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Grounding Issue?

Grounding Issue?

2012-02-24 by tron400

#500 has had an intermittant hum for a while now. I thought that maybe it was related to the volume pedal jack, but I noticed yesterday that the volume of the hum changes when I move the track selector. Track C doesn't seem to have any hum, but Tracks A and B do. Any idea what the cause might be?

Bernie

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Grounding Issue?

2012-02-24 by john barrick

Maybe the cable going from the head block to the preamp?
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On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:45 PM, tron400 <tron400@yahoo.com> wrote:

#500 has had an intermittant hum for a while now. I thought that maybe it was related to the volume pedal jack, but I noticed yesterday that the volume of the hum changes when I move the track selector. Track C doesn't seem to have any hum, but Tracks A and B do. Any idea what the cause might be?

Bernie

--
john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Grounding Issue?

2012-02-24 by john barrick

Try putting it in the C position and then wiggle the cable a bit while playing a note. That may reproduce it.
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On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:53 PM, john barrick <barrickjohn262@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe the cable going from the head block to the preamp?


On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:45 PM, tron400 <tron400@yahoo.com> wrote:

#500 has had an intermittant hum for a while now. I thought that maybe it was related to the volume pedal jack, but I noticed yesterday that the volume of the hum changes when I move the track selector. Track C doesn't seem to have any hum, but Tracks A and B do. Any idea what the cause might be?

Bernie
-

john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Grounding Issue?

2012-02-25 by Bruce Daily

Hey Bernie-
  The headblock must remain electrically isolated from the chassis to avoid this.
  Last time this happened to me I had a missing headblock roller (previous owner's fault, which I fixed).  Therefore, the headblock was rubbing the chassis, which changed the hum when different tracks were selected.  A bad cable can also cause this problem, but it is usually screechy(not good for tapes).  Check the w-clips that hold down the headblock, their centering washers may be off-set or worn through, and may be causing the short.  You may have to remove the headblock to fix this one.
  The track selector mechanism can also cause this short.  However, if this is the machine that Jerry Korb refurbished, he probably already fixed this.
 
  Hope this helps, best of luck.  More sugar!
 
  -Bruce Daily
 
 

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 From: john barrick <barrickjohn262@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Grounding Issue?
  

 
   
 
Try putting it in the C position and then wiggle the cable a bit while playing a note.  That may reproduce it.


On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:53 PM, john barrick <barrickjohn262@gmail.com> wrote:

Maybe the cable going from the head block to the preamp?
>
>
>
>On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:45 PM, tron400 <tron400@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> 
>>  
>>#500 has had an intermittant hum for a while now. I thought that maybe it was related to the volume pedal jack, but I noticed yesterday that the volume of the hum changes when I move the track selector. Track C doesn't seem to have any hum, but Tracks A and B do. Any idea what the cause might be?
>>
>>Bernie
>>- john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time* 
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Grounding Issue?

2012-02-25 by lsf5275@aol.com

I'm guessing that when you switch tracks there is something causing the  
head block to ground. Check the retainer springs and make sure that they are  
isolated from the head block channel at the bottom (half-grommet in good 
shape)  and that they do not come in contact with the tape guides. Also check 
that the  head block rollers are properly positioned and in good shape.
 
 
In a message dated 2/24/2012 3:46:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tron400@yahoo.com writes:

 
 
 
#500 has had an intermittant hum for a while now. I thought that maybe it  
was related to the volume pedal jack, but I noticed yesterday that the 
volume  of the hum changes when I move the track selector. Track C doesn't seem 
to  have any hum, but Tracks A and B do. Any idea what the cause might  be?

Bernie

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Grounding Issue?

2012-02-25 by lsf5275@aol.com

Good call Bruce... I didn't see your post or I wouldn't have repeated the  
information.
 
Frank
 
 
In a message dated 2/25/2012 1:30:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
pocotron@yahoo.com writes:

 
 
 
 
Hey Bernie-
  The headblock must remain electrically isolated from the  chassis to 
avoid this.
  Last time this happened to me I had a missing headblock  roller (previous 
owner's fault, which I fixed).  Therefore, the headblock  was rubbing the 
chassis, which changed the hum when different tracks were  selected.  A bad 
cable can also cause this problem, but it is usually  screechy(not good for 
tapes).  Check the w-clips that hold down the  headblock, their centering 
washers may be off-set or worn through, and may be  causing the short.  You may 
have to remove the headblock to fix this  one.
  The track selector mechanism can also cause this  short.  However, if 
this is the machine that Jerry Korb refurbished, he  probably already fixed 
this.
 
