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odd/even midi note filtering

2010-04-17 by Paul Cunningham

Yeah... I hadn't thought about voicing them this way, but that would be interesting. You could also consistently just number the voices from low to high and do odd-even that way to ensure a balanced spread.

So, none of the commercial midi processors I've had could do any of this, but programmatically it would be very simple to implement.

I've been making various projects based on this:


It's absolutely perfect for MIDI filtering/processing and lately I've been using it to synchronize MIDI clock between my Waldorfs and a modular synthesizer rig. The kit only cost me about $55 and I had to build it, but it has been great fun learning all about the Arduino platform and coming up with new ideas for it.

I realize you may just be musing for the sake of our discussion, but I might be convinced to write the Arduino sketch for doing the odd/even processing if anyone is interested. -pc

p.s. search youtube for "Miduino Master Clock" to see what i've been up to...


On Apr 16, 2010, at 2:36 PM, LarryS wrote:


Stereo is cool, yes.

But the only thing I *wish* I could come up with is an even/odd note assignment.

Yamaha did this on the TX802 (and maybe a couple other modules). You could assign the module to respond to all the even number notes or odd numbered notes. This is a fabulous function.

Unless you play in a lot of diminished or whole tone scales, anyway ;-)

It interleaves the notes very nicely. It’s the ONLY reason I keep a couple of Yam modules around and I so wish I could do it with the Oberheims.

Kurzweil does this, too, by any divisor by assigning multiple modules (1of3, 2of3, 3of3, for instance).

Number tricks.

Anyway, the effect is incredible in my books. Like to do it with my M1000s.

L.


Re: odd/even midi note filtering

2010-04-18 by Jeremy Campbell

Have you looked into the oberheim systemizer? I just got one and  
haven't had a chance to plug it in yet, but it seems like it does a  
lot of this type of thing.

Jeremy

Re: [oberheim] Re: odd/even midi note filtering

2010-04-19 by Paul Cunningham

no, but i've wanted one for a long time. never won an auction for one  
though. do you have a pdf link to the user manual?

at this point, i'm pretty much making exactly the stuff I need with  
the miduino and that makes me very happy. :) -pc
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On Apr 18, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Jeremy Campbell wrote:

> Have you looked into the oberheim systemizer? I just got one and
> haven't had a chance to plug it in yet, but it seems like it does a
> lot of this type of thing.
>
> Jeremy

RE: [oberheim] odd/even midi note filtering

2010-04-19 by Nicole Massey

Why just leave it at odd/even? There are several other modes you could do
pretty easily, like 1/3, 1/4, and 2/4 for doubling two synths to get
compound tonalities. This would be required, for instance, to simulate the
MiniiMOOG/S.E.M sound from the old MIDIBass box.
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Subject: [oberheim] odd/even midi note filtering

  

	Yeah... I hadn't thought about voicing them this way, but that would
be interesting. You could also consistently just number the voices from low
to high and do odd-even that way to ensure a balanced spread.

	So, none of the commercial midi processors I've had could do any of
this, but programmatically it would be very simple to implement.

	I've been making various projects based on this:

	http://tomscarff.110mb.com/miduino/miduino.htm
<http://tomscarff.110mb.com/miduino/miduino.htm> 

	It's absolutely perfect for MIDI filtering/processing and lately
I've been using it to synchronize MIDI clock between my Waldorfs and a
modular synthesizer rig. The kit only cost me about $55 and I had to build
it, but it has been great fun learning all about the Arduino platform and
coming up with new ideas for it.

	I realize you may just be musing for the sake of our discussion, but
I might be convinced to write the Arduino sketch for doing the odd/even
processing if anyone is interested. -pc

	p.s. search youtube for "Miduino Master Clock" to see what i've been
up to...


	On Apr 16, 2010, at 2:36 PM, LarryS wrote:



		Stereo is cool, yes. 

		 

		But the only thing I *wish* I could come up with is an
even/odd note assignment.

		 

		Yamaha did this on the TX802 (and maybe a couple other
modules).   You could assign the  module to respond to all the even number
notes or odd numbered notes.  This is a fabulous function.

		 

		Unless you play in a lot of diminished or whole tone scales,
anyway ;-)

		 

		It interleaves the notes very nicely.  It's the ONLY reason
I keep a couple of Yam modules around and I so wish I could do it with the
Oberheims.

		 

		Kurzweil does this, too, by any divisor by assigning
multiple modules (1of3, 2of3, 3of3, for instance).

		 

		Number tricks.

		 

		Anyway, the effect is incredible in my books.  Like to do it
with my M1000s.

