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2005-10-07 by chavanvikram
Hi all,
I am going to purchase TINI2131 microcontroller board (from New
Micros, Inc.) without it's development board. Do you know whether the
Single stepping, breakpoint, debuging facilities are provided in that
or not? Also please tell me that whether the board supports ARM
Developers Suit (ADS) or not? If anyone of you have the same board,
please write in detail.
Thanks,
Vikram Chavan.2005-10-07 by lpc2100_fan
Hi, you need the schematics which I did not find on the newmicros website or a board to test it. For sure there is no standard JTAG connector with 20 pins on the board, that would be visible on the picture. Well I found the required information in the getting started. You need to make your own Jtag Connector but the documentation should be sufficient. Boards from Olimex, IAR and Keil all have the standard JTAG connector but are a little more expensive. SIngle stepping, breakpoint and so on all depends on the access to the JTAG pins. The LPC2131 cna be debugged with all the mentioned features. hth, Bob --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "chavanvikram" <chavanvikram@y...> wrote:
> > Hi all, > I am going to purchase TINI2131 microcontroller board (from New > Micros, Inc.) without it's development board. Do you know whether the > Single stepping, breakpoint, debuging facilities are provided in that > or not? Also please tell me that whether the board supports ARM > Developers Suit (ADS) or not? If anyone of you have the same board, > please write in detail. > > Thanks, > Vikram Chavan. >
2005-10-07 by NMI Sales
The JTAG pinout for the New Micros Tini2131 is located on page 9 of the Getting Started guide, and the schematic is located on page 12 of that same guide. HYPERLINK "http://www.newmicros.com/store/product_manual/Tin i2131-START.pdf"http://www.newmicros.com/store/pro duct_manual/Tini2131-START.pdf Perhaps that can help to match up pins for debug usage?
-----Original Message----- From: lpc2100_fan Hi, you need the schematics which I did not find on the newmicros website or a board to test it. For sure there is no standard JTAG connector with 20 pins on the board, that would be visible on the picture. Well I found the required information in the getting started. You need to make your own Jtag Connector but the documentation should be sufficient. Boards from Olimex, IAR and Keil all have the standard JTAG connector but are a little more expensive. SIngle stepping, breakpoint and so on all depends on the access to the JTAG pins. The LPC2131 cna be debugged with all the mentioned features. hth, Bob --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "chavanvikram" <chavanvikram@y...> wrote: > > Hi all, > I am going to purchase TINI2131 microcontroller board (from New > Micros, Inc.) without it's development board. Do you know whether the > Single stepping, breakpoint, debuging facilities are provided in that > or not? Also please tell me that whether the board supports ARM > Developers Suit (ADS) or not? If anyone of you have the same board, > please write in detail. > > Thanks, > Vikram Chavan. > SPONSORED LINKS HYPERLINK "http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Microprocesso r&w1=Microprocessor&w2=Microcontrollers&w3=Pic+mic rocontrollers&w4=8051+microprocessor&c=4&s=93&.sig =tsVC-J9hJ5qyXg0WPR0l6g"Microprocessor HYPERLINK "http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Microcontroll ers&w1=Microprocessor&w2=Microcontrollers&w3=Pic+m icrocontrollers&w4=8051+microprocessor&c=4&s=93&.s ig=DvJVNqC_pqRTm8Xq01nxwg"Microcontrollers HYPERLINK "http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Pic+microcont rollers&w1=Microprocessor&w2=Microcontrollers&w3=P ic+microcontrollers&w4=8051+microprocessor&c=4&s=9 3&.sig=TpkoX4KofDJ7c6LyBvUqVQ"Pic microcontrollers HYPERLINK "http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=8051+micropro cessor&w1=Microprocessor&w2=Microcontrollers&w3=Pi c+microcontrollers&w4=8051+microprocessor&c=4&s=93 &.sig=1Ipf1Fjfbd_HVIlekkDP-A"8051 microprocessor _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group " HYPERLINK "http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lpc2000"lpc2000" on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HYPERLINK "mailto:lpc2000-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subjec t=Unsubscribe"lpc2000-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the HYPERLINK "http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/"Yahoo! Terms of Service. _____ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - Release Date: 10/5/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/123 - Release Date: 10/6/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-10-09 by Eric Engler
--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "NMI Sales" <nmisales@n...> wrote: > > The JTAG pinout for the New Micros Tini2131 is > located on page 9 of the Getting Started guide, Does NMI sell an adapter to let you connect a regular JTAG cable to the board? Some of us are mostly into software and we don't solder our own connectors unless we get super desparate.
