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is sampling now. PIC10Fxxx from Microchip is coming in SOT23-6pin 
package. I think it will be a very handy device. 
There are applications for ARM based micro and 8-bit micros as well.
I'm working on LPC2124 based project and I will try PIC10F (for a 
different job).

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From: "Jan Szymanski" <janek@...>
To: <lpc2000@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 7:54 AM
Subject: [lpc2000] the world's smallest microcontroller


> is sampling now. PIC10Fxxx from Microchip is coming in SOT23-6pin 
> package. I think it will be a very handy device. 
> There are applications for ARM based micro and 8-bit micros as well.
> I'm working on LPC2124 based project and I will try PIC10F (for a 
> different job).  

Perhaps someone will make an 8-pin ARM chip. 8-)

Leon

> 
> Perhaps someone will make an 8-pin ARM chip. 8-)
> 
> Leon
Dallas have a 2 pin Java engine!
Rob

> Perhaps someone will make an 8-pin ARM chip. 8-)

Last friday, I went to the ATMEL seminar in Philly.
When the ARM presenter finished his talk, he asked
what we'd like to see in new products.  I raised my
hand and said, "A small DIP packeged one."  The room
just laughed.  So, I looked right at the presenter
and said "No, I'm serious."

Once you go to 200+ pins, there are a ton of parts.  
You want to do something different and get customers
that noone else has, go outside of what has been done.
More memory, smaller package, lower cost, etc.  Intel
and many others have the high end pretty much staked
out.  Why be a 'me, too' supplier for things that have
been done?

Cheers,
David

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, David Willmore <willmore@o...> wrote:
> > Perhaps someone will make an 8-pin ARM chip. 8-)
> 

Olicom.com, and probably others, have chips mounted on DIL headers
along with crystal, reset, decoupling caps etc. They take up no more
room than you would need for a DIL plus supporting circuitry.

> Olicom.com

ooops.....It should have been olimex.com

> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, David Willmore <willmore@o...> wrote:
> > > Perhaps someone will make an 8-pin ARM chip. 8-)
> > 
> 
> Olicom.com, and probably others, have chips mounted on DIL headers
> along with crystal, reset, decoupling caps etc. They take up no more
> room than you would need for a DIL plus supporting circuitry.

Yeah, but those aren't exactly in the same price range as the raw parts.
I can hardly go to production with them. :)

Cheers,
David

> Yeah, but those aren't exactly in the same price range as the raw parts.

Not far off....for production quantities!

> I can hardly go to production with them. :)
> 

I think if you are talking about production quanties you will find
that a board with the actual QFP package is the cheapest.

> > Yeah, but those aren't exactly in the same price range as the raw parts.
> 
> Not far off....for production quantities!

For us, production is 200-500 generally.

> > I can hardly go to production with them. :)
> 
> I think if you are talking about production quanties you will find
> that a board with the actual QFP package is the cheapest.

Well, we make kits, so QFPs don't work too well in those situations.
If it's not a DIP part, some 70+ year old guy won't be able to
solder it.  So, basically, we need to stick to older technology 
kind of parts.

Cheers,
David

Speaking of smaller arm7's, anyone know anything about the ST 
Microelectronics arm7 (STR711F and STR712F)? They look pretty 
interesting . 64LQFP package. Lots of IO's (not sure how much you lose 
with jtag!). A real real time clock (external crystal and can wake the 
processor up). 2xSPI. 3 x UART. They are slower: 48Mhz but also can 
have either CAN or USB.

http://www.st.com/stonline/products/support/micro/arm/str7_10.htm

Shannon

At 11:21 AM 6/16/04 -0700, you wrote:
>Speaking of smaller arm7's, anyone know anything about the ST
>Microelectronics arm7 (STR711F and STR712F)? They look pretty

I've been keeping an eye on them.  Last I heard there won't be anything 
real until fall.  One thing I did notice is that they require an oscillator 
as a clock source, they can't drive a crystal.

