in fact, all i was saying is that even the best vsti emulations (eg. MS-20) really do not equal the originals, although they come pretty close in some cases. and yes, i own one and have even played it :) side by side with the vsti. my point was simply that matrix-1000 is really quite a bit more in software than an average poly, as stated in "poly analogue all have a degree of digital control in them". as peter says, there's a difference, and peter knows his 'shit' inside out. it's a difference between just scanning a keyboard and storing patches, and building all of the control path in software. it does not matter whether the softare runs under windows/linux or in a microcontroller, although the latter one sure looks a lot more 'analog' :)
so the question is: can one really faithfully emulate the 3396 chip? and is it worth it?
regards,
regards,
margus
(*) before anyone asks, matrix-1400 is a matrix-1000 with 1400 patches instead of 1000.
(*) before anyone asks, matrix-1400 is a matrix-1000 with 1400 patches instead of 1000.
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Andrea Toni <atoni@...> wrote:
Hello,
Sure u can make anything u want in software
and some of the new VST sounds better and better
but have u ever actually try a real ms20 ?
or to sweep/open/close the pots in any real mono analogue ?
it is just another galaxy !
The poly analogue all have a degree of digital control
in them : sometimes the LFOs are digital the ENVS or the DCO are digital
but often just the analogue filter alone gives that special sound
that u just cant get with VSTs
Not to mention how bad Aliasing and Pitch shifting tones across the Kbd
are in the digital domain !
Andrea
>>>
Hmm... Ironically, you *can* 'make MS-20 into software', as Korg showed,
and they did it pretty decently, still considered one of the rare excellent
vintage emulations in VSTi. They even added hardware controller to
compensate the real knobs. Nevertheless, judged by eBay prices the 'soft9;
MS-20 does not even play in the same ballpark as the 'real' one. Go
figure...
Second, and again, ironically, most of the M-1000 *IS* in software already.
All of the items in 'digital' category and part of the 'analog' ones as
well are actually waveforms, curves and algorithms in firmware that were
once created by Marcus Ryle for Xpander, then converted to Matrix-6 and
then converted to M-1000 (adding a lot of bugs, a sloppy MIDI
implementation and nothing new in sound section). So it's about emulating
the 3396 chip. The rest (envelopes, ramps, LFOs and modulations etc.) is in
software already and it's just about porting it to another format. Doable?
Regards,
Margus