2005-10-09 by Randy M. Dumse
> Does NMI sell an adapter to let you connect a regular > JTAG cable to the board? The 20 pin JTAG connector is quite a waste of pins. There's only a few active signals on the connector. A 20 pin connector would dominate our boards, and in some cases, require us to double their size. So on all our boards we have shrunk down to a 10 pin JTAG connector. We have adapters that go from the JTAG connector to the PC parallel port. We could certainly come up with an adapter from our 10 to a "regular" 20 if that's what folks want. Since the parallel port on the PC is becoming legacy... We've been working with MPE, to make a USB based "widget" for development. http://www.mpeforth.com/jtagwidget.htm You'll notice it is much faster than the wiggler. > Some of us are mostly into software and we don't > solder our own > connectors unless we get super desparate. On our other boards, we have usually just press fit the JTAG connector in during downloads, and removed it when the JTAG was not in use. This has proved quite satisfactory for the occassional downloading of new code. It might not be convenient for extended debug sessions. If someone wants the connector soldered in, we'll be glad to do it. Just ask when ordering. But by leaving it removeable, the form factor after programming is much nicer without that extra connector sticking out sideways. Randy www.newmicros.com
2005-10-09 by Rob Jansen
Randy M. Dumse wrote: > The 20 pin JTAG connector is quite a waste of pins. There's only > a few active signals on the connector. A 20 pin connector would > dominate our boards, and in some cases, require us to double > their size. So on all our boards we have shrunk down to a 10 pin > JTAG connector. We have adapters that go from the JTAG connector > to the PC parallel port. Sure, if you're just talking about a wiggler type JTAG or some sub MHz JTAG debugger pod that may be true. But you will require some 'decent' cable when you go for higher frequencies and with JTAG speeds of 50 MHz you defenitely want a cable where there is shielding between the signals (and some proper cable impedance). The 20 pin connector is the easiest and cheapest way to provide this. Another option is the use of the mictor style connectors - these are the fine-piched connector types you also find on logic analyzers. So yes, for the lpc21xx controllers with JTAG speeds below 2 MHz you can use almost any cable you like (I just use a set of 4" long seperate wires to connect to my jtag port). And yes, for faster processor cores (supporting a faster JTAG clock) you will need proper cabling and connectors. ARM uses a standard 20 pin cable on the RealView ICE but on my 200 MHz ARM system I need the 'high speed' cable - connection is not reliable otherwise. The board layout is correct and does provide proper routing of JTAG signals to the connector. I do agree that use of the standard 100 mil header type is a waste of board space. There would be other connectors available that are much smaller in size and have even better specifications but there are some good things on the good-old 100 mil connectors. Rob
2005-10-11 by Eric Engler
> The 20 pin JTAG connector is quite a waste of pins. There's only > a few active signals on the connector. A 20 pin connector would > dominate our boards, and in some cases, require us to double > their size. So on all our boards we have shrunk down to a 10 pin > JTAG connector. That's a good move. I have no problem with the board's small connector. I just wanted to be able to plug in a USB device, so an adapter seemed like a good idea. > Since the parallel port on the PC is becoming legacy... We've > been working with MPE, to make a USB based "widget" for > development. http://www.mpeforth.com/jtagwidget.htm You'll > notice it is much faster than the wiggler. That's what I was looking for. I was thinking of a j-link but I don't like the idea of paying a ton of money for their DLL SDK. I'm mostly a PC programmer and I will want to interact with the USB on the PC side. Is there an open API for this MPE USB device? I understand that you can likely use it as a high-speed COM port but I want a way to get to RDI debugging commands. Eric
2005-10-11 by Tim Wade