		 

		L.

Re: [oberheim] odd/even midi note filtering

2010-04-20 by Paul Cunningham

...or I could just pull out my old MIDIBass box. ;-) -pc

On Apr 19, 2010, at 7:50 PM, Nicole Massey wrote:

This would be required, for instance, to simulate the
MiniiMOOG/S.E.M sound from the old MIDIBass box.

Re: odd/even midi note filtering

2010-04-20 by Jeremy Campbell

I only have a hard copy. I took a peek at it though and I don't think  
it does it (someone please correct me if they know better - I didn't  
read it thoroughly). So would you be hard panning 2 1000s on the same  
patch to get a back-and-forth stereo effect, is that what you are  
after? It does allow you to alternate notes as you play them between x  
number of target instruments. Maybe that would be close enough to what  
you want?

Yeah, I got lucky when I was googling it a few weeks ago. Some guy had  
one on craigslist in Kansas City and he shipped it to me. It came with  
the drummer eprom as well so 2-for-1 at $70 I had to do it. Been a big  
fan of the Cyclone for a while.
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> no, but i've wanted one for a long time. never won an auction for one
> though. do you have a pdf link to the user manual?
>
> at this point, i'm pretty much making exactly the stuff I need with
> the miduino and that makes me very happy. :) -pc

RE: [oberheim] odd/even midi note filtering

2010-04-20 by Nicole Massey

If you ever happen to do that, I could really use a sample of that sound.
All I'd need is a wav file of the sound played up the chromatic scale from
the lowest it'll play to the highest, about two seconds per note, with a one
second pause. Since I sold mine  a very long time ago I have to live with
samples of the sound now.
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From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Paul Cunningham
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 3:15 AM
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [oberheim] odd/even midi note filtering

  

...or I could just pull out my old MIDIBass box. ;-) -pc

On Apr 19, 2010, at 7:50 PM, Nicole Massey wrote:


	This would be required, for instance, to simulate the
	MiniiMOOG/S.E.M sound from the old MIDIBass box.

RE: [oberheim] Re: odd/even midi note filtering

2010-04-20 by Nicole Massey

The systemizer can also assign module output based on note position, so the
top note played goes to one source while the next one to another etc. This
is great for creating horn sections, but also could make for some
interesting things in other contexts.

Y'all are making me miss my systemizer. I just wish they'd made one that
could systemize multiple MIDI out ports. (I am up to 6 so far and will fill
all 8 before long) 

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From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of LarryS
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:22 AM
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [oberheim] Re: odd/even midi note filtering

  

I suppose "alternating" or "next one" assignment would be much the same
thing as even/odd in all practicality.

The beauty of this kind of interleaving is both the mutli-tonality idea and
the overall richness. Because instead of using some kind of detuned patch or
modulation to richen a sound, a perfectly static sound can be used
(increasing the defenition) coupled with a more modulated secondary sound
for the other module (the even notes, letssay). 

In a chord, the static patch lends a stoic defintion to the sound but
there's still some motion present from the other module.

In some ways, "next one" assigment might even be better. Because, with
even/odd, each note has a predetermined destination. Middle C (note 60?) is
always an even number, and will always play on that same module. Depending
on key and style, this might be perfect, but just for mixing things up, it
might not.

With "next one" altnernating assignment, this now becomes a random function
which is entirely more organic, if that's what you're looking for.

Certainly worth experimenting :-)

Larry
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> From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com>  
> [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com> ] 
> On Behalf Of Jeremy Campbell
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:37 AM
> To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [oberheim] Re: odd/even midi note filtering
> 
> I only have a hard copy. I took a peek at it though and I don't think 
> it does it (someone please correct me if they know better - I didn't 
> read it thoroughly). So would you be hard panning 2 1000s on the same 
> patch to get a back-and-forth stereo effect, is that what you are 
> after? It does allow you to alternate notes as you play them between x 
> number of target instruments. Maybe that would be close enough to what 
> you want?
>

RE: [oberheim] Re: odd/even midi note filtering

2010-04-20 by LarryS

I suppose "alternating" or "next one" assignment would be much the same
thing as even/odd in all practicality.

The beauty of this kind of interleaving is both the mutli-tonality idea and
the overall richness.  Because instead of using some kind of detuned patch
or modulation to richen a sound, a perfectly static sound can be used
(increasing the defenition) coupled with a more modulated secondary sound
for the other module (the even notes, letssay).  

In a chord, the static patch lends a stoic defintion to the sound but
there's still some motion present from the other module.

