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Help me with a Matrix 100 vs. 6R decision...

Help me with a Matrix 100 vs. 6R decision...

2010-04-14 by bob_at_work_2000

Hi group.  I recently purchased an Oberheim 1000 and a 6R, listened to both and like what I hear, but think I only have room for one of these babies....decisions, decisions.  Here is what I am weighing....1000 presets, editable via software in mono before external effects or 100 presets, editable via front panel or software, in possibly stereo or layered, but limited to 4/2 or 3/3? voice division.  Sonically, the units seem the same although I have not tried an apples with apples voice comparison....so what are your thoughts on which I should keep?

Bob
El Segundo, CA

Re: [oberheim] Help me with a Matrix 100 vs. 6R decision...

2010-04-14 by ogusa@lava.net

Gee the M1000 is only one rack space.

That said, if you can spare the rack space keep the 6R.  
Bi-timbral/separate outs/front panel editing  is definitely better.

I have a M1000 because I can't spare the extra rack spaces.

Only 2 banks of the M1000 are editable, the rest are ROM, though I  
just use sysex to tweak the ROM sounds as I go.

Stublito


Quoting bob_at_work_2000 <tttsystems@...>:
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> Hi group.  I recently purchased an Oberheim 1000 and a 6R, listened   
> to both and like what I hear, but think I only have room for one of   
> these babies....decisions, decisions.  Here is what I am   
> weighing....1000 presets, editable via software in mono before   
> external effects or 100 presets, editable via front panel or   
> software, in possibly stereo or layered, but limited to 4/2 or 3/3?   
> voice division.  Sonically, the units seem the same although I have   
> not tried an apples with apples voice comparison....so what are your  
>  thoughts on which I should keep?
>
> Bob
> El Segundo, CA
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Re: [oberheim] Help me with a Matrix 100 vs. 6R decision...

2010-04-14 by Alen Rusko

Definitely 6R!! 
You can get all Mx1000 programs on the internet, and you can load them via Midi.
Also you can do split/layer with 6R!!!!
Only thing that it has 127 RAM  program places less than Mx1000.(only drawback).
Anyway, I'll go with 6R...

Alen

--- On Wed, 4/14/10, ogusa@... <ogusa@...> wrote:

From: ogusa@... <ogusa@...>
Subject: Re: [oberheim] Help me with a Matrix 100 vs. 6R decision...
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 5:49 AM







 



  


    
      
      
      Gee the M1000 is only one rack space.



That said, if you can spare the rack space keep the 6R.  

Bi-timbral/separate outs/front panel editing  is definitely better.



I have a M1000 because I can't spare the extra rack spaces.



Only 2 banks of the M1000 are editable, the rest are ROM, though I  

just use sysex to tweak the ROM sounds as I go.



Stublito



Quoting bob_at_work_ 2000 <tttsystems@earthlin k.net>:
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> Hi group.  I recently purchased an Oberheim 1000 and a 6R, listened   

> to both and like what I hear, but think I only have room for one of   

> these babies....decisions , decisions.  Here is what I am   

> weighing.... 1000 presets, editable via software in mono before   

> external effects or 100 presets, editable via front panel or   

> software, in possibly stereo or layered, but limited to 4/2 or 3/3?   

> voice division.  Sonically, the units seem the same although I have   

> not tried an apples with apples voice comparison.. ..so what are your  

>  thoughts on which I should keep?

>

> Bob

> El Segundo, CA

>

>

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

>

Re: [oberheim] Help me with a Matrix 100 vs. 6R decision...

2010-04-14 by derrick simpson

I have two M6r's in my rig and wouldn't trade em for anything...I like
the sound, the biuld and the easy programming.

Derrick
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On 4/13/10, bob_at_work_2000 <tttsystems@...> wrote:
> Hi group.  I recently purchased an Oberheim 1000 and a 6R, listened to both
> and like what I hear, but think I only have room for one of these
> babies....decisions, decisions.  Here is what I am weighing....1000 presets,
> editable via software in mono before external effects or 100 presets,
> editable via front panel or software, in possibly stereo or layered, but
> limited to 4/2 or 3/3? voice division.  Sonically, the units seem the same
> although I have not tried an apples with apples voice comparison....so what
> are your thoughts on which I should keep?
>
> Bob
> El Segundo, CA
>
>

RE: [oberheim] Help me with a Matrix 100 vs. 6R decision...

2010-04-14 by LarryS

I completely and totally disagree.  (hey, that’s what these lists are for, right?)

 

I had the 6R and now have two M1000s.  I wil never own another 6R.

 

Here’s a box that’s MADE to be played only one way: through MIDI.  Yet, the 6R has no midi volume.  Yes, you can assign VCA2 to volume, but that ties up a mod channel.

