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Re: [motm] Time for the crazy questions

Re: [motm] Time for the crazy questions

2001-01-29 by markus

i'm not sure to address this to dave or larry, but i would buy a 1u panel 
that is accurately pre-drilled with 16 holes (for 1/4" phone jacks). or at 
least four at the bottom (very MOTM).  no silkscreening required.

doing this myself with a drill press, i've messed up some panels enough to 
cause the jacks to not clear the bottom rail, so the panel doesn't fit in a 
standard 1u space.

regards,
mark scetta
now a newyorker (yea!)


At 07:18 PM 1/29/01 -0600, you wrote:
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>Your timing could not be better.  We are about to embark on another run of
>panels.  There will be two types:
>
>1 - reprints of the popular panels from last run.  Go back to Dave's Hot Rod
>site and see what is available.
>
>2 - Some new designs.  E-mail Dave Bradley directly with your suggestions.
>He is making a list now of what people would like to see.  The results of
>what people ask for will dictate what panels are designed and made this time
>around.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Bruce Henderson <bruce@...>
>I took a look at the links Larry was kind enough to post, and that
>raised some questions.
>
>3) Panels Panels. I read the back discussion on the list, and there are
>references to folks having made up custom panels to allow "OPM" (other
>people's modules) to look more MOTM like. Any of this stuff still left
>for us late comers?
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [motm] Time for the crazy questions

2001-01-29 by dave

Perhaps something else might fit in the hole besides a jack?

Dave

Jeffrey Pontius wrote:
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> 
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, J. Larry Hendry wrote:
> 
> > It's not for a mult.  :)
> 
> Then I'm confused (as usual) as to why someone would want 16 1/4" jack
> sockets(?)
>

Time for the crazy questions

2001-01-29 by Bruce Henderson

Ok,

I took a look at the links Larry was kind enough to post, and that
raised some questions.

1) Cabenets.  All of you guys seem to go for the 19" cabs.  That's fine,
but I am more interested in something wider (wider is better as the
ancestors say...).  So the real gating issue here would be the rails to
mount the MOTM modules on.  I know that SynthTech has ones that are 19"
wide, what if I wanted 24"?  Paul, that monster truck modular you had at
NAMM was pretty broad in the beam, what were those mounted on?

2) Panel Dividers.  I took a look at the beefy modular that Dave Fulton
put together for Threshold.  Nice job.  But check out those little
"things" between the panels.  Multi colored strips of whatsit?  What are
they? How were they made?  I like it, how do I build some?

http://threshold.opb.org/Generation/motm/nmotm4.jpg shows it pretty well

3) Panels Panels. I read the back discussion on the list, and there are
references to folks having made up custom panels to allow "OPM" (other
people's modules) to look more MOTM like. Any of this stuff still left
for us late comers?  

4) Modules from the great beyond.  For some reason that I cannot
explain, life has left me with 2 RSF Kobol expanders, a I & II panel. 
They work nicely together, but I have not a clue if the MOTM stuff will
speak the same language from a voltage perspective.  My wee Frenchie
bits did not come with documentation.  Anyone out there in AnalogLand
have an idea of compatability?

Thanks for putting up with the questions.  I find this whole thing
pretty neat.  

Bruce

VISIO template for you

2001-01-30 by Cap'n F.M. Bleep

hey there...

who needs staraudio when you've got me, your friendly neighborhood
information designer (and visio fiend)? i just whipped up a visio template
for use with MOTM and derivative (e.g., stooge-produced) modules... this
template will let you model your system easily, then just twiddle knobs
and draw patchcords to document your juicy patches.

currently, it only consists of module pieces, panels, knobs, jacks, and
patchcords (working on switches & LEDs), but eventually i'll make a whole
freaking module library. prob. have to limit that only to MOTM ones
though, otherwise i'll never get to patch again. :)

i tried to post this on the egroups page, but apparently it has gone away.
i cannot find us on yahoo either... do we exist? anyway, if you want this
template, email me privately. after a few days, i'll send a mass mail to
all respondents that includes the template and instructions on how to work
with it (some bits are funky).

bleep.
out.