In some ways, "next one" assigment might even be better.  Because, with
even/odd, each note has a predetermined destination.  Middle C (note 60?) is
always an even number, and will always play on that same module.  Depending
on key and style, this might be perfect, but just for mixing things up, it
might not.

With "next one" altnernating assignment, this now becomes a random function
which is entirely more organic, if that's what you're looking for.

Certainly worth experimenting :-)

Larry
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Jeremy Campbell
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:37 AM
> To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [oberheim] Re: odd/even midi note filtering
> 
> I only have a hard copy. I took a peek at it though and I don't think
> it does it (someone please correct me if they know better - I didn't
> read it thoroughly). So would you be hard panning 2 1000s on the same
> patch to get a back-and-forth stereo effect, is that what you are
> after? It does allow you to alternate notes as you play them between x
> number of target instruments. Maybe that would be close enough to what
> you want?
>

Re: [oberheim] Re: odd/even midi note filtering

2010-04-20 by Paul Cunningham

i'm mostly just curious because i've never had one and wanted to know about its exceptional abilities above something like the peavey midi manager, which i do have (though never use).

the built-in oberheim overspill mode pretty much does alternating voices, and will alternate between up to 6 modules. i've been putting the first one center, and slightly panning the remaining two right and left. hard panning is also a great effect when you are playing two at a time in stereo -- the non-synched lfos can make for some dramatic chorus effects.

oberheim was way ahead of its time as far as midi goes. maybe i'll luck out one of these day and get any of their midi processors. the drummer looked pretty cool as well. -pc
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On Apr 20, 2010, at 8:37 AM, Jeremy Campbell wrote:

> I only have a hard copy. I took a peek at it though and I don't think 
> it does it (someone please correct me if they know better - I didn't 
> read it thoroughly). So would you be hard panning 2 1000s on the same 
> patch to get a back-and-forth stereo effect, is that what you are 
> after? It does allow you to alternate notes as you play them between x 
> number of target instruments. Maybe that would be close enough to what 
> you want?
> 
> Yeah, I got lucky when I was googling it a few weeks ago. Some guy had 
> one on craigslist in Kansas City and he shipped it to me. It came with 
> the drummer eprom as well so 2-for-1 at $70 I had to do it. Been a big 
> fan of the Cyclone for a while.
> 
> > no, but i've wanted one for a long time. never won an auction for one
> > though. do you have a pdf link to the user manual?
> >
> > at this point, i'm pretty much making exactly the stuff I need with
> > the miduino and that makes me very happy. :) -pc
>

Re: [oberheim] odd/even midi note filtering

2010-04-20 by Paul Cunningham

lol... i had it out about a week ago, so at least i know it still works. barely. the fuse hardly stays in.

the moog sound is about the only good sound it makes, but a real moog sounds better... ;-)

yeah i'll see about sampling that for you sometime... ping me again if i forget -pc
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On Apr 20, 2010, at 8:47 AM, Nicole Massey wrote:

> If you ever happen to do that, I could really use a sample of that sound.
> All I'd need is a wav file of the sound played up the chromatic scale from
> the lowest it'll play to the highest, about two seconds per note, with a one
> second pause. Since I sold mine a very long time ago I have to live with
> samples of the sound now. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Paul Cunningham
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 3:15 AM
> To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [oberheim] odd/even midi note filtering
> 
> ...or I could just pull out my old MIDIBass box. ;-) -pc
> 
> On Apr 19, 2010, at 7:50 PM, Nicole Massey wrote:
> 
> This would be required, for instance, to simulate the
> MiniiMOOG/S.E.M sound from the old MIDIBass box.
>

RE: [oberheim] odd/even midi note filtering

2010-04-20 by Nicole Massey

Will do. I actually found the DX7 sounds and the Tympani to be nice, and the
Rhodes Bass would be great if I didn't have an absolutely amazing Rhodes
sound in my K1000 SE and Pro 1's.
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From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Paul Cunningham
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:27 AM
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [oberheim] odd/even midi note filtering

  

lol... i had it out about a week ago, so at least i know it still works.
barely. the fuse hardly stays in.

the moog sound is about the only good sound it makes, but a real moog sounds
better... ;-)

yeah i'll see about sampling that for you sometime... ping me again if i
forget -pc


On Apr 20, 2010, at 8:47 AM, Nicole Massey wrote:


	  

	If you ever happen to do that, I could really use a sample of that
sound.
	All I'd need is a wav file of the sound played up the chromatic
scale from
	the lowest it'll play to the highest, about two seconds per note,
with a one
	second pause. Since I sold mine a very long time ago I have to live
with
	samples of the sound now. 
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
	Of Paul Cunningham
	Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 3:15 AM
	To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com <mailto:oberheim%40yahoogroups.com> 
	Subject: Re: [oberheim] odd/even midi note filtering
	
	...or I could just pull out my old MIDIBass box. ;-) -pc
	
	On Apr 19, 2010, at 7:50 PM, Nicole Massey wrote:
	
	This would be required, for instance, to simulate the
	MiniiMOOG/S.E.M sound from the old MIDIBass box.