Hi Eric You might like to consider the Crossconnect from Rowley as they are in the throughs of providing a DLL for connecting to it and it is quite cheap -- about 100 quid. We want to use them in our production testing. Currently we are using Signum systems JTAGJet which is very nice but pricey and we have also used Macraigor Ravens which are also quite expensive and fairly slow. I did try the Jlink while the DLL was free and had a few issues with it loosing control of the ARM and I wasn't all that happy with its behaviour -- they may well have fixed up these problems... Cheers Tim
-----Original Message----- From: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpc2000@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Engler Sent: Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:10 AM To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com Subject: [lpc2000] Re: Debuging on Tini2131? > The 20 pin JTAG connector is quite a waste of pins. There's only a few > active signals on the connector. A 20 pin connector would dominate our > boards, and in some cases, require us to double their size. So on all > our boards we have shrunk down to a 10 pin JTAG connector. That's a good move. I have no problem with the board's small connector. I just wanted to be able to plug in a USB device, so an adapter seemed like a good idea. > Since the parallel port on the PC is becoming legacy... We've been > working with MPE, to make a USB based "widget" for development. > http://www.mpeforth.com/jtagwidget.htm You'll notice it is much faster > than the wiggler. That's what I was looking for. I was thinking of a j-link but I don't like the idea of paying a ton of money for their DLL SDK. I'm mostly a PC programmer and I will want to interact with the USB on the PC side. Is there an open API for this MPE USB device? I understand that you can likely use it as a high-speed COM port but I want a way to get to RDI debugging commands. Eric -- This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of NAUTRONIX LTD. If you are not the intended recipient, you have received this email in error and use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender. Although our computer systems use active virus protection software, and we take various measures to reduce the risk of viruses being transmitted in e-mail messages and attachments sent from this company, we cannot guarantee that such e-mail messages and attachments are free from viruses on receipt. It is a condition of our using e-mail to correspond with you, that any and all liability on our part arising directly or indirectly out of any virus is excluded. Please ensure that you run virus checking software on all e-mail messages and attachments before reading them.
2005-10-11 by Stephen Pelc
> I'm mostly a PC programmer and I will want to interact with the > USB on the PC side. Is there an open API for this MPE USB device? The JTAG Widget is completely open. You can execute *any* function by sending it parameters and commands. Correct execution leads to an "ok" prompt. The software manuals are available from: http://www.mpeforth.com/jtagwidget.htm If you are unfamiliar with Forth (the basis of the on-board interpreter and compiler), there is also a tutorial on the books page for free download. > I understand that you can likely use it as a high-speed COM port > but I want a way to get to RDI debugging commands. The PC side of an RDI interface to the JTAG Widget can download and save (on the Widget) a set of RDI extensions in the same way that Flash and CPU drivers can be saved. The RDI extensions can use any of the existing Widget functions. We chose to use the FTDI COMport drivers because they give the easiest installation under MacOS and Linux. If you want to use another interface style we're happy to work with you on it. Stephen -- Stephen Pelc, stephen@... MicroProcessor Engineering Ltd - More Real, Less Time 133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England tel: +44 23 80 631441, fax: +44 23 80 339691 web: http://www.mpeforth.com - free VFX Forth downloads
2005-10-11 by Bill Currey
--- Stephen Pelc <stephen@...> wrote: > > The JTAG Widget is completely open. You can execute > *any* > function by sending it parameters and commands. > Correct > execution leads to an "ok" prompt. The software > manuals are > available from: > http://www.mpeforth.com/jtagwidget.htm > > If you are unfamiliar with Forth (the basis of the > on-board > interpreter and compiler), there is also a tutorial > on the books > page for free download. > going to the above web page, and then linking on the manual's link results in Not Found message ??? > > Stephen > > -- > Stephen Pelc, stephen@... > MicroProcessor Engineering Ltd - More Real, Less > Time > 133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England > tel: +44 23 80 631441, fax: +44 23 80 339691 > web: http://www.mpeforth.com - free VFX Forth > downloads > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