 

And once you go software (I use Opcode Galaxy – very cool Matrix 6 editing) it doesn’t matter which box you use because it’s all done through the computer screen.

 

OK, so I paid $1100 brand new for my 6R back in the day – and back then, having a few features was OK, but today??  6 voices is not even a serious axe any  more, let alone worth splitting or layering.

 

As they’re virtually identical in sound (though some might argue the point) it comes down to how you want to integrate into your system.  If you want to PLAY the thing to grab a handful of old skool analog, then the M1000 is the way to go:  quick and easy.  If you wanna TWEAK the thing and go into places that most people do not, then a strong argument for the 6R could be made, if you didn’t have a computer (which you obviously do, or you wouldn’t be sending email ;-)

 

So as such, I can hardly think of a reason to won the 6R... except the cool looking front panel :-)

 

 

 

From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alen Rusko
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:44 AM
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [oberheim] Help me with a Matrix 100 vs. 6R decision...

 






Definitely 6R!! 
You can get all Mx1000 programs on the internet, and you can load them via Midi.
Also you can do split/layer with 6R!!!!
Only thing that it has 127 RAM  program places less than Mx1000.(only drawback).
Anyway, I'll go with 6R...

Alen

--- On Wed, 4/14/10, ogusa@... <ogusa@...> wrote:


From: ogusa@... <ogusa@lava.net>
Subject: Re: [oberheim] Help me with a Matrix 100 vs. 6R decision...
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 5:49 AM

  

Gee the M1000 is only one rack space.

That said, if you can spare the rack space keep the 6R. 
Bi-timbral/separate outs/front panel editing is definitely better.

I have a M1000 because I can't spare the extra rack spaces.

Only 2 banks of the M1000 are editable, the rest are ROM, though I 
just use sysex to tweak the ROM sounds as I go.

Stublito

Quoting bob_at_work_ 2000 <tttsystems@earthlin k.net>:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Hi group. I recently purchased an Oberheim 1000 and a 6R, listened 
> to both and like what I hear, but think I only have room for one of 
> these babies....decisions , decisions. Here is what I am 
> weighing.... 1000 presets, editable via software in mono before 
> external effects or 100 presets, editable via front panel or 
> software, in possibly stereo or layered, but limited to 4/2 or 3/3? 
> voice division. Sonically, the units seem the same although I have 
> not tried an apples with apples voice comparison.. ..so what are your 
> thoughts on which I should keep?
>
> Bob
> El Segundo, CA
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Re: [oberheim] Help me with a Matrix 100 vs. 6R decision...

2010-04-14 by Paul Cunningham

I have three Matrix-1000s. I have nothing against the 6r, and if you are really into programming it from the front panel, I might recommend that instead. However...

The only thing better than one Matrix-1000 is two. In stereo. Playing the same patch.

Sure you can split the 6r, but then you're left with only a few voices. Preset number 118 in stereo is twice as awesome as the same thing in mono. Plus you can easily extend the polyphony to 12 voices (or 18 like me) when you need more of a good thing. Patches with a long release sound truly awesome and you don't have to worry about voice stealing.

Sonically, I believe the primary difference is in how the oscillators are auto-tuned. But frankly, with matrix modulation you can duplicate any kinds of tuning irregularities you want that are more interesting and/or extreme with regard to random pitch variations.

If you are into MIDI guitar (like me), the Matrix-1000 is a perfect match with it's 6-voice mono mode.

I have really enjoyed the versatility of the Matrix-1000 and appreciate that I can fit three of them in the same space as a 6r. All three are right in front of me mounted in my studio desk next to a Waldorf XT. They make a great set of complimentary sounds altogether. -pc

p.s. Need more convincing? Listen to this:

http://www.rhythmelectric.com/20060627/20060510-Atlantis.mp3
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On Apr 13, 2010, at 11:32 PM, bob_at_work_2000 wrote:

> Hi group. I recently purchased an Oberheim 1000 and a 6R, listened to both and like what I hear, but think I only have room for one of these babies....decisions, decisions. Here is what I am weighing....1000 presets, editable via software in mono before external effects or 100 presets, editable via front panel or software, in possibly stereo or layered, but limited to 4/2 or 3/3? voice division. Sonically, the units seem the same although I have not tried an apples with apples voice comparison....so what are your thoughts on which I should keep?
> 
> Bob
> El Segundo, CA
>

RE: [oberheim] Help me with a Matrix 100 vs. 6R decision...

2010-04-14 by Ian Bradshaw

putting out a question like this this isn't going to help you as we all have
our own preferences, mine being the M100.... If you can afford to keep both
I would put one into storage, that way you win all ways.
 
Ian

-----Original Message-----
From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alen Rusko
Sent: 14 April 2010 08:44
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [oberheim] Help me with a Matrix 100 vs. 6R decision...


