Lpc2000

Hi!

I wonder if you folks have compared prices among ARM MCU's lately?
It would be nice to know, for intance there was one list member
claiming that the Cirrus logic EP9301 could be bought for less
then 10euro in packs of hundred, thats a far better price for a
ARM device that i could ever buy the LPC2106 for!(have to pay 11-
12euro for 2106 in 100 packs) Im interested to now what you folks
have to pay for your ARM device!

Reg
KD

dalenkarl wrote:

> I wonder if you folks have compared prices among ARM MCU's lately?
> It would be nice to know, for intance there was one list member
> claiming that the Cirrus logic EP9301 could be bought for less
> then 10euro in packs of hundred, thats a far better price for a
> ARM device that i could ever buy the LPC2106 for!(have to pay 11-
> 12euro for 2106 in 100 packs) Im interested to now what you folks
> have to pay for your ARM device!

That ain't comparing apples with apples. The EP9301, although a very 
nice chip is in a different league. At 1" square, and hello, where's the 
on-board Flash and Ram?, the EP is not going to fit into the low-end of 
the market that the 2000 does. For a lot of applications the little 
thumb tack of an LPC210x is pretty much all that is required but there 
is just no way that an EP can compete in this area. Even if it only 
costs 10 cents, the cost of the other components, their size, and their 
power requirements would add a hefty burden to low-end designs.

I've can get the 2104's for around AUD$8 here in Oz and that's cheaper 
than my 16-bit 60K Flash MSP430s that I use. By way of comparison some 
8-bit ATMEGA8535s cost me $5, and PIC12C509s I get for around $1.70. So 
I guess Uncle Phil's babies get my vote!

--
Peter Jakacki

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "dalenkarl" <dalenkarl@y...> wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I wonder if you folks have compared prices among ARM MCU's lately?
> It would be nice to know, for intance there was one list member
> claiming that the Cirrus logic EP9301 could be bought for less
> then 10euro in packs of hundred, thats a far better price for a
> ARM device that i could ever buy the LPC2106 for!(have to pay 11-
> 12euro for 2106 in 100 packs) Im interested to now what you folks
> have to pay for your ARM device!

actually you can buy EP9301 for less $10 in 1 off quantity:
http://www.newark.com/NewarkWebCommerce/newark/en_US/support/catalog/p
roductDetail.jsp?id=88H6830

$9.41 for 1 off order

when you take into account that this is ARM9, MMU, 166Mhz core, 66Mhz 
data bus, 16+16 KB cache, 2x USB 2.0 hosts and Ethernet MAC build in, 
this is the lowest cost and richest of peripherials device I've seen

external Flash and Ram is much cheaper than internal Flash and Ram, 
for instance SDRAM is around $0.20-$0.30/MB and FLASH is $0.50-1.00/MB
Linux and Win.CE ports are ready available

Best regards
Tsvetan
---
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Development boards for ARM, AVR, PIC, and MSP430  
(http://www.olimex.com/dev)

Hello Karl,

can't fight my feeling that your distributor has a VERY HIGH margin 
on this :-(

May be you can get the micro from a different source (or at a lower 
price.  A reasonable price for the LPC2106 in 100 piece-orders would 
be between 8 and 9 Euros max.

Cheers, Bob

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "dalenkarl" <dalenkarl@y...> wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> I wonder if you folks have compared prices among ARM MCU's lately?
> It would be nice to know, for intance there was one list member
> claiming that the Cirrus logic EP9301 could be bought for less
> then 10euro in packs of hundred, thats a far better price for a
> ARM device that i could ever buy the LPC2106 for!(have to pay 11-
> 12euro for 2106 in 100 packs) Im interested to now what you folks
> have to pay for your ARM device!
> 
> Reg
> KD

> That ain't comparing apples with apples. The EP9301, although a 
very > nice chip is in a different league. At 1" square, and hello, 
where's the   on-board Flash and Ram?, the EP is not going to fit 
into the low-end of  the market that the 2000 does.

I agre to that a internal Flash would have been nice but the EP
can boot from SPI,UART or RAM wich is allso nice!

Some times everything depends on volumes and price to customers
and how much over head you whant on your product, for me who
deals with units in 100-200'eds the 2-3 euro difference dosent
matter much if i can get so many more functions.And in this case 
where power consumption are not the prime target.

For instance i use the LP2106 instead of the MSP430F147 due to
lack of RAM and speed if TI would have done a 100Mhz or even a
50MHz MSP430 i would switch over again! And i Use the MSP because
its simple to program. (i whis the LPC was that simple!)

There is so many reasons why one uses or looking for alternative 
MCU's, for instance i have been using HC11 for years but switched 
over to MSP for a load of reasons.

>Even if it only 
>costs 10 cents, the cost of the other components, their size, and 
their  power requirements would add a hefty burden to low-end designs.

If it cost 10 cent i would replace many things! Particularely
in situations where you dont need certain peripherials who could
be turned of to save power.
 
> I've can get the 2104's for around AUD$8 here in Oz and that's 
cheaper 
> than my 16-bit 60K Flash MSP430s that I use. By way of comparison 
some 
> 8-bit ATMEGA8535s cost me $5, and PIC12C509s I get for around 
$1.70. So 
> I guess Uncle Phil's babies get my vote!

Most of the time im looking for MCUs in 100 range for max 10-12eu
its a crude and simple and perhaps a bit naive way as a starting 
point, its like " what do i get for 10euro" ,instead of using the
base of looking to the provided functions or speed or what ever.
Its to many MCU' to chose from, i dont have the time or interest
to look into any other way!!Im drowning my self in MCU's!!! I get
a swelling  itching brain, im paralysed, im getting MPD of this!!
(as i said crude and simple).

For instance i have huge pile of 16Mhz MC68000 (450units)
and several plates of 25Mhz 68020, what on earth would i do
with them?? 

(i was thinking of doing som art with it, a copy of the tower of
Pisa).

My motto:
Why wrestling with 8 bit when you can wrestle with 32 bits! :-)

As Tsvetsan pointed out the SDRAM is cheap!

Reg
KD

Hey an Australian -There's more than one of us ! 8)
Where are you getting your chips. I'm about to order some from Adilam.
Regards, 
Rob

> 
> I've can get the 2104's for around AUD$8 here in Oz and that's 
cheaper 
> than my 16-bit 60K Flash MSP430s that I use. By way of comparison 
some 
> 8-bit ATMEGA8535s cost me $5, and PIC12C509s I get for around 
$1.70. So 

> I guess Uncle Phil's babies get my vote!
> 
> --
> Peter Jakacki

Yeah, I got mine from Adilam, they're good blokes to deal with. They 
have some stock of the 2106's if you get your hands on them real quick.

--
Peter Jakacki

norseld wrote:

>Hey an Australian -There's more than one of us ! 8)
>Where are you getting your chips. I'm about to order some from Adilam.
>Regards, 
>Rob
>  
>

I ordered some chips from Adilam on monday.
Was told two weeks for lpc2129, received them this morning.

Alex