Re: Time for the crazy questions

2001-01-30 by mate_stubb@yahoo.com

Har! In one succinct email you have summed up almost all the MOTM 
MYSTERIES OF LIFE!

Cabs - there is no official support for wide wooden cabinets. Many of 
us are building them, however. You will see email references to "flat 
rails" from time to time. These are 1/2" wide strip steel with 
drilled and tapped holes, designed to be mounted to a wooden cross 
rail. Paul looked into providing these awhile back, but there's no 
joy yet. I'm building a cab right now that employs wood rails with 
threaded brass inserts installed. Others just find nice looking black 
wood screws and screw directly into a wooden rail.

Panel dividers - that's colored tape applied to the panel edges that 
you see on Dave Fulton's synth. I had white ChartPak tape on my 
modules awhile and loved the look. Unfortunately, tape can and will 
deteriorate, and ruin the panel underneath, so I removed mine while 
looking for another solution. I've looked at brass channel which 
slips over the edge, but it spreads the panels out to where they need 
nonstandard hole spacing, and it's a bit too wide anyway. So no joy 
there either - yet.

Panels - Stooge Larry Hendry and Stooge Moe (that's me) provide this 
service. No panels are stocked, everybody orders what they want. 
Kinda like Girl Scout cookies, except we pay up front. Your timing is 
pretty good, because there will be another opportunity to order in a 
couple of weeks.

Great Beyond - I can't provide any info on toe Kobol voltage 
standards, but the MOTM standards are on the official website. They 
are fairly, well, standard for the industry.

Moe

Dave's Hot Rod MOTM Shop
http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveb2

--- In motm@y..., Bruce Henderson <bruce@s...> wrote:
> Ok,
> 
> I took a look at the links Larry was kind enough to post, and that
> raised some questions.
> 
> 1) Cabenets.  All of you guys seem to go for the 19" cabs.  That's 
fine,
> but I am more interested in something wider (wider is better as the
> ancestors say...).  So the real gating issue here would be the 
rails to
> mount the MOTM modules on.  I know that SynthTech has ones that are 
19"
> wide, what if I wanted 24"?  Paul, that monster truck modular you 
had at
> NAMM was pretty broad in the beam, what were those mounted on?
> 
> 2) Panel Dividers.  I took a look at the beefy modular that Dave 
Fulton
> put together for Threshold.  Nice job.  But check out those little
> "things" between the panels.  Multi colored strips of whatsit?  
What are
> they? How were they made?  I like it, how do I build some?
> 
> http://threshold.opb.org/Generation/motm/nmotm4.jpg shows it pretty 
well
> 
> 3) Panels Panels. I read the back discussion on the list, and there 
are
> references to folks having made up custom panels to allow "OPM" 
(other
> people's modules) to look more MOTM like. Any of this stuff still 
left
> for us late comers?  
> 
> 4) Modules from the great beyond.  For some reason that I cannot
> explain, life has left me with 2 RSF Kobol expanders, a I & II 
panel. 
> They work nicely together, but I have not a clue if the MOTM stuff 
will
> speak the same language from a voltage perspective.  My wee Frenchie
> bits did not come with documentation.  Anyone out there in 
AnalogLand
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> have an idea of compatability?
> 
> Thanks for putting up with the questions.  I find this whole thing
> pretty neat.  
> 
> Bruce

Re: [motm] Time for the crazy questions

2001-01-30 by jwbarlow@aol.com

In a message dated 1/29/2001 4:11:45 PM, bruce@... writes:

>I know that SynthTech has ones that are 19"
>wide, what if I wanted 24"? 

Yeah! What if I wanted to use 24" rails too??!! I wonder if anyone else does?

John (smartass) Barlow
BTW, welcome Bruce and Joe (and everyone else)!

Re: [motm] Time for the crazy questions

2001-01-30 by J. Larry Hendry

Your timing could not be better.  We are about to embark on another run of
panels.  There will be two types:

1 - reprints of the popular panels from last run.  Go back to Dave's Hot Rod
site and see what is available.