  



Definitely 6R!! 
You can get all Mx1000 programs on the internet, and you can load them via
Midi.
Also you can do split/layer with 6R!!!!
Only thing that it has 127 RAM  program places less than Mx1000.(only
drawback).
Anyway, I'll go with 6R...

Alen

--- On Wed, 4/14/10, ogusa@... <ogusa@...> wrote:




From: ogusa@... <ogusa@...>
Subject: Re: [oberheim] Help me with a Matrix 100 vs. 6R decision...
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 5:49 AM


  

Gee the M1000 is only one rack space.

That said, if you can spare the rack space keep the 6R. 
Bi-timbral/separate outs/front panel editing is definitely better.

I have a M1000 because I can't spare the extra rack spaces.

Only 2 banks of the M1000 are editable, the rest are ROM, though I 
just use sysex to tweak the ROM sounds as I go.

Stublito

Quoting bob_at_work_ 2000 <tttsystems@earthlin k.net>:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Hi group. I recently purchased an Oberheim 1000 and a 6R, listened 
> to both and like what I hear, but think I only have room for one of 
> these babies....decisions , decisions. Here is what I am 
> weighing.... 1000 presets, editable via software in mono before 
> external effects or 100 presets, editable via front panel or 
> software, in possibly stereo or layered, but limited to 4/2 or 3/3? 
> voice division. Sonically, the units seem the same although I have 
> not tried an apples with apples voice comparison.. ..so what are your 
> thoughts on which I should keep?
>
> Bob
> El Segundo, CA
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Re: [oberheim] Help me with a Matrix 100 vs. 6R decision...

2010-04-14 by Paul Cunningham

it's a great question! and what better place to post it? ;-)

and despite my own opinons, i love to hear about what other people think. -pc
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On Apr 14, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Ian Bradshaw wrote:
> putting out a question like this this isn't going to help you as we all have our own preferences, mine being the M100.... If you can afford to keep both I would put one into storage, that way you win all ways.
>  
> Ian

Re: [oberheim] Help me with a Matrix 100 vs. 6R decision...

2010-04-14 by derrick simpson

I agree with Paul...I use two m6rs along with my Studio Electronics
SE1 in a rack with Ground control as the sound sources for my wearable
keyboard. I use the M6r's as identical sounds in stereo and also as
one 6 osc machine when needed...I also like the programability....the
sounds are a great compliment to the SE1.

Midi volume continues to be a problem for me   can't get it to
work..but other than that I love the sound of the M6r's.

Derrick
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On 4/14/10, Paul Cunningham <paul@...> wrote:
> I have three Matrix-1000s. I have nothing against the 6r, and if you are
> really into programming it from the front panel, I might recommend that
> instead. However...
>
> The only thing better than one Matrix-1000 is two. In stereo. Playing the
> same patch.
>
> Sure you can split the 6r, but then you're left with only a few voices.
> Preset number 118 in stereo is twice as awesome as the same thing in mono.
> Plus you can easily extend the polyphony to 12 voices (or 18 like me) when
> you need more of a good thing. Patches with a long release sound truly
> awesome and you don't have to worry about voice stealing.
>
> Sonically, I believe the primary difference is in how the oscillators are
> auto-tuned. But frankly, with matrix modulation you can duplicate any kinds
> of tuning irregularities you want that are more interesting and/or extreme
> with regard to random pitch variations.
>
> If you are into MIDI guitar (like me), the Matrix-1000 is a perfect match
> with it's 6-voice mono mode.
>
> I have really enjoyed the versatility of the Matrix-1000 and appreciate that
> I can fit three of them in the same space as a 6r. All three are right in
> front of me mounted in my studio desk next to a Waldorf XT. They make a
> great set of complimentary sounds altogether. -pc
>
> p.s. Need more convincing? Listen to this:
>
> http://www.rhythmelectric.com/20060627/20060510-Atlantis.mp3
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 13, 2010, at 11:32 PM, bob_at_work_2000 wrote:
>
>> Hi group. I recently purchased an Oberheim 1000 and a 6R, listened to both
>> and like what I hear, but think I only have room for one of these
>> babies....decisions, decisions. Here is what I am weighing....1000
>> presets, editable via software in mono before external effects or 100
>> presets, editable via front panel or software, in possibly stereo or
>> layered, but limited to 4/2 or 3/3? voice division. Sonically, the units
>> seem the same although I have not tried an apples with apples voice
>> comparison....so what are your thoughts on which I should keep?
>>
>> Bob
>> El Segundo, CA
>>
>
>

RE: [oberheim] Help me with a Matrix 100 vs. 6R decision...

2010-04-15 by LarryS

On the Matrix 6R midi volume does not work, but only can be made to work by
explicity assigning it to a VCA.
Not exactly convenient.