  Hope this helps, best of luck.  More  sugar!
 
  -Bruce Daily
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From: john  barrick <barrickjohn262@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com  
Sent: Friday, February 24,  2012 1:55 PM
Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Grounding Issue?



 
 
Try putting it in the C position and then wiggle the cable a bit while  
playing a note.  That may reproduce it.

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:53 PM, john  barrick <_barrickjohn262@gmail.com_ 
(mailto:barrickjohn262@gmail.com) >  wrote:

Maybe the cable going from the head block to  the preamp?  
 


On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:45 PM, tron400  <_tron400@yahoo.com_ 
(mailto:tron400@yahoo.com) >  wrote:


 
 
 
#500 has had an intermittant hum for a while now. I thought that  maybe it 
was related to the volume pedal jack, but I noticed yesterday  that the 
volume of the hum changes when I move the track selector. Track C  doesn't seem 
to have any hum, but Tracks A and B do. Any idea what the  cause might  be?

Bernie
- 










john barrick


*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it  righter*

Re: Grounding Issue?

2012-02-25 by tron400

Wouldn't you know, it's not acting up at the moment. I'll have to leave it running for a while.

Jerry put a new cable in when he refurbished it. The old one had the screeching cable rot.

BTW, anyone have an empty frame laying around?

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
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>
> Good call Bruce... I didn't see your post or I wouldn't have repeated the  
> information.
>  
> Frank
>  
>  
> In a message dated 2/25/2012 1:30:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> pocotron@... writes:
> 
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Hey Bernie-
>   The headblock must remain electrically isolated from the  chassis to 
> avoid this.
>   Last time this happened to me I had a missing headblock  roller (previous 
> owner's fault, which I fixed).  Therefore, the headblock  was rubbing the 
> chassis, which changed the hum when different tracks were  selected.  A bad 
> cable can also cause this problem, but it is usually  screechy(not good for 
> tapes).  Check the w-clips that hold down the  headblock, their centering 
> washers may be off-set or worn through, and may be  causing the short.  You may 
> have to remove the headblock to fix this  one.
>   The track selector mechanism can also cause this  short.  However, if 
> this is the machine that Jerry Korb refurbished, he  probably already fixed 
> this.
>  
>   Hope this helps, best of luck.  More  sugar!
>  
>   -Bruce Daily
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> From: john  barrick <barrickjohn262@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com  
> Sent: Friday, February 24,  2012 1:55 PM
> Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Grounding Issue?
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> Try putting it in the C position and then wiggle the cable a bit while  
> playing a note.  That may reproduce it.
> 
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:53 PM, john  barrick <_barrickjohn262@..._ 
> (mailto:barrickjohn262@...) >  wrote:
> 
> Maybe the cable going from the head block to  the preamp?  
>  
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:45 PM, tron400  <_tron400@..._ 
> (mailto:tron400@...) >  wrote:
> 
> 
>  
>  
>  
> #500 has had an intermittant hum for a while now. I thought that  maybe it 
> was related to the volume pedal jack, but I noticed yesterday  that the 
> volume of the hum changes when I move the track selector. Track C  doesn't seem 
> to have any hum, but Tracks A and B do. Any idea what the  cause might  be?
> 
> Bernie
> - 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> john barrick
> 
> 
> *Leo got it right the first time*
> *then he added a second pickup and got it  righter*
>

Re: Grounding Issue?