2005-10-11 by Randy M. Dumse
> > http://www.mpeforth.com/jtagwidget.htm > > > going to the above web page, and then linking on > the manual's link results in Not Found message ??? I went to the page, "The JTAG software provides low and high level functions for JTAG access to ARM and other CPUs. The software is based around the Forth programming language. You can write your own scripts and programs which can be downloaded, compiled and saved onto the JTAG Widget ready for your next session. At the lowest level, talking directly to the JTAG widget through a terminal emulator is using a very powerful command-line debugger and Flash programmer with scripting facilities. Download the JTAG Widget manual. Download the Forth kernel manual. " and clicked both manuals, and .pdf files opened for me. Are you set up with Adobe Reader? Those links lead to: http://www.mpeforth.com/arena/JTAGwidget.pdf and http://www.mpeforth.com/arena/usbstampcode.pdf Randy www.newmicros.com
2005-10-12 by Bill Currey
Yes, I am using Adobe reader, and the links are working for me now. Thanks --- "Randy M. Dumse" <rmd@...> wrote: > > > http://www.mpeforth.com/jtagwidget.htm > > > > > going to the above web page, and then linking on > > the manual's link results in Not Found message ??? > > I went to the page, > > "The JTAG software provides low and high level > functions for > JTAG access to ARM and other CPUs. The software is > based around > the Forth programming language. You can write your > own scripts > and programs which can be downloaded, compiled and > saved onto > the JTAG Widget ready for your next session. At the > lowest > level, talking directly to the JTAG widget through a > terminal > emulator is using a very powerful command-line > debugger and > Flash programmer with scripting facilities. > Download the JTAG Widget manual. > Download the Forth kernel manual. " > > and clicked both manuals, and .pdf files opened for > me. > > Are you set up with Adobe Reader? > > Those links lead to: > > http://www.mpeforth.com/arena/JTAGwidget.pdf > and > http://www.mpeforth.com/arena/usbstampcode.pdf > > Randy > www.newmicros.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
2005-11-04 by Eric Engler
--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Wade" <tim.wade@n...> wrote: > You might like to consider the Crossconnect from Rowley as they are in > the throughs of providing a DLL for connecting to it and it is quite > cheap -- about 100 quid. I'll keep my eyes on them. I didn't consider them before because I though their USB adapter only worked with their CrossWorks, but I guess that's not the case? I don't have a commercial interest in the ARM platform right now, so I can't buy an expensive tool set. > I did try the Jlink while the DLL was free > and had a few issues with it loosing control of the ARM and I wasn't all > that happy with its behaviour Do you still have the free DLL for Jlink? Can you email it to me? I'm confused about the current status of their DLL. Are they charging money for the DLL now, or is the fee only for the .h and .lib files? If they charge for the DLL itself then that would be totally unacceptable because nobody could use my JTAG tools unless they also paid for the DLL. That model doesn't work for freeware programs! Eric
2005-11-04 by Joel Winarske
> I'm confused about the current status of their DLL. Are they charging > money for the DLL now, or is the fee only for the .h and .lib files? The drivers for the Segger J-Link are available to download from http://www.segger.com/downloads.html The RDI variation of their driver costs money, the development version costs money, all others are free. I you have a J-Link it will work out of the box with IAR EWBARM Kickstart (free) and above. > If they charge for the DLL itself then that would be totally > unacceptable because nobody could use my JTAG tools unless they also > paid for the DLL. That model doesn't work for freeware programs! You can make a Wiggler compatible adaptor: http://jtag-arm9.sourceforge.net/circuit.txt Also look at the bottom of this page: http://www.macraigor.com/swproducts.htm JTAG faq: http://hri.sourceforge.net/tools/jtag_faq_org.html