"wearable keyboard", huh?  LOL!  That was precisely what I got my first 6R
for!  Fabulous.  I always wondered who else ever did that.

Luckily, I've gone to M1000 (2 of them) since then.  And, alas, I'm really
too old and ugly to do much dancing with a keyboard any more.

Roland Axis and Yamaha KX-1

Still got 'em :-)

Larry
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of derrick simpson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 4:25 PM
> To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [oberheim] Help me with a Matrix 100 vs. 6R decision...
> 
> I agree with Paul...I use two m6rs along with my Studio Electronics
> SE1 in a rack with Ground control as the sound sources for my wearable
> keyboard. I use the M6r's as identical sounds in stereo and also as
> one 6 osc machine when needed...I also like the programability....the
> sounds are a great compliment to the SE1.
> 
> Midi volume continues to be a problem for me   can't get it to
> work..but other than that I love the sound of the M6r's.
> 
> Derrick
> 
> On 4/14/10, Paul Cunningham <paul@...> wrote:
> > I have three Matrix-1000s. I have nothing against the 6r, and if you
> are
> > really into programming it from the front panel, I might recommend
> that
> > instead. However...
> >
> > The only thing better than one Matrix-1000 is two. In stereo. Playing
> the
> > same patch.
> >
> > Sure you can split the 6r, but then you're left with only a few
> voices.
> > Preset number 118 in stereo is twice as awesome as the same thing in
> mono.
> > Plus you can easily extend the polyphony to 12 voices (or 18 like me)
> when
> > you need more of a good thing. Patches with a long release sound
> truly
> > awesome and you don't have to worry about voice stealing.
> >
> > Sonically, I believe the primary difference is in how the oscillators
> are
> > auto-tuned. But frankly, with matrix modulation you can duplicate any
> kinds
> > of tuning irregularities you want that are more interesting and/or
> extreme
> > with regard to random pitch variations.
> >
> > If you are into MIDI guitar (like me), the Matrix-1000 is a perfect
> match
> > with it's 6-voice mono mode.
> >
> > I have really enjoyed the versatility of the Matrix-1000 and
> appreciate that
> > I can fit three of them in the same space as a 6r. All three are
> right in
> > front of me mounted in my studio desk next to a Waldorf XT. They make
> a
> > great set of complimentary sounds altogether. -pc
> >
> > p.s. Need more convincing? Listen to this:
> >
> > http://www.rhythmelectric.com/20060627/20060510-Atlantis.mp3
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Apr 13, 2010, at 11:32 PM, bob_at_work_2000 wrote:
> >
> >> Hi group. I recently purchased an Oberheim 1000 and a 6R, listened
> to both
> >> and like what I hear, but think I only have room for one of these
> >> babies....decisions, decisions. Here is what I am weighing....1000
> >> presets, editable via software in mono before external effects or
> 100
> >> presets, editable via front panel or software, in possibly stereo or
> >> layered, but limited to 4/2 or 3/3? voice division. Sonically, the
> units
> >> seem the same although I have not tried an apples with apples voice
> >> comparison....so what are your thoughts on which I should keep?
> >>
> >> Bob
> >> El Segundo, CA
> >>
> >
> >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
>

RE: [oberheim] Help me with a Matrix 100 vs. 6R decision...

2010-04-15 by analogfreak2005

My winning team is Mx6+Mx1000=12 poly (group mode). 
First bank of Mx1000 is identical as on Mx6.
Poor men's MX12....
Nice slick good looking keyboard!!!
At least there's no need to worry about polyphony, and collection of sounds (1000)...
Works for me!!
Alen



--- On Thu, 4/15/10, LarryS <vision1@...> wrote:

From: LarryS <vision1@...>
Subject: RE: [oberheim] Help me with a Matrix 100 vs. 6R decision...
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 5:49 PM







 



  


    
      
      
      On the Matrix 6R midi volume does not work, but only can be made to work by

explicity assigning it to a VCA.

Not exactly convenient.



"wearable keyboard", huh?  LOL!  That was precisely what I got my first 6R

for!  Fabulous.  I always wondered who else ever did that.



Luckily, I've gone to M1000 (2 of them) since then.  And, alas, I'm really

too old and ugly to do much dancing with a keyboard any more.



Roland Axis and Yamaha KX-1



Still got 'em :-)



Larry
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> -----Original Message-----

> From: oberheim@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroup s.com] On

> Behalf Of derrick simpson

> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 4:25 PM

> To: oberheim@yahoogroup s.com

> Subject: Re: [oberheim] Help me with a Matrix 100 vs. 6R decision...

