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FW: [motm] Re: Fixed Filter Bank

FW: [motm] Re: Fixed Filter Bank

2002-03-01 by Tkacs, Ken

Some time ago, I sketched out a plan for a series of such sub-modules that
could be patched together to create vocoders, Shepard function generators,
and other such "spectral" effects. Fully modular (like the "SuperMoe for
Vocoders). I don't have my notes with me, but I think it was not many
modules... filterbank, envelope follower bank, VCA bank, 8-phase LFO... I
can't remember now.

Sounds like heavy hardware, but my thinking was that the VCAs, etc, need not
be super-high quality. The multiphase LFO I was thinking of doing cheaply
ala Simonton's design for the PAIA Shepard function generator. The EF bank I
was going to use companding chips, the way that Anderton did, to keep parts
counts down. I wanted the money to go into more bands, so I was going to
compromise on the little details, since these were very specific modules and
not meant to replace 8 MOTM VCAs or anything like that for critical aspects
of a voice (although they would be available individually).

Graphic equalizers tend to have octave spacing, but I think for this kind of
work, it's not always best. For instance, Serge's FFB uses "7th" spacing so
that, over the audible spectrum, certain tones and their harmonics aren't
over-emphasized.

I was actually playing around with the idea of selecting the center
frequencies of the bands based on key human vocal formants. You know, target
*those* to improve vocoder response, rather than arbitrarily spacing them
according to the octave. Of course, this favors human speech, but somewhere
I had found a compromise that I thought would work well generally. The bands
WERE equally spaced, yet fell quite close to male & female key formants. It
was like... 1/5.5 octave spacing or something odd. Looked good on
paper...don't know if it's a fool's errand or not.

Wish I had my notes. It was a huge, deeply considered plan. Just on paper,
of course.

Mr. T
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From: paulhaneberg [mailto:phaneber@...] 

Here's my ideas for a FFB.  18 or 20 bands, 1 octave apart for the 
highest and lowest bands, 1/3 octave or less apart in the middle.
Individual outputs for each band and an envelope follower for each 
band as well with the follower response tuned to that particular 
frequency range.  A follower output for each band as well.
This thing could be used as a front end for a vocoder.  A second one 
with the addition of a bunch of VCAs could be the back end of a 
vocoder.  You could split a sound into a bunch of bands and 
manipulate each band differently.
I'd love to hear others ideas on this thing as well.

FW: [motm] Re: Fixed Filter Bank

2002-03-11 by Tkacs, Ken

I'm curious, why not the 914?


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Schreiber [mailto:synth1@...] 

Yes, there will be a MOTM Fixed-Filter Bank based on the Moog 907A.

When? After the '130, for sure!

Paul S.

FW: [motm] Re: Fixed Filter Bank

2002-03-11 by Tkacs, Ken

Oh. Okay, yeah---that sounds good. 907A.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Schreiber [mailto:synth1@...] 

I don't want it to cost $600.

Paul S.

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From: "Tkacs, Ken" <ken.tkacs@...>


> I'm curious, why not the 914?
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Schreiber [mailto:synth1@...] 
> 
> Yes, there will be a MOTM Fixed-Filter Bank based on the Moog 907A.
> 
> When? After the '130, for sure!
> 
> Paul S.

FW: [motm] Re: Fixed Filter Bank

2002-03-12 by edibennardo

>> From: Paul Schreiber [mailto:synth1@a...] 
 Yes, there will be a MOTM Fixed-Filter Bank based on the Moog 907A.

> From: "Tkacs, Ken" <ken.tkacs@j...>
> I'm curious, why not the 914?

>> From: Paul Schreiber [mailto:synth1@a...] 
>>I don't want it to cost $600.
> Paul S.> > 

A 907A would be fantastic but a 914 would perhaps fulfill more 
dreams... so here is my thought:
I think the policy of complete kits is a warranty for the overall 
quality of the module (MOTM is a standard now)and, though I love 
partial kits I can not object anything to this "complete kits" choice 
but, maybe in a very few occasions, the choice of partial kits (Pcb 
and F.P. i.e.)could be of some help. Big projects like a FFB, 
Sequencer (Supermoe or Minimoes) or a Vocoder would become more 
affordable at the beginning for many of us and the only "serious 
risk" i.m.o. is that there might be a few modules around with 
scratchy low quality pots bearing the MOTM name but I would think 
seriously about this possibility of partial kits for very big 
projects.
Enrico (Sicily)

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