2 - Some new designs.  E-mail Dave Bradley directly with your suggestions.
He is making a list now of what people would like to see.  The results of
what people ask for will dictate what panels are designed and made this time
around.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Henderson <bruce@...>
I took a look at the links Larry was kind enough to post, and that
raised some questions.

3) Panels Panels. I read the back discussion on the list, and there are
references to folks having made up custom panels to allow "OPM" (other
people's modules) to look more MOTM like. Any of this stuff still left
for us late comers?

Re: Time for the crazy questions

2001-01-30 by dfulton@threshold.opb.org

--- In motm@y..., mate_stubb@y... wrote:

> Panel dividers - that's colored tape applied to the panel edges that 
> you see on Dave Fulton's synth. I had white ChartPak tape on my 
> modules awhile and loved the look. Unfortunately, tape can and will 
> deteriorate, and ruin the panel underneath, so I removed mine while 
> looking for another solution.

Hmmm.... I have pulled off my tape several times and aside from a very 
small amount of residue from the adhesive there was no damage. The 
adhesive comes off with a small amount of alcohol and the panel looks 
brand new.

There is tape we use at work for labeling console channel strips that 
we change from production to production it also leaves very little 
residue and it cleans with just a small dab of alcohol.

But it is true some stuff (like masking tape!) can never come off!

Dave

RE: [motm] VISIO template for you

2001-01-30 by Cary Roberts

Or you could send it to me and I could host it on my website.  I have
anonymous ftp upload so you can upload till your heart's content.

-Cary
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-----Original Message-----
From: Cap'n F.M. Bleep [mailto:bleep@...]
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 4:27 PM
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [motm] VISIO template for you


hey there...

who needs staraudio when you've got me, your friendly neighborhood
information designer (and visio fiend)? i just whipped up a visio template
for use with MOTM and derivative (e.g., stooge-produced) modules... this
template will let you model your system easily, then just twiddle knobs
and draw patchcords to document your juicy patches.

currently, it only consists of module pieces, panels, knobs, jacks, and
patchcords (working on switches & LEDs), but eventually i'll make a whole
freaking module library. prob. have to limit that only to MOTM ones
though, otherwise i'll never get to patch again. :)

i tried to post this on the egroups page, but apparently it has gone away.
i cannot find us on yahoo either... do we exist? anyway, if you want this
template, email me privately. after a few days, i'll send a mass mail to
all respondents that includes the template and instructions on how to work
with it (some bits are funky).

bleep.
out.

Re: [motm] Time for the crazy questions

2001-01-30 by elhardt@aol.com

jwbarlow@... writes:

>>Yeah! What if I wanted to use 24" rails too??!! I wonder if anyone else 
does?<<

The answer for me was 1 1/2" x 3/4" pine.  For as long as I have been on this 
list there have been threads about rails and I don't know that any final 
solution has ever come about.  I figured the hell with it all and just went 
with wood.  Unless you plan on moving modules around on a daily basis, wood 
works just fine.  It can be as long as you want (might need some diagonal 
supports), you can space modules how you want, mix in other manufacturers and 
it's really inexpensive.

-Elhardt

Re: [motm] Time for the crazy questions

2001-01-30 by Jeffrey Pontius

On Sun, 28 Jan 2001, markus wrote:

> i'm not sure to address this to dave or larry, but i would buy a 1u panel 
> that is accurately pre-drilled with 16 holes (for 1/4" phone jacks). or at 
> least four at the bottom (very MOTM).  no silkscreening required.
> 
Why not just purchase a 910 from Paul?

Re: [motm] Time for the crazy questions

2001-01-30 by Jeffrey Pontius

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, J. Larry Hendry wrote:

> It's not for a mult.  :)

Then I'm confused (as usual) as to why someone would want 16 1/4" jack
sockets(?)