> 

> I agree with Paul...I use two m6rs along with my Studio Electronics

> SE1 in a rack with Ground control as the sound sources for my wearable

> keyboard. I use the M6r's as identical sounds in stereo and also as

> one 6 osc machine when needed...I also like the programability. ...the

> sounds are a great compliment to the SE1.

> 

> Midi volume continues to be a problem for me   can't get it to

> work..but other than that I love the sound of the M6r's.

> 

> Derrick

> 

> On 4/14/10, Paul Cunningham <paul@cometway. com> wrote:

> > I have three Matrix-1000s. I have nothing against the 6r, and if you

> are

> > really into programming it from the front panel, I might recommend

> that

> > instead. However...

> >

> > The only thing better than one Matrix-1000 is two. In stereo. Playing

> the

> > same patch.

> >

> > Sure you can split the 6r, but then you're left with only a few

> voices.

> > Preset number 118 in stereo is twice as awesome as the same thing in

> mono.

> > Plus you can easily extend the polyphony to 12 voices (or 18 like me)

> when

> > you need more of a good thing. Patches with a long release sound

> truly

> > awesome and you don't have to worry about voice stealing.

> >

> > Sonically, I believe the primary difference is in how the oscillators

> are

> > auto-tuned. But frankly, with matrix modulation you can duplicate any

> kinds

> > of tuning irregularities you want that are more interesting and/or

> extreme

> > with regard to random pitch variations.

> >

> > If you are into MIDI guitar (like me), the Matrix-1000 is a perfect

> match

> > with it's 6-voice mono mode.

> >

> > I have really enjoyed the versatility of the Matrix-1000 and

> appreciate that

> > I can fit three of them in the same space as a 6r. All three are

> right in

> > front of me mounted in my studio desk next to a Waldorf XT. They make

> a

> > great set of complimentary sounds altogether. -pc

> >

> > p.s. Need more convincing? Listen to this:

> >

> > http://www.rhythmel ectric.com/ 20060627/ 20060510- Atlantis. mp3

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On Apr 13, 2010, at 11:32 PM, bob_at_work_ 2000 wrote:

> >

> >> Hi group. I recently purchased an Oberheim 1000 and a 6R, listened

> to both

> >> and like what I hear, but think I only have room for one of these

> >> babies....decisions , decisions. Here is what I am weighing.... 1000

> >> presets, editable via software in mono before external effects or

> 100

> >> presets, editable via front panel or software, in possibly stereo or

> >> layered, but limited to 4/2 or 3/3? voice division. Sonically, the

> units

> >> seem the same although I have not tried an apples with apples voice

> >> comparison.. ..so what are your thoughts on which I should keep?

> >>

> >> Bob

> >> El Segundo, CA

> >>

> >

> >

> 

> 

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

> 

> Yahoo! Groups Links

> 

> 

>

Re: Help me with a Matrix 1000 vs. 6R decision...

2010-04-15 by Jumper

I've had a Matrix 6 Keyboard version for many years but have never heard the M1000. I was at the Vintage Synth Explorer website http://www.vintagesynth.com/oberheim/mat6.php and read this comment by
"The Black Knight"
Posted 158 days ago
"Fantastic sounding dirty beast, massive sounds, amazing programmability, slightly slow envelopes but to be perfectly honest not every synth fits all holes, this is an underated classic but i have to point out its got a much more analog sound than that of the matrix 1000, they are supposed to be the same, but those wide bodied CEMS and the sightly odd way its clock pulse behaves compared to that of the 1000 makes them worlds appart imo."
Just curious if anyone else has noticed that, because it could definitely influence the decision.

Re: Help me with a Matrix 1000 vs. 6R decision...

2010-04-16 by Andrea TONI

Hello,

Had 3 m1000 at once .. fantastic synth !
i agree with the previous comment 2 in stereo with voice spillover
and a dedicated multiFx a la tc m300 or an mpx550 .. is a pure sonic heaven
Now i have only one after i got a Jupiter6

never heard a m6 but FIY from
(both use the cem3396 from the schematics)

http://www.sequencer.de/specials/synthesizer_chip.html


Matrix 6 & 6R /// Matrix 1000

Both Matrix use six CEM3396 'Synth on a Chip', M6 has wide body version (600mils), M1000 
the small (300mils) one. Both Matrix synths have DCOs. Master clock is derived from a 
quartz on the Matrix 1000 and from three free running, software calibrated (voltage 
controlled) oscillators on the Matrix 6.
M6 has a 4 to 2 split mode, the M1000 lacks this hardware, otherwise the voices are 
(nearly) the same.
6 CEM3396 Dual Wave Processor (Withe body?)

old definitiion: Matrix 6 and Matrix 1000 differed in the way that the M6 had a couple of 
Curtis chips to generate a voice while the M1000 used a "synth-in-a-box" chip from Curtis 
that had the whole voice in one IC. Even the "Wave" selection feature was packed in there. 
I only don't know if Curtis developed this chip because Oberheim wanted them to do so. So, 
if someone wants to build his own analog synth, he might start with that chip. It's not 
the best sounding chip but very easy to build control circuitries around it. On the web, 
you might find interesting information about SSM and CEM chips.