RE: [oberheim] Re: odd/even midi note filtering

2010-04-20 by Nicole Massey

The Strummer was also very cool.

The Systemizer was basically the processing engine from the XK keyboard
controller, with a few additional nifty things like some cool patch chaining
and an alternate patch mode. It was quite cool, and I used to have two --
sold one and the other one got stolen.
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From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Paul Cunningham
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:23 AM
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [oberheim] Re: odd/even midi note filtering

  

i'm mostly just curious because i've never had one and wanted to know about
its exceptional abilities above something like the peavey midi manager,
which i do have (though never use).

the built-in oberheim overspill mode pretty much does alternating voices,
and will alternate between up to 6 modules. i've been putting the first one
center, and slightly panning the remaining two right and left. hard panning
is also a great effect when you are playing two at a time in stereo -- the
non-synched lfos can make for some dramatic chorus effects.

oberheim was way ahead of its time as far as midi goes. maybe i'll luck out
one of these day and get any of their midi processors. the drummer looked
pretty cool as well. -pc

On Apr 20, 2010, at 8:37 AM, Jeremy Campbell wrote:


	  

	I only have a hard copy. I took a peek at it though and I don't
think 
	it does it (someone please correct me if they know better - I didn't

	read it thoroughly). So would you be hard panning 2 1000s on the
same 
	patch to get a back-and-forth stereo effect, is that what you are 
	after? It does allow you to alternate notes as you play them between
x 
	number of target instruments. Maybe that would be close enough to
what 
	you want?
	
	Yeah, I got lucky when I was googling it a few weeks ago. Some guy
had 
	one on craigslist in Kansas City and he shipped it to me. It came
with 
	the drummer eprom as well so 2-for-1 at $70 I had to do it. Been a
big 
	fan of the Cyclone for a while.
	
	> no, but i've wanted one for a long time. never won an auction for
one
	> though. do you have a pdf link to the user manual?
	>
	> at this point, i'm pretty much making exactly the stuff I need
with
	> the miduino and that makes me very happy. :) -pc

Re: [oberheim] Re: odd/even midi note filtering

2010-04-21 by Paul Cunningham

Really? Well, I've got the Xk, so I suppose I'm not missing much? I figured the Systemizer did more.

The Xk has an interesting VOICE LIMIT parameter, but doesn't appear to do too much else besides splits and layers aside from the usual controller assignments. It's also got some kind of CHORD mode that I have forgotten how to use.

Anyone have a PDF of the Xk owner's manual? I've managed to figure just about everything else out, but perhaps my CHORD button is just broken.

The Xk arpeggiator has an external clock input, which I have been able to sync to the Miduino.

Anyone else use an Xk? -pc
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On Apr 20, 2010, at 3:12 PM, Nicole Massey wrote:

> The Systemizer was basically the processing engine from the XK keyboard
> controller, with a few additional nifty things like some cool patch chaining
> and an alternate patch mode. It was quite cool, and I used to have two --
> sold one and the other one got stolen.

RE: [oberheim] Re: odd/even midi note filtering

2010-04-21 by Nicole Massey

Oh, it's got more capabilities, but it's based on the XK architecture.
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-----Original Message-----
From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Paul Cunningham
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:13 PM
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [oberheim] Re: odd/even midi note filtering

  

Really? Well, I've got the Xk, so I suppose I'm not missing much? I figured
the Systemizer did more.

The Xk has an interesting VOICE LIMIT parameter, but doesn't appear to do
too much else besides splits and layers aside from the usual controller
assignments. It's also got some kind of CHORD mode that I have forgotten how
to use.

Anyone have a PDF of the Xk owner's manual? I've managed to figure just
about everything else out, but perhaps my CHORD button is just broken.

The Xk arpeggiator has an external clock input, which I have been able to
sync to the Miduino.

Anyone else use an Xk? -pc

On Apr 20, 2010, at 3:12 PM, Nicole Massey wrote:


	The Systemizer was basically the processing engine from the XK
keyboard
	controller, with a few additional nifty things like some cool patch
chaining
	and an alternate patch mode. It was quite cool, and I used to have
two --
	sold one and the other one got stolen.

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