2012-02-26 by tron400

Looks like it was one of the spring hooks that holds the head block in place. One of them was not in its hole.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:
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>
> Wouldn't you know, it's not acting up at the moment. I'll have to leave it running for a while.
> 
> Jerry put a new cable in when he refurbished it. The old one had the screeching cable rot.
> 
> BTW, anyone have an empty frame laying around?
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > Good call Bruce... I didn't see your post or I wouldn't have repeated the  
> > information.
> >  
> > Frank
> >  
> >  
> > In a message dated 2/25/2012 1:30:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> > pocotron@ writes:
> > 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > Hey Bernie-
> >   The headblock must remain electrically isolated from the  chassis to 
> > avoid this.
> >   Last time this happened to me I had a missing headblock  roller (previous 
> > owner's fault, which I fixed).  Therefore, the headblock  was rubbing the 
> > chassis, which changed the hum when different tracks were  selected.  A bad 
> > cable can also cause this problem, but it is usually  screechy(not good for 
> > tapes).  Check the w-clips that hold down the  headblock, their centering 
> > washers may be off-set or worn through, and may be  causing the short.  You may 
> > have to remove the headblock to fix this  one.
> >   The track selector mechanism can also cause this  short.  However, if 
> > this is the machine that Jerry Korb refurbished, he  probably already fixed 
> > this.
> >  
> >   Hope this helps, best of luck.  More  sugar!
> >  
> >   -Bruce Daily
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > From: john  barrick <barrickjohn262@>
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com  
> > Sent: Friday, February 24,  2012 1:55 PM
> > Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Grounding Issue?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> >  
> > Try putting it in the C position and then wiggle the cable a bit while  
> > playing a note.  That may reproduce it.
> > 
> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:53 PM, john  barrick <_barrickjohn262@_ 
> > (mailto:barrickjohn262@) >  wrote:
> > 
> > Maybe the cable going from the head block to  the preamp?  
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:45 PM, tron400  <_tron400@_ 
> > (mailto:tron400@) >  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > #500 has had an intermittant hum for a while now. I thought that  maybe it 
> > was related to the volume pedal jack, but I noticed yesterday  that the 
> > volume of the hum changes when I move the track selector. Track C  doesn't seem 
> > to have any hum, but Tracks A and B do. Any idea what the  cause might  be?
> > 
> > Bernie
> > - 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > john barrick
> > 
> > 
> > *Leo got it right the first time*
> > *then he added a second pickup and got it  righter*
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Grounding Issue?

2012-02-26 by lsf5275@aol.com

With Mellotrons, as with Harley Davidsons, start with the simplest  
possibility and work your way up. Most of the problems are resolved at 'simple."  
Glad you found and fixed it.
 
Frank
 
 
In a message dated 2/25/2012 7:34:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tron400@yahoo.com writes:

 
 
 
Looks like it was one of the spring hooks that holds the head block in  
place. One of them was not in its hole.

Bernie

--- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:
>
> Wouldn't you know, it's  not acting up at the moment. I'll have to leave 
it running for a  while.
> 
> Jerry put a new cable in when he refurbished it. The  old one had the 
screeching cable rot.
> 
> BTW, anyone have an  empty frame laying around?
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > Good call Bruce... I didn't see your  post or I wouldn't have repeated 
the 
> > information.
> >  
> > Frank
> > 
> > 
> > In a message  dated 2/25/2012 1:30:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> > pocotron@  writes:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > Hey Bernie-
> > The headblock must remain electrically  isolated from the chassis to 
> > avoid this.
> > Last time  this happened to me I had a missing headblock roller 
(previous 
> >  owner's fault, which I fixed). Therefore, the headblock was rubbing 
the  
> > chassis, which changed the hum when different tracks were  selected. A 
bad 
> > cable can also cause this problem, but it is  usually screechy(not good 
for 
> > tapes). Check the w-clips that  hold down the headblock, their 
centering 
> > washers may be off-set  or worn through, and may be causing the short. 
You may 
> > have to  remove the headblock to fix this one.
> > The track selector  mechanism can also cause this short. However, if 
> > this is the  machine that Jerry Korb refurbished, he probably already 
fixed 
> >  this.
> > 
> > Hope this helps, best of luck. More  sugar!
> > 
> > -Bruce Daily
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
>  > From: john barrick <barrickjohn262@>
> > To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   
> > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:55 PM
> > Subject:  Re: [newmellotrongroup] Grounding Issue?
> > 
> > 
>  > 
> > 
> > 
> > Try putting it in the C  position and then wiggle the cable a bit while 
> > playing a note.  That may reproduce it.
> > 
> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:53  PM, john barrick <_barrickjohn262@_ 
> > (mailto:barrickjohn262@)  > wrote:
> > 
> > Maybe the cable going from the head  block to the preamp? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:45 PM, tron400 <_tron400@_ 
> >  (mailto:tron400@) > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > #500 has had an intermittant hum for  a while now. I thought that maybe 
it 
> > was related to the volume  pedal jack, but I noticed yesterday that the 
> > volume of the hum  changes when I move the track selector. Track C 
doesn't seem 
> > to  have any hum, but Tracks A and B do. Any idea what the cause might 
be?
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>  > 
> > Bernie
> > - 
> > 
> > 
>  > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > john barrick
> > 
>  > 
> > *Leo got it right the first time*
> > *then he  added a second pickup and got it righter*
>  >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Grounding Issue?

2012-02-26 by Mark

Zen and the Art of Mellotron Maintenance eh?

So much for Lent.