6 CEM3396 Dual Wave Processor


datasheet of the Cem there :

http://www.cedos.com/datasheets/cem3396pdf.pdf


Andrea

Re: [oberheim] Re: Help me with a Matrix 1000 vs. 6R decision...

2010-04-16 by Paul Cunningham

I have had the Matrix-6 and really cannot confirm such a dramatic difference. I *can* tell you that the build quality of the Matrix-6 was less than impressive. Don't know if the 6r was manufactured overseas.

Seriously, can some one post a mp3 that illustrates these differences? I'd like to hear what the big deal is all about because apparently I missed it before my Matrix-6 started to fail. -pc



On Apr 15, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Jumper wrote:

more analog sound than that of the matrix 1000, they are supposed to be the same, but those wide bodied CEMS and the sightly odd way its clock pulse behaves compared to that of the 1000 makes them worlds appart imo

Re: [oberheim] Re: Help me with a Matrix 1000 vs. 6R decision...

2010-04-16 by ste.mari@libero.it

I have a M6 and a M6r now with Access controller and I have had a M1000 in the past,there is a very thin difference in sound. The CEM are interchangeable a wide bodied IC work on the M1000 and were all built in Japan.
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> I have had the Matrix-6 and really cannot confirm such a dramatic difference. I *can* tell you that the build quality of the Matrix-6 was less than impressive. Don't know if the 6r was manufactured overseas.
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> Seriously, can some one post a mp3 that illustrates these differences? I'd like to hear what the big deal is all about because apparently I missed it before my Matrix-6 started to fail. -pc
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> On Apr 15, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Jumper wrote:
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> > more analog sound than that of the matrix 1000, they are supposed to be the same, but those wide bodied CEMS and the sightly odd way its clock pulse behaves compared to that of the 1000 makes them worlds appart imo
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RE: [oberheim] Re: Help me with a Matrix 1000 vs. 6R decision...

2010-04-16 by LarryS

We're into rarified air here, so I'm sure there will be plenty of differing
opinion, BUT

 

I don't think whatever sonic difference that may allege to exist could be
illustrated by a simple mp3.

 

I've owned both and can hear no diff (aside that which could be explained to
manufacturing tolerance).  Listening closely ENOUGH and you'll hear
differences between every unit of any kind.  

 

Hey, it's *analog* -- it's supposed to be a little bit organic :-)
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Of Paul Cunningham
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I have had the Matrix-6 and really cannot confirm such a dramatic
difference. I *can* tell you that the build quality of the Matrix-6 was less
than impressive. Don't know if the 6r was manufactured overseas.

 

Seriously, can some one post a mp3 that illustrates these differences? I'd
like to hear what the big deal is all about because apparently I missed it
before my Matrix-6 started to fail. -pc

 

 

 

On Apr 15, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Jumper wrote:





more analog sound than that of the matrix 1000, they are supposed to be the
same, but those wide bodied CEMS and the sightly odd way its clock pulse
behaves compared to that of the 1000 makes them worlds appart imo

Re: [oberheim] Re: Help me with a Matrix 1000 vs. 6R decision...

2010-04-16 by Paul Cunningham

Yeah... I mean I've got 3 Matrix-1000s now and there is a subtle difference between the sound of each of them! That's part of the reason they sound so good in stereo! -pc


On Apr 16, 2010, at 12:35 PM, LarryS wrote:
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We’re into rarified air here, so I’m sure there will be plenty of differing opinion, BUT

I don’t think whatever sonic difference that may allege to exist could be illustrated by a simple mp3.

I’ve owned both and can hear no diff (aside that which could be explained to manufacturing tolerance). Listening closely ENOUGH and you’ll hear differences between every unit of any kind.

Hey, it’s *analog* -- it’s supposed to be a little bit organic :-)

RE: [oberheim] Re: Help me with a Matrix 1000 vs. 6R decision...

2010-04-16 by Fraser Hutchinson

You could do that with almost any midi event processor, I believe.
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Of LarryS
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Subject: RE: [oberheim] Re: Help me with a Matrix 1000 vs. 6R decision...

 

  

Stereo is cool, yes.  

 

But the only thing I *wish* I could come up with is an even/odd note
assignment.

 

Yamaha did this on the TX802 (and maybe a couple other modules).   You could
assign the  module to respond to all the even number notes or odd numbered
notes.  This is a fabulous function.

 

Unless you play in a lot of diminished or whole tone scales, anyway ;-)

 

It interleaves the notes very nicely.  It's the ONLY reason I keep a couple
of Yam modules around and I so wish I could do it with the Oberheims.

