might be a 
reasonable price to pay for a suite of half-decent VST 
softinstruments and effects, even if you decide to stick with logic.
 
Dunno, I suppose it depends on how good the included VST bits are, 
and how well they work under Winlogic and OS9logic (assuming that 
they /will/ work under logic ...)



--- In logic-ot@y..., "Paul Stephenson" <pauls@m...> wrote:
> I am thinking about buying Cubase SX just to try out, as I am still 
an
> avid Logic User.  I was wondering if someone who purchased the
> crossgrade could tell me if there is anything that would prevent me 
from
> selling it after I test it out.