> > i'm not sure to address this to dave or larry, but i would buy a 1u panel
> > that is accurately pre-drilled with 16 holes (for 1/4" phone jacks). or at
> > least four at the bottom (very MOTM).  no silkscreening required.
> >
> Why not just purchase a 910 from Paul?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [motm] Time for the crazy questions

2001-01-30 by J. Larry Hendry

It's not for a mult.  :)
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From: Jeffrey Pontius <jpont@...>
To: <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [motm] Time for the crazy questions


On Sun, 28 Jan 2001, markus wrote:

> i'm not sure to address this to dave or larry, but i would buy a 1u panel
> that is accurately pre-drilled with 16 holes (for 1/4" phone jacks). or at
> least four at the bottom (very MOTM).  no silkscreening required.
>
Why not just purchase a 910 from Paul?

sockets only/custom string filter

2001-01-30 by norman fay

In message <Pine.SOL.3.96L.1010130113554.23718A-
100000@...>, Jeffrey Pontius <jpont@...> writes
>On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, J. Larry Hendry wrote:
>
>> It's not for a mult.  :)
>
>Then I'm confused (as usual) as to why someone would want 16 1/4" jack
>sockets(?)
>
>
Dunno about this, but when I was planning out my serge modular ( a
l*****o*****n****g term ongoing project)  I did try to arrange it so I'd
have a panel with just sockets - no knobs or switches!  I thought it
would look really cool.  Couldn't quite manage it without compromising
intuitiveness tho'.
ah well...
on the subject of serge related stuff...
I just got a reply from an AH listmember about the hyper-realistic
violin sound serge/sound transform sys associate kevin braheny uses on
one of his albums ("Western Spaces", with steve roach & richard burmer)
I always thought this was made using a big serge modular, but apparently
not, its (I quote)

"an EWI with a custom string filter designed by 
Steiner. Anyone with an original EWI/EVI could have had one installed 
by Steiner, you just had to wait forever"

hmmmm, any designer types reading this?

"A custom string filter"

Try to hear this album, this is one processor I'm sure people are going
to want...

best wishes (& curious)
-- 
norman fay/vietgrove
newcastle england

Re: [motm] Time for the crazy questions

2001-01-30 by bigd@buffalo.com

Anyone have a MOTM rimshot patch ?   LOl  : )
Jim

dave wrote:
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> Perhaps something else might fit in the hole besides a jack?
>
> Dave
>
> Jeffrey Pontius wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, J. Larry Hendry wrote:
> >
> > > It's not for a mult.  :)
> >
> > Then I'm confused (as usual) as to why someone would want 16 1/4" jack
> > sockets(?)
> >
>

Re: [motm] Time for the crazy questions

2001-01-30 by vee cee oh

i would expect panels would be under $30USD. 

what's a 910? 

mark


--- Jeffrey Pontius <jpont@...> wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jan 2001, markus wrote:
> 
> > i'm not sure to address this to dave or larry, but
> i would buy a 1u panel 
> > that is accurately pre-drilled with 16 holes (for
> 1/4" phone jacks). or at 
> > least four at the bottom (very MOTM).  no
> silkscreening required.
> > 
> Why not just purchase a 910 from Paul?
> 
> 
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Re: [motm] Time for the crazy questions

2001-01-30 by vee cee oh

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Re: [motm] sockets only/custom string filter

2001-01-31 by elhardt@aol.com

NFAY@... writes:

>>I just got a reply from an AH listmember about the hyper-realistic
 violin sound serge/sound transform sys associate kevin braheny uses on
 one of his albums ("Western Spaces", with steve roach & richard burmer)
 I always thought this was made using a big serge modular, but apparently
 not, its (I quote)
 
"an EWI with a custom string filter designed by 
 Steiner. Anyone with an original EWI/EVI could have had one installed 
 by Steiner, you just had to wait forever"
 hmmmm, any designer types reading this?
"A custom string filter"<<

Moog CE supposedly offers the old Moog string filter in module or stand alone 
form, or so said their site the last time I visited it.  And some list member 
bought the only "Formular Sound" string filter ever made that was either used 
by Patrick Gleeson or Micheal Boddicker, I can't remember which one.  If 
offered enough, maybe he'll sell it.

Or you can do what I did, buy a Nord Modular (or Micro Modular) and create a 
string resonator in a patch or to process external audio, as in my sample 
MP3's (Cello,Strings) at the bottom of the following page.

http://www.midiwall.com/nordmodular/nord-snd.htm

-Elhardt

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