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triggering MOTM with SH101

triggering MOTM with SH101

2002-07-20 by Inform3r

Hey Guys,

    I just took a stab at triggering my MOTM system with the CV/Gate outs of
an SH-101. It didnt work.... here's what I did, maybe someone cant help me
out on this.

    I took the gate out on the 101 and plugged it directly into the MOTM-110
CV input. I thought I would experiment and use the sh101's EG instead of my
800's. Then I took the sh101's CV out and plugged it into the 300's 1V/OCT.
I started playing the 101 and all I could hear were little "clicks" upon
pressing the keys. I messed with the 101's "gate/trig" switch but it didnt
make a difference. Any ideas?
    What do you guys trigger your system with? I'm tired of having to turn
my whole MIDI rig + computer on just to use my modular!!

                    Thanks,
                    John Langdon

Re: [motm] triggering MOTM with SH101

2002-07-20 by jwbarlow@aol.com

In a message dated 7/20/2002 4:29:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, inform3r@... writes:
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I took the gate out on the 101 and plugged it directly into the MOTM-110
CV input


The 110 CV input "wants to see" a CV, not a gate (though the action you describe sounds more like a trigger anyway), it actually should do something if the gate is of any usable level (like 5V) -- it should at least go on and off. You'll want to have some sort of envelope out (probably not available on the SH 101) to use the 110 CV input.

Before you disconnect it however, try turning the gain all the way up on the 110 and see if the 300 is working correctly with the SH 101 CV.

JB

Re: [motm] triggering MOTM with SH101

2002-07-21 by J. Larry Hendry

If it were a true gate, at least you should get "gate on / off" action this way. But, no way will the EG controls on the SH101 effect the gate out. I agree with JB. It sounds like the "gate out" of the SH101 may be more like a trigger. So, take a MOTM-800 EG and run that CV to the 110 CV. Then, try the SH-101 gate out in the gate in of the 800 and the trigger in of the 800.
Well, that is what makes sense to me.
Larry H
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In a message dated 7/20/2002 4:29:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, inform3r@... writes:


I took the gate out on the 101 and plugged it directly into the MOTM-110
CV input


The 110 CV input "wants to see" a CV, not a gate (though the action you describe sounds more like a trigger anyway), it actually should do something if the gate is of any usable level (like 5V) -- it should at least go on and off. You'll want to have some sort of envelope out (probably not available on the SH 101) to use the 110 CV input.

Before you disconnect it however, try turning the gain all the way up on the 110 and see if the 300 is working correctly with the SH 101 CV.

JB


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Re: [motm] triggering MOTM with SH101

2002-07-21 by ixqy@aol.com

In a message dated Sat, 20 Jul 2002 7:48:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlarryh@... writes:

>  So, take a MOTM-800 EG and run that CV to the 110 CV.  Then, try the SH-101 gate out in the gate in of the 800 and the trigger in of the 800.  
> Well, that is what makes sense to me.
> Larry H


 Yep! This is exactly how I hooked up my SH-101 and it works fine. The one thing that I didn't like about using the SH-101 is that the bender/mod lever doesn't transmit their effects through the CV out jack. I guess most vintage synths are this way(?)... Anyway, that fact and the short keyboard kept me from using it in the long term. I like having a full 5 octaves of keys available when patching on MOTM. Even more so when the day comes that I get a tracking generator module in my setup. :) 

 Andrew

Re: [motm] triggering MOTM with SH101

2002-07-21 by media.nai@rcn.com

>    I just took a stab at triggering my MOTM system with the CV/Gate
>outs of an SH-101. It didnt work.... here's what I did, maybe someone cant
>>help me out on this.

Even though several other people have given helpful answers, since I use
both a 110 and an SH-101, I'd thought I'd chime in, even though I haven't
finished my coffee yet.  Yeah, I know it's after 9 AM already -- I think I
might have drank a bit much watching the Forrest-Mosley rubbermatch.

Anyway, it will have an effect, but by using the gate output directly the
110 VCA will simply jump between two different states.

>    I took the gate out on the 101 and plugged it directly into the
>>MOTM-110 CV input. I thought I would experiment and use the sh101's EG
>>instead of my 800's.

An SH-101 doesn't have an envelope output.

>Then I took the sh101's CV out and plugged it into the 300's 1V/OCT.

That should work fine.  Keep in mind that the SH-101's D/A converter is
basically just a 4052 mux, so it can't take full advantage of the 300's
legendary precision.

>I started playing the 101 and all I could hear were little "clicks" upon
>pressing the keys. I messed with the 101's "gate/trig" switch but it didnt
>make a difference. Any ideas?

Try using your 800!!  The 800 is very versatile and very x0xbox friendly.
It will work with Roland drum triggers (707, 808, 909) using only the
trigger input, and Roland gates (101, 202, 303) using only the gate input.
Keep in mind that a Roland gate output is either on or off.  It does not
communicate any sort trigger information, and will drop and reset the 800
on each new note no matter what.

>    What do you guys trigger your system with? I'm tired of having to turn
>my whole MIDI rig + computer on just to use my modular!!

Well, if you use the 800 you could use your MIDI controller with a MIDI to
CV converter, and most likely take advantage of both the gate and trigger
inputs.  You could also control the 110 directly by using a CC to play slow
pads, modulate drum loops, etc.

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