 

Kurzweil does this, too, by any divisor by assigning multiple modules (1of3,
2of3, 3of3, for instance).

 

Number tricks.

 

Anyway, the effect is incredible in my books.  Like to do it with my M1000s.

 

L.

 

 

 

From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Paul Cunningham
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:19 AM
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [oberheim] Re: Help me with a Matrix 1000 vs. 6R decision...

 



Yeah... I mean I've got 3 Matrix-1000s now and there is a subtle difference
between the sound of each of them! That's part of the reason they sound so
good in stereo! -pc

RE: [oberheim] Re: Help me with a Matrix 1000 vs. 6R decision...

2010-04-16 by LarryS

Stereo is cool, yes.  

 

But the only thing I *wish* I could come up with is an even/odd note
assignment.

 

Yamaha did this on the TX802 (and maybe a couple other modules).   You could
assign the  module to respond to all the even number notes or odd numbered
notes.  This is a fabulous function.

 

Unless you play in a lot of diminished or whole tone scales, anyway ;-)

 

It interleaves the notes very nicely.  It's the ONLY reason I keep a couple
of Yam modules around and I so wish I could do it with the Oberheims.

 

Kurzweil does this, too, by any divisor by assigning multiple modules (1of3,
2of3, 3of3, for instance).

 

Number tricks.

 

Anyway, the effect is incredible in my books.  Like to do it with my M1000s.

 

L.
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Subject: Re: [oberheim] Re: Help me with a Matrix 1000 vs. 6R decision...

 



Yeah... I mean I've got 3 Matrix-1000s now and there is a subtle difference
between the sound of each of them! That's part of the reason they sound so
good in stereo! -pc

RE: [oberheim] Re: Help me with a Matrix 1000 vs. 6R decision...

2010-04-16 by LarryS

Except for any of the ones I've ever owned.

Channelize.

Split.

Layer.

Transpose.

Any of that is pretty well covered.

 

Even/Odd?  Not that I can find.
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Of Fraser Hutchinson
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:07 PM
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [oberheim] Re: Help me with a Matrix 1000 vs. 6R decision...

 






You could do that with almost any midi event processor, I believe.

 

From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of LarryS
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:37 AM
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [oberheim] Re: Help me with a Matrix 1000 vs. 6R decision...

 

  

Stereo is cool, yes.  

 

But the only thing I *wish* I could come up with is an even/odd note
assignment.

 

Yamaha did this on the TX802 (and maybe a couple other modules).   You could
assign the  module to respond to all the even number notes or odd numbered
notes.  This is a fabulous function.

 

Unless you play in a lot of diminished or whole tone scales, anyway ;-)

 

It interleaves the notes very nicely.  It's the ONLY reason I keep a couple
of Yam modules around and I so wish I could do it with the Oberheims.

 

Kurzweil does this, too, by any divisor by assigning multiple modules (1of3,
2of3, 3of3, for instance).

 

Number tricks.

 

Anyway, the effect is incredible in my books.  Like to do it with my M1000s.

 

L.

 

 

 

From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Paul Cunningham
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:19 AM
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [oberheim] Re: Help me with a Matrix 1000 vs. 6R decision...

 



Yeah... I mean I've got 3 Matrix-1000s now and there is a subtle difference
between the sound of each of them! That's part of the reason they sound so
good in stereo! -pc

RE: [oberheim] Help me with a Matrix 100 vs. 6R decision...

2010-04-17 by Ian Bradshaw

I completely agree, the best place to do it but faced with a decision like
this..i would struggle too. If need a home for the 1000 u have my email ;o)
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it's a great question! and what better place to post it? ;-)

 

and despite my own opinons, i love to hear about what other people think.
-pc

 

 

On Apr 14, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Ian Bradshaw wrote:

putting out a question like this this isn't going to help you as we all have
our own preferences, mine being the M100.... If you can afford to keep both
I would put one into storage, that way you win all ways.

 

Ian

 



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RE: [oberheim] Help me with a Matrix 100 vs. 6R decision...

2010-04-19 by Nicole Massey

I have one of each. I find the 6R to be warmer and a bit more pitch erratic,
while the 1000 sounds slightly thinner. (It's a Cream Face model)

I still want to find someone who will help me in designing and building a
small box that will allow you to assign it to a MIDI channel and then use
VCA's to add MIDI Pan and Volume to the output of an audio device -- I've
been thinking about getting this built for about two decades, and I still
see the need for it. 

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From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ian Bradshaw
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:54 PM
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [oberheim] Help me with a Matrix 100 vs. 6R decision...

  

 
 
 
putting out a question like this this isn't going to help you as we all have
our own preferences, mine being the M100.... If you can afford to keep both
I would put one into storage, that way you win all ways.
 