Mark

PS Thanks for the kind comments on "And Beyond", there were 5 or 6
layers and it was phased, reverbed filtered and reversed!
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On 2/26/12, lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:
> With Mellotrons, as with Harley Davidsons, start with the simplest
> possibility and work your way up. Most of the problems are resolved at
> 'simple."
> Glad you found and fixed it.
>
> Frank
>
>
> In a message dated 2/25/2012 7:34:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> tron400@yahoo.com writes:
>
>
>
>
> Looks like it was one of the spring hooks that holds the head block in
> place. One of them was not in its hole.
>
> Bernie
>
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:
>>
>> Wouldn't you know, it's  not acting up at the moment. I'll have to leave
> it running for a  while.
>>
>> Jerry put a new cable in when he refurbished it. The  old one had the
> screeching cable rot.
>>
>> BTW, anyone have an  empty frame laying around?
>>
>> Bernie
>>
>> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  lsf5275@ wrote:
>> >
>> > Good call Bruce... I didn't see your  post or I wouldn't have repeated
> the
>> > information.
>> >
>> > Frank
>> >
>> >
>> > In a message  dated 2/25/2012 1:30:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> > pocotron@  writes:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hey Bernie-
>> > The headblock must remain electrically  isolated from the chassis to
>> > avoid this.
>> > Last time  this happened to me I had a missing headblock roller
> (previous
>> >  owner's fault, which I fixed). Therefore, the headblock was rubbing
> the
>> > chassis, which changed the hum when different tracks were  selected. A
> bad
>> > cable can also cause this problem, but it is  usually screechy(not good
> for
>> > tapes). Check the w-clips that  hold down the headblock, their
> centering
>> > washers may be off-set  or worn through, and may be causing the short.
> You may
>> > have to  remove the headblock to fix this one.
>> > The track selector  mechanism can also cause this short. However, if
>> > this is the  machine that Jerry Korb refurbished, he probably already
> fixed
>> >  this.
>> >
>> > Hope this helps, best of luck. More  sugar!
>> >
>> > -Bruce Daily
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>  > From: john barrick <barrickjohn262@>
>> > To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)
>> > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:55 PM
>> > Subject:  Re: [newmellotrongroup] Grounding Issue?
>> >
>> >
>>  >
>> >
>> >
>> > Try putting it in the C  position and then wiggle the cable a bit while
>> > playing a note.  That may reproduce it.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:53  PM, john barrick <_barrickjohn262@_
>> > (mailto:barrickjohn262@)  > wrote:
>> >
>> > Maybe the cable going from the head  block to the preamp?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >  On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:45 PM, tron400 <_tron400@_
>> >  (mailto:tron400@) > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > #500 has had an intermittant hum for  a while now. I thought that maybe
> it
>> > was related to the volume  pedal jack, but I noticed yesterday that the
>> > volume of the hum  changes when I move the track selector. Track C
> doesn't seem
>> > to  have any hum, but Tracks A and B do. Any idea what the cause might
> be?
>>  >
>> > Bernie
>> > -
>> >
>> >
>>  >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > john barrick
>> >
>>  >
>> > *Leo got it right the first time*
>> > *then he  added a second pickup and got it righter*
>>  >
>>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Grounding Issue?

2012-02-26 by william Beith

With all this talk of a grounding issue, I have a low level ground hum in my 
console. Can anyone reccommend a good tech in the Chicago area? I have worked 
past my knowledge and abilities trying to find it.

Thanks

Bill




________________________________
From: "lsf5275@aol.com" <lsf5275@aol.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, February 25, 2012 9:10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Grounding Issue?

  
With Mellotrons, as with Harley Davidsons, start with the simplest possibility 
and work your way up. Most of the problems are resolved at 'simple." Glad you 
found and fixed it.

