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I just listened to your track about Rats in cages! I liked it. The singer
sounds completely off his trolley- excellent, made me laugh.

"The critics that have heard what I do say it is creative, but that
> proves nothing."

I'd say it is creative- and entertaining.

Nice off the wall solo, let me know if you guys are going to play in the
south East UK- Kent preferably.

Cheers

John

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----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis Gunn <mightyjohn@...>
To: <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 28 June 2001 09:48
Subject: [L-OT] Creative? was: guitar gods


> At 3:27 AM -0400 6/28/01, GAmoore@... wrote:
>
> >I'm not sure if that is true or not. I think too much training and
> >learning does limit one's creativity.
>
> I don't know.  Could it be that it just looks that way because people
> who have limited creativity tend to try to overtrain to make up for
> it?
>
> >Some composers are good at their instruments and some are average,
> >but most of the really great musicians are never great composers.
>
> Jeff Beck wrote some pretty good songs.  I really like Adrian Belew's
> compositions and Jimi Hedrix and Frank Zappa's as well.  If I recall
> correctly Mozart was a prodigy on both Piano and Violin.  And what
> about Bach?  Wasn't he renowned as a virtuoso organist?
>
> I guess I can't quite see where you are coming from there.
>
> >
> >I now know you consider yourself very creative.
>
> So that is an invitation to account for myself?
>
> Let me see.
>
> Certainly I strive to be creative but that does not mean I am.
>
> People always ask me what kind of music my band plays and I have
> always been at a loss to describe it.  When I play it for them and
> ask them what kind of music it is they can't tell me either. To the
> avant guard indy crowd I generally hang with: It's pop.  To pop
> people it's avant guard.  To the record stores it is something they
> have a hard time placing.  To me it is pop.
>
> I can play OK (after doing for 25 years I should be able to after
> all) but am not the best guitarist around.  So rather than
> demonstrating the chops I don't have to the world I try to use my
> head in such a way as to make things interesting.
>
> My personal taste runs to music that is generally regarded as
> "difficult" by the main stream.  When I listen to albums I have
> played on I enjoy them and enjoy my contributions to them.  Usually I
> don't when they are fresh off the press but when I hear them 6 months
> or a year later and have had a chance get the process of creating
> them out of my mind I do.
>
> The critics that have heard what I do say it is creative, but that
> proves nothing.
>
> Bottom line.  In answer to your question yes I think I am creative,
> after all it is my job.  If I didn't think I was I would have to
> choose another profession.  As for the "Very", well, sometimes maybe,
> but I am kind of lazy and that's not good.  "Very" creative people
> can't be lazy.
>
> In any case if you want to form your own opinion and or read that of
> the critics you can follow the link in my signature.  The page is
> kind of out of date but there are some sounds there.  I suppose I
> should put some more on there but I'm lazy.
> --
>
>
>                                  Dennis Gunn
>                                  Mightyjohn@...
>
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From: John Matthews [mailto:Groovey@...] conveyed:

> I just listened to your track about Rats in cages! I liked it. The singer
> sounds completely off his trolley- excellent, made me laugh.

I had a listen as well. I like it. There is a huge void left after the sad
demise of Mr Zappa who in my opinion was a real modern day genius, and for
so many reasons (which is probably what make him a genius). I have heard
loads of Zappa. Some of it interesting, some of it not particularly but most
of it brilliant. His best album in my view is Apostrophe and closely
followed by Sheik Yer Bouti and then... oh sod it, there are loads.

I would like to hear something a bit more up to date (not that I think it is
dated, just interested to hear some more stuff using the same technology as
me (more or less). A kind of mixture of Beefheart, Zappa
and...and...and....well, Gunn

I am the slime oozing out from your TV set.
Watch out where those huskies go, and don't you eat that yellow snow.
I may be totally wrong but I'm a...dancing fooo..oo..oo..oo..ooooll, I'm a
........
I've got a nasty little jewish princess.... <sensored>
Hey there kid's I'm Bobby Brown....
Hot rats, hot zitz.....
deh...deh,deh,deh,deh,deh,deh, dehhhh, dehhh...(instrumental) deh didley
didle deeh dee dee dee deeeeee (name that tune)

Long live the music of FZ.

PS I forgot him in my guitarist list. He played a mean solo or two, and of
course was totally unique. Then again I did say me list was for that week
only!

Phil

--- In logic-ot@y..., "Phil Angus" <phil.angus@b...> wrote:

> I am the slime oozing out from your TV set.
> Watch out where those huskies go, and don't you eat that yellow 
snow.
> I may be totally wrong but I'm a...dancing fooo..oo..oo..oo..ooooll, 
I'm a
> ........
> I've got a nasty little jewish princess.... <sensored>
> Hey there kid's I'm Bobby Brown....
> Hot rats, hot zitz.....
> deh...deh,deh,deh,deh,deh,deh, dehhhh, dehhh...(instrumental) deh 
didley
> didle deeh dee dee dee deeeeee (name that tune)
> 
> Long live the music of FZ.

> Phil

And don't forget..."ramit, ramit, ramit, ramitupyur.........that's a 
classic.

df

At 9:17 PM +0100 6/28/01, John Matthews wrote:
>I just listened to your track about Rats in cages! I liked it.

Thank you.

>The singer
>sounds completely off his trolley- excellent, made me laugh.

That balanced individual would be me as well.

>"The critics that have heard what I do say it is creative, but that
>>  proves nothing."
>
>I'd say it is creative- and entertaining.

Thank you very much.  That is gratifying basically all I was hoping 
to achieve.  Well money would have been nice too but..

-- 


                                 Dennis Gunn
                                 Mightyjohn@...

                  check out  MIGHTY JOHN HENRY's album "hot air head"
                                                    info at
                        http://www.twics.com/~mightyjo/home.html

At 10:22 PM +0100 6/28/01, Phil Angus wrote:
>
>I had a listen as well. I like it. There is a huge void left after the sad
>demise of Mr Zappa...

Although I don't make them myself he Zappa associations are always an honor.



>I would like to hear something a bit more up to date (not that I think it is
>dated, just interested to hear some more stuff using the same technology as
>me (more or less). A kind of mixture of Beefheart, Zappa
>and...and...and....well, Gunn

Actually I recorded that in logic and the essentials of the system I 
use have not changed much except that back then I was using a 
Digidesign Session 8 which only gave me 8 tracks.  As a lot of other 
artists have observed, the more limited system I was using back then 
seems to have made me more focused and productive than all the 
possibilities I have now.  Or maybe I am just getting lazy and that 
sounds like a good excuse.

And BTW Beefheart is THE MAN.  Actually I was thrilled to have guitar 
god "Gary Lucas" who played in Beefheart's band when he made "Ice 
Cream For Crow" play on a cut of "hot air head".  He was the only 
other guitarist my competitive nature allowed me to put on the album, 
and he has such a competitive nature that there is practically an 
explosion from the amp every time he plugs in.  To be perfectly 
honest it made it pretty difficult to play with him.
-- 


                                 Dennis Gunn
                                 Mightyjohn@...

                  check out  MIGHTY JOHN HENRY's album "hot air head"
                                                    info at
                        http://www.twics.com/~mightyjo/home.html