Robert


" 'Freedom' has no meaning of itself.  There are always restrictions,
be they legal, genetic, or physical.  If you don't believe me, try to
chew a radio signal. "

                         Kelvin Throop, III

Hmmm, well September is a tad far away - guess it will be a maybe for a 
cost/size reduced version 2.0. Although having it not be an option 
makes things simpler - no other paths to try to go down!

Thanks!

Shannon

On Wednesday, June 16, 2004, at 11:40 AM, Robert Adsett wrote:

> At 11:21 AM 6/16/04 -0700, you wrote:
>> Speaking of smaller arm7's, anyone know anything about the ST
>> Microelectronics arm7 (STR711F and STR712F)? They look pretty
>
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> oscillator
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No this is wrong. They will use also a crystal.

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> At 11:21 AM 6/16/04 -0700, you wrote:
> >Speaking of smaller arm7's, anyone know anything about the ST
> >Microelectronics arm7 (STR711F and STR712F)? They look pretty
>
> I've been keeping an eye on them.  Last I heard there won't be anything
> real until fall.  One thing I did notice is that they require an 
> oscillator
> as a clock source, they can't drive a crystal.
>
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Hello,

I plan to buy a development kit for the LPC2106. But before I buy I want to
get familiarized with the instruction set/ the complier. Can anyone here let
me know where can I get a assembler/C complier for the LPC series. I use
windows 2000 OS.

Regards
Raj S


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At 10:03 AM 6/17/04 +0200, you wrote:
>No this is wrong. They will use also a crystal.

Sorry, It's true.  It surprised me enough on first seeing it I verified it 
with ST.  There are up to three clock sources on the ST, the Real time 
clock which is a 32kHz crystal, the main reference clock (which is a single 
pin input on the smaller devices) and on USB devices a precision 48MHz 
reference.

To quote from the implementation guide "The STR71x clock control unit must 
be driven by an external oscillator, connected to the CLK pin, at a 
frequency of up to 16 MHz. It generates the clocks for the CPU and for the 
on-chip peripherals."

They also have an unusual power supply scheme (Three inputs two of them 
optionally supplied by the micro).

Robert


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--- RajKumar <rajkumar@...> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I plan to buy a development kit for the LPC2106. But
> before I buy I want to
> get familiarized with the instruction set/ the
> complier. Can anyone here let
> me know where can I get a assembler/C complier for
> the LPC series. I use
> windows 2000 OS.

Raj,

http://www.ariusdsp.com/gnuarm/gnuarm.html

Install cygwin & then install this on your Win2K. For
instruction set & about ARM tools refer to
documentation from arm.com

Cheers,
-Mike.

> 
> Regards
> Raj S
> 
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Hi Raj,

if you are willing to provide your information you might want to try
the Keil tools (also based on GNU right now). Why Keil?  Because Keil
offers not just an instruction set simulator but a whole device
simulator including the peripherals.  Really nice!
Info about the Keil offerings here:
http://www.keil.com/arm/

For download (questionnaire) here:
http://www.keil.com/demo/eval/arm.htm

Alternative, optional with LPC2106 evaluation board from IAR. Comes
with a 32k compiler that does not expire

Info here:
http://www.iar.com/Products/?name=KSDKLPC2106

More info and download of 30 day compiler here:
http://www.iar.com/Products/EW/EW_Product.asp?name=EWARM&manufacturer=Philips

Cheers, Bob

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> Hello,
> 
> I plan to buy a development kit for the LPC2106. But before I buy I
want to
> get familiarized with the instruction set/ the complier. Can anyone
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> me know where can I get a assembler/C complier for the LPC series. I use
> windows 2000 OS.
> 
> Regards
> Raj S
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I have used the development board from Olimex and the Rowley Crossworks compiler.

Works well for me. Support is provided. Only fault with the Cross works is the lousy help files.
Hey but the complier and its features are great.

Of course you could go command line with gcc for free. This like hitting yourself with a hammer. 
it's good when it stops.

Owen Mooney 

Hello,

I plan to buy a development kit for the LPC2106. But before I buy I want to
get familiarized with the instruction set/ the complier. Can anyone here let
me know where can I get a assembler/C complier for the LPC series. I use
windows 2000 OS.

Regards
Raj S