Frank

In a message dated 2/25/2012 7:34:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
tron400@yahoo.com writes:
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>Looks like it was one of the spring hooks that holds the head block in place. 
>One of them was not in its hole.
>
>Bernie
>
>--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:
>>
>> Wouldn't you know, it's not acting up at the moment. I'll have to leave it 
>>running for a while.
>> 
>> Jerry put a new cable in when he refurbished it. The old one had the screeching 
>>cable rot.
>> 
>> BTW, anyone have an empty frame laying around?
>> 
>> Bernie
>> 
>> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@ wrote:
>> >
>> > Good call Bruce... I didn't see your post or I wouldn't have repeated the 
>> > information.
>> > 
>> > Frank
>> > 
>> > 
>> > In a message dated 2/25/2012 1:30:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
>> > pocotron@ writes:
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Hey Bernie-
>> > The headblock must remain electrically isolated from the chassis to 
>> > avoid this.
>> > Last time this happened to me I had a missing headblock roller (previous 
>> > owner's fault, which I fixed). Therefore, the headblock was rubbing the 
>> > chassis, which changed the hum when different tracks were selected. A bad 
>> > cable can also cause this problem, but it is usually screechy(not good for 
>> > tapes). Check the w-clips that hold down the headblock, their centering 
>> > washers may be off-set or worn through, and may be causing the short. You may 
>>
>> > have to remove the headblock to fix this one.
>> > The track selector mechanism can also cause this short. However, if 
>> > this is the machine that Jerry Korb refurbished, he probably already fixed 
>> > this.
>> > 
>> > Hope this helps, best of luck. More sugar!
>> > 
>> > -Bruce Daily
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > From: john barrick <barrickjohn262@>
>> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
>> > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:55 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Grounding Issue?
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Try putting it in the C position and then wiggle the cable a bit while 
>> > playing a note. That may reproduce it.
>> > 
>> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:53 PM, john barrick <_barrickjohn262@_ 
>> > (mailto:barrickjohn262@) > wrote:
>> > 
>> > Maybe the cable going from the head block to the preamp? 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:45 PM, tron400 <_tron400@_ 
>> > (mailto:tron400@) > wrote:
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > #500 has had an intermittant hum for a while now. I thought that maybe it 
>> > was related to the volume pedal jack, but I noticed yesterday that the 
>> > volume of the hum changes when I move the track selector. Track C doesn't 
>>seem 
>>
>> > to have any hum, but Tracks A and B do. Any idea what the cause might be?
>> > 
>> > Bernie
>> > - 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > john barrick
>> > 
>> > 
>> > *Leo got it right the first time*
>> > *then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
>> >
>>
>
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Grounding Issue?

2012-02-26 by Bruce Daily

Frank-
   You taught us well, Obi-Wan, thank you!   Looks like Bernie found it.
 
  -Bruce D.
 
 

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 From: "lsf5275@aol.com" <lsf5275@aol.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Grounding Issue?
  

 
   
 
 Good call Bruce... I didn't see your post or I wouldn't have repeated the 
information. 

Frank 

In a message dated 2/25/2012 1:30:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
pocotron@yahoo.com writes: 
  
>Hey Bernie- 
>  The headblock must remain electrically isolated from the  chassis to avoid this. 
>  Last time this happened to me I had a missing headblock  roller (previous owner's fault, which I fixed).  Therefore, the headblock  was rubbing the chassis, which changed the hum when different tracks were  selected.  A bad cable can also cause this problem, but it is usually  screechy(not good for tapes).  Check the w-clips that hold down the  headblock, their centering washers may be off-set or worn through, and may be  causing the short.  You may have to remove the headblock to fix this  one. 
>  The track selector mechanism can also cause this  short.  However, if this is the machine that Jerry Korb refurbished, he  probably already fixed this. 
>  
>  Hope this helps, best of luck.  More 
sugar! 
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>  -Bruce Daily 
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>From: john  barrick <barrickjohn262@gmail.com>
>To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Friday, February 24,  2012 1:55 PM
>Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Grounding Issue?
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>Try putting it in the C position and then wiggle the cable a bit while  playing a note.  That may reproduce it.
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>On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:53 PM, john  barrick <barrickjohn262@gmail.com> wrote:
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>Maybe the cable going from the head block to  the preamp? 
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>>On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:45 PM, tron400 <tron400@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>#500 has had an intermittant hum for a while now. I thought that  maybe it was related to the volume pedal jack, but I noticed yesterday  that the volume of the hum changes when I move the track selector. Track C  doesn't seem to have any hum, but Tracks A and B do. Any idea what the  cause might  be?
>>>
>>>Bernie
>>>- john barrick 
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>*Leo got it right the first time* 
>*then he added a second pickup and got it  righter*
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Grounding Issue?

2012-02-26 by lsf5275@aol.com

Actually, you led him to this one.
 
In a message dated 2/26/2012 1:55:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
pocotron@yahoo.com writes:
 
 
 
 
 
Frank-
   You taught us well, Obi-Wan, thank you!   Looks like Bernie found it.
 
  -Bruce D.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From:  "lsf5275@aol.com" <lsf5275@aol.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com  
Sent: Saturday, February 25,  2012 12:04 AM
Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Grounding Issue?



