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On Thursday, September 19, 2002, at 01:51 PM, logic-ot@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:

>   Description : This is an archive of all Logic-OT messages up to 
> #4483 on September 19th 2002. On Windows, the free program WinRAR can 
> extract archives of this type, and I believe StuffIt can extract this 
> on a Mac.

sounds like a good-bye

fare well

> >   Description : This is an archive of all Logic-OT messages up to 
> > #4483 on September 19th 2002. On Windows, the free program WinRAR 
> > can extract archives of this type, and I believe StuffIt can 
> > extract this on a Mac.

--- In logic-ot@y..., mercutio <mercutio@c...> wrote:
> sounds like a good-bye
> fare well


??? I'm not going anywhere. This archive is just in case the Yahoo 
Groups servers all simultaneously explode, or for anyone that wants 
to do off-line searching through all the messages. 

All the best,
Jeremy Martin
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On Thursday, September 19, 2002, at 03:33 PM,   wrote:

> ?? I'm not going anywhere. This archive is just in case the Yahoo
> Groups servers all simultaneously explode, or for anyone that wants
> to do off-line searching through all the messages

then perhaps you wouldn't mind making it available in a format that 
wasn't so pc specific.

At 02:51 PM 9/19/2002, you wrote:

>On Thursday, September 19, 2002, at 03:33 PM,   wrote:
>
> > ?? I'm not going anywhere. This archive is just in case the Yahoo
> > Groups servers all simultaneously explode, or for anyone that wants
> > to do off-line searching through all the messages
>
>then perhaps you wouldn't mind making it available in a format that
>wasn't so pc specific.

StuffIt can extract .tar.gz files, can't it?

I'm using that format because a) the emails are "harvested" on a Linux 
computer, and that's the native archive format.. it's not a 
Windows-specific format. Since OS X is UNIX based just like Linux, it 
wouldn't surprise me if it came with the tools needed to uncompress the 
file. And b) the compression it provides is better than any other program. 
It doesn't matter so much for smaller lists like Logic-OT, but the 
Logic-users archive with 119,000 messages is *huge*, and no other program 
can compress 297 megabytes down to 43. I tried with WinRAR (which is the 
best compression program I've found in Windows) and it only compressed it 
down to 55 or 60 megabytes if I remember correctly.

All the best,
Jeremy Martin; sadus@...
http://www.carrollsweb.com/sadus 

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> > ?? I'm not going anywhere. This archive is just in case the Yahoo
> > Groups servers all simultaneously explode, or for anyone that wants
> > to do off-line searching through all the messages
> 
> then perhaps you wouldn't mind making it available in a format 
> that wasn't so pc specific.

StuffIt can extract .tar.gz files, can't it?

I'm using that format because 

a) the emails are "harvested" on a Linux computer, and that's the native archive format.. Also, both Windows and Macs are PCs (personal computers), so posting it in a non-pc-specific format would make the archive useless for everyone. Finally, since OS X is partly UNIX like, just like Linux is, it wouldn't surprise me at all if OS X came with a built in tool to uncompress this type of file.

b) the compression it provides is better than any other program. It doesn't matter so much for smaller lists like Logic-OT, but the Logic-users archive with 119,000 messages is *huge*, and no other program can compress 297 megabytes down to 43. I tried with WinRAR (which is the best compression program I've found in Windows) and it only compressed it down to 55 or 60 megabytes if I remember correctly. 


All the best,
Jeremy Martin; sadus@...
http://www.carrollsweb.com/sadus

On Thursday, September 19, 2002, at 06:18 PM, Jeremy Martin wrote:

> StuffIt can extract .tar.gz files, can't it?

I stand corrected - it can do this.
>
> I'm using that format because
>
> a) the emails are "harvested" on a Linux computer, and that's the 
> native archive format.. Also, both Windows and Macs are PCs (personal 
> computers), so posting it in a non-pc-specific format would make the 
> archive useless for everyone. Finally, since OS X is partly UNIX like, 
> just like Linux is, it wouldn't surprise me at all if OS X came with a 
> built in tool to uncompress this type of file.
>
> b) the compression it provides is better than any other program. It 
> doesn't matter so much for smaller lists like Logic-OT, but the 
> Logic-users archive with 119,000 messages is *huge*, and no other 
> program can compress 297 megabytes down to 43. I tried with WinRAR 
> (which is the best compression program I've found in Windows) and it 
> only compressed it down to 55 or 60 megabytes if I remember correctly.

All very true - my apologies. I misread "rar" for "tar" when I made my 
previous post.

On Saturday, September 21, 2002, at 03:38 AM, Murray McDowall wrote:

> MacRAR solves that little problem.

Used to use that - but it seems stuck at ver 2.5 something - I believe 
it is no longer supported.