Ian

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	From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Alen Rusko
	Sent: 14 April 2010 08:44
	To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
	Subject: Re: [oberheim] Help me with a Matrix 100 vs. 6R decision...
	
	
	  

	
Definitely 6R!! 
You can get all Mx1000 programs on the internet, and you can load them via
Midi.
Also you can do split/layer with 6R!!!!
Only thing that it has 127 RAM  program places less than Mx1000.(only
drawback).
Anyway, I'll go with 6R...

Alen

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	From: ogusa@... <ogusa@...>
	Subject: Re: [oberheim] Help me with a Matrix 100 vs. 6R decision...
	To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
	Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 5:49 AM
	
	
	  

	Gee the M1000 is only one rack space.
	
	That said, if you can spare the rack space keep the 6R. 
	Bi-timbral/separate outs/front panel editing is definitely better.
	
	I have a M1000 because I can't spare the extra rack spaces.
	
	Only 2 banks of the M1000 are editable, the rest are ROM, though I 
	just use sysex to tweak the ROM sounds as I go.
	
	Stublito
	
	Quoting bob_at_work_ 2000 <tttsystems@earthlin k.net>:
	
	> Hi group. I recently purchased an Oberheim 1000 and a 6R, listened

	> to both and like what I hear, but think I only have room for one
of 
	> these babies....decisions , decisions. Here is what I am 
	> weighing.... 1000 presets, editable via software in mono before 
	> external effects or 100 presets, editable via front panel or 
	> software, in possibly stereo or layered, but limited to 4/2 or
3/3? 
	> voice division. Sonically, the units seem the same although I have

	> not tried an apples with apples voice comparison.. ..so what are
your 
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	> Bob
	> El Segundo, CA
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RE: [oberheim] Re: Help me with a Matrix 1000 vs. 6R decision...

2010-04-19 by Nicole Massey

This is something someone with a well designed MIDI filter could do, and
yes, it would be very cool. 
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From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of LarryS
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 1:37 PM
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [oberheim] Re: Help me with a Matrix 1000 vs. 6R decision...

  

Stereo is cool, yes.  

 

But the only thing I *wish* I could come up with is an even/odd note
assignment.

 

Yamaha did this on the TX802 (and maybe a couple other modules).   You could
assign the  module to respond to all the even number notes or odd numbered
notes.  This is a fabulous function.

 

Unless you play in a lot of diminished or whole tone scales, anyway ;-)

 

It interleaves the notes very nicely.  It's the ONLY reason I keep a couple
of Yam modules around and I so wish I could do it with the Oberheims.

 

Kurzweil does this, too, by any divisor by assigning multiple modules (1of3,
2of3, 3of3, for instance).

 

Number tricks.

 

Anyway, the effect is incredible in my books.  Like to do it with my M1000s.

 

L.

 

 

 

From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Paul Cunningham
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:19 AM
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [oberheim] Re: Help me with a Matrix 1000 vs. 6R decision...

 



Yeah... I mean I've got 3 Matrix-1000s now and there is a subtle difference
between the sound of each of them! That's part of the reason they sound so
good in stereo! -pc

RE: [oberheim] Re: Help me with a Matrix 1000 vs. 6R decision...

2010-04-19 by Nicole Massey

Yeah, like, for example, the Oberheim Systemizer, now that I think of it. 
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Of Fraser Hutchinson
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 1:07 PM
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [oberheim] Re: Help me with a Matrix 1000 vs. 6R decision...

  

You could do that with almost any midi event processor, I believe.

 

From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of LarryS
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:37 AM
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [oberheim] Re: Help me with a Matrix 1000 vs. 6R decision...

 

  

Stereo is cool, yes.  

 

But the only thing I *wish* I could come up with is an even/odd note
assignment.

 

Yamaha did this on the TX802 (and maybe a couple other modules).   You could
assign the  module to respond to all the even number notes or odd numbered
notes.  This is a fabulous function.

 

Unless you play in a lot of diminished or whole tone scales, anyway ;-)

 

It interleaves the notes very nicely.  It's the ONLY reason I keep a couple
of Yam modules around and I so wish I could do it with the Oberheims.

 

Kurzweil does this, too, by any divisor by assigning multiple modules (1of3,
2of3, 3of3, for instance).

 

Number tricks.

 

Anyway, the effect is incredible in my books.  Like to do it with my M1000s.

 

L.

 

 

 

From: oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Paul Cunningham
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:19 AM
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [oberheim] Re: Help me with a Matrix 1000 vs. 6R decision...

 



Yeah... I mean I've got 3 Matrix-1000s now and there is a subtle difference
between the sound of each of them! That's part of the reason they sound so
good in stereo! -pc

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