 
 

Good call Bruce... I didn't see your post or I wouldn't have repeated the  
information.
 
Frank
 
 
In a message dated 2/25/2012 1:30:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
pocotron@yahoo.com writes:

 
 
 
Hey Bernie-
  The headblock must remain electrically isolated from the  chassis to 
avoid this.
  Last time this happened to me I had a missing headblock  roller (previous 
owner's fault, which I fixed).  Therefore, the  headblock was rubbing the 
chassis, which changed the hum when different  tracks were selected.  A bad 
cable can also cause this problem, but it  is usually screechy(not good for 
tapes).  Check the w-clips that  hold down the headblock, their centering 
washers may be off-set or worn  through, and may be causing the short.  You may 
have to remove the  headblock to fix this one.
  The track selector mechanism can also cause this  short.  However, if 
this is the machine that Jerry Korb refurbished, he  probably already fixed 
this.
 
  Hope this helps, best of luck.  More  sugar!
 
  -Bruce Daily
 



 
 

From: john barrick  <barrickjohn262@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com  
Sent: Friday, February 24,  2012 1:55 PM
Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Grounding Issue?



 
 
Try putting it in the C position and then wiggle the cable a bit while  
playing a note.  That may reproduce it.

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:53 PM, john  barrick <_barrickjohn262@gmail.com_ 
(mailto:barrickjohn262@gmail.com) >  wrote:

Maybe the cable going from the head block  to the preamp?  
 


On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:45 PM,  tron400 <_tron400@yahoo.com_ 
(mailto:tron400@yahoo.com) >  wrote:


 
 
 
#500 has had an intermittant hum for a while now. I thought that  maybe it 
was related to the volume pedal jack, but I noticed yesterday  that the 
volume of the hum changes when I move the track selector. Track  C doesn't seem 
to have any hum, but Tracks A and B do. Any idea what the  cause might  be?

Bernie
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john barrick


*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it  righter*

Re: Grounding Issue?

2012-02-26 by tron400

What would we Mellotronists do without all the expertise on this list? Thanks folks!

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
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> Actually, you led him to this one.
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> In a message dated 2/26/2012 1:55:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> pocotron@... writes:
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> Frank-
>    You taught us well, Obi-Wan, thank you!   Looks like Bernie found it.
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>   -Bruce D.
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> From:  "lsf5275@..." <lsf5275@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com  
> Sent: Saturday, February 25,  2012 12:04 AM
> Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Grounding Issue?
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>  
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> Good call Bruce... I didn't see your post or I wouldn't have repeated the  
> information.
>  
> Frank
>  
>  
> In a message dated 2/25/2012 1:30:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> pocotron@... writes:
> 
>  
>  
>  
> Hey Bernie-
>   The headblock must remain electrically isolated from the  chassis to 
> avoid this.
>   Last time this happened to me I had a missing headblock  roller (previous 
> owner's fault, which I fixed).  Therefore, the  headblock was rubbing the 
> chassis, which changed the hum when different  tracks were selected.  A bad 
> cable can also cause this problem, but it  is usually screechy(not good for 
> tapes).  Check the w-clips that  hold down the headblock, their centering 
> washers may be off-set or worn  through, and may be causing the short.  You may 
> have to remove the  headblock to fix this one.
>   The track selector mechanism can also cause this  short.  However, if 
> this is the machine that Jerry Korb refurbished, he  probably already fixed 
> this.
>  
>   Hope this helps, best of luck.  More  sugar!
>  
>   -Bruce Daily
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> From: john barrick  <barrickjohn262@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com  
> Sent: Friday, February 24,  2012 1:55 PM
> Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Grounding Issue?
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> Try putting it in the C position and then wiggle the cable a bit while  
> playing a note.  That may reproduce it.
> 
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:53 PM, john  barrick <_barrickjohn262@..._ 
> (mailto:barrickjohn262@...) >  wrote:
> 
> Maybe the cable going from the head block  to the preamp?  
>  
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:45 PM,  tron400 <_tron400@..._ 
> (mailto:tron400@...) >  wrote:
> 
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>  
>  
>  
> #500 has had an intermittant hum for a while now. I thought that  maybe it 
> was related to the volume pedal jack, but I noticed yesterday  that the 
> volume of the hum changes when I move the track selector. Track  C doesn't seem 
> to have any hum, but Tracks A and B do. Any idea what the  cause might  be?
> 
> Bernie
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> john barrick
> 
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> *Leo got it right the first time*
> *then he added a second pickup and got it  righter*
>

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