In any case it had trouble running under os later than 9.0 and does not 
at all understand the newer rar format (since ver 3) which abandoned 
the .r01 .r02.....s.xx etc file extension format.

Stuffit also does not understand the current rar format.

There is a simple unRAR utility that runs under osx but I have not 
tried it.

Too bad, rar is a very useful compression scheme, great for mulitmedia. 
Hope someone ports a full implementation to osx before long.

On Saturday, September 21, 2002, at 06:13 AM, Murray McDowall wrote:

> Yes the compression achieved by WinRAR is usually impressive although 
> there
> are more efficient algorithms for audio files.

I think rar was efficient enough that emagic had no great reason to 
continue with Zap.

as an experiment I tried compressing audio files with both - and there 
was little difference between the two.

>All very true - my apologies. I misread "rar" for "tar" when I made my 
>previous post.

MacRAR solves that little problem.

macrar.free.fr/

At 11:27 AM 9/20/02 -0400, you wrote:

>> MacRAR solves that little problem.
>
>Used to use that - but it seems stuck at ver 2.5 something - I believe 
>it is no longer supported.

That's bad news. Someone else might step into the breech with updated Mac
support perhaps .

>In any case it had trouble running under os later than 9.0 and does not 
>at all understand the newer rar format (since ver 3) which abandoned 
>the .r01 .r02.....s.xx etc file extension format.

I still use 2.9

>Too bad, rar is a very useful compression scheme, great for mulitmedia. 
>Hope someone ports a full implementation to osx before long.

Yes the compression achieved by WinRAR is usually impressive although there
are more efficient algorithms for audio files.

Regards,
Murray

mercutio@... wrote:

>Murray McDowall wrote:
>> Yes the compression achieved by WinRAR is usually impressive although 
>> there
>> are more efficient algorithms for audio files.
>
>I think rar was efficient enough that emagic had no great reason to 
>continue with Zap.
>
>as an experiment I tried compressing audio files with both - and there 
>was little difference between the two.

I once used Shorten to decompress some archives of piano samples. The
compression ratios were quite spectacular. It is worth bearing in mind that
piano samples with long decays would be highly compressible because the
last half or more of the sample has quite low amplitude. Shorten is free
for personal use but is not available on the Mac.

Here's a link to Shorten and there is some discussion on the site of the
relevant issues. 
http://www.softsound.com/Shorten.html

Just checking on the web site it seems possible that the lossy mode had
been used because the compression ratios were large (in lossy mode Shorten
can achieve 3:1 to 5:1 and about 2:1 in Lossless mode. 

Regards,
Murray

Oops -the discussion on lossless compression I was reading was on another
site -- Robin Whittle an Australian audio whiz (who did the mods on my old
Atari) runs the site below --

http://www.firstpr.com.au/audiocomp/lossless/

Regards,
Murray

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On a fine day, 22-03-2003, logic-ot@yahoogroups.com wrote:

>   Description : A muppet meets 'techno'

You mean: Bush with precision bombs in Iraq?

Sorry, couldn't resist...  Not meaning to start a raging discussion...

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>>   Description : A muppet meets 'techno'
>
>You mean: Bush with precision bombs in Iraq?
>
>Sorry, couldn't resist...  Not meaning to start a raging discussion...

Come on HJ, you are usually quite clever in your comments. Bush is not a 
cuddly puppet, he is an idiot - although he is easily manipulated by the 
rightwing Christian coaltion, pro-Israel lobby. He is not able to understand 
anything techno nor technical more than flipping channels on the tv. What 
better qualifications for starting an unprovoked war that will set a terrible 
precendent for decades to come?

> On a fine day, 22-03-2003, logic-ot@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> >   Description : A muppet meets 'techno'

--- In logic-ot@yahoogroups.com, Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote:
> You mean: Bush with precision bombs in Iraq?
> Sorry, couldn't resist...  Not meaning to start a raging 
> discussion...

Sorry but I don't see how that video is at all related to Bush and 
the unfortunate situation in Iraq.. ?? 

Jeremy

On a fine day, 25-03-2003, Jeremy Martin wrote:

>  > On a fine day, 22-03-2003, logic-ot@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>>  >   Description : A muppet meets 'techno'
>
>--- In logic-ot@yahoogroups.com, Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote:
>>  You mean: Bush with precision bombs in Iraq?
>>  Sorry, couldn't resist...  Not meaning to start a raging
>>  discussion...
>
>Sorry but I don't see how that video is at all related to Bush and
>the unfortunate situation in Iraq.. ??

Oh, I didn't watch the video at all.  "Muppet" just reminded me of 
Bush, etc.  Nothing too deep to it, really.

And to Tazmanian: no, Bush isn't a cuddly toy, I know.  But hey, you 
wouldn't call Miss Piggy cuddly, now, would you? :-)

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