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P2000: Midi Standard Dump?

P2000: Midi Standard Dump?

2002-02-06 by Tim Conrardy

Hi All

Sorry to bombard the grp with Q's about the P2000, but I hope this is what 
the list is for!! :-)

Q: Can the  MIDI standard Dump be used on the P2000?

Also: is there a trick to getting the P2000 to accept sysex? I am trying my 
Atari editors on it, and I get errors saying the P2000 is not recieving the 
MIDI connection.


My manual is coming, but not here yet.(and someones gatta post! :-)

Thanks in advance

Tim

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RE: [prophet2000] P2000: Midi Standard Dump?

2002-02-06 by Emusic

Which Atari editor are you trying to use? Just curious
since I don't have an Atari setup but instead use an
old Mac with ancient Sound Designer software.

One problem may be that the P2K uses 12bit sample format.
Even though SDS is supposed to work with a generic
driver a lot of the old samplers work best when whatever
software you are trying to use has a specific SDS driver
for that machine.

Are you trying to send or receive from the P2K?
Do you have both MIDI cables connected?
Are you using an emulator or a real ST? I could
never get Steem or any of the other ST emulators
to do anything with external MIDI.

Later,
	Nev.
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Subject: [prophet2000] P2000: Midi Standard Dump?


Hi All

Sorry to bombard the grp with Q's about the P2000, but I hope this is what
the list is for!! :-)

Q: Can the  MIDI standard Dump be used on the P2000?

Also: is there a trick to getting the P2000 to accept sysex? I am trying my
Atari editors on it, and I get errors saying the P2000 is not recieving the
MIDI connection.


My manual is coming, but not here yet.(and someones gatta post! :-)

Thanks in advance

Tim

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RE: [prophet2000] P2000: Midi Standard Dump?

2002-02-06 by Tim Conrardy

Hi all:

>Which Atari editor are you trying to use? Just curious
>since I don't have an Atari setup but instead use an
>old Mac with ancient Sound Designer software.


Drumware's GenWave and of course Sound-Designer. Plus Sample maker and 
SoftSynth. I have Turbosynth too, but have not tried it yet on the P2000.


>
>One problem may be that the P2K uses 12bit sample format.
>Even though SDS is supposed to work with a generic
>driver a lot of the old samplers work best when whatever
>software you are trying to use has a specific SDS driver
>for that machine.


There is a pull down menu, and you can select your sampler. So it is a 
specic driver.


>
>Are you trying to send or receive from the P2K?


yes


>Do you have both MIDI cables connected?


Yes


>Are you using an emulator or a real ST?


An Atari Falcon and TT030 ...so thats a real Atari :-)

This makes me wonder if there are parameters I should set on the P2000 
itself, just like on a DX7, you have to enable sysex and set it to the 
correct Recieve channel, and have memory protect to off. Don't know if the 
P2000 has the equivelent (although I did notice it responds to patch change 
command when running my sequencer.)


I could
>never get Steem or any of the other ST emulators
>to do anything with external MIDI.

Really? I have been getting reports that it works great. Myself, I only use 
the internal soundcard, but I should try it .

Tim

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Re: [prophet2000] P2000: Midi Standard Dump?

2002-02-08 by Tim Conrardy

Re-Post:

Q: Can the  MIDI standard Dump be used on the P2000?>

anybody?

Tim


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Re: P2000: Midi Standard Dump?

2002-02-13 by grooveloop7

--- In prophet2000@y..., "Tim Conrardy" <tconrardy@h...> wrote:
> 
> Re-Post:
> 
> Q: Can the  MIDI standard Dump be used on the P2000?>
> 
> anybody?

Short answer: YES.

I know so far that you have to allocate size and select the sample 
into which you want the download to go.  My p2000 keeps truncating 
everything however when I transfer it using Awave Studio v7.3 from my 
pc.

Anyone know what I might be doing wrong?  I set the size to 256 
before I transfer and it always truncates and aborts the dump after 
about 400 packets - the size indicates 16 blocks afterwards....

thanks,
pete

Re: [prophet2000] Re: P2000: Midi Standard Dump?

2002-02-13 by ferrograph@aol.com

<< Anyone know what I might be doing wrong?  I set the size to 256 
before I transfer and it always truncates and aborts the dump after 
about 400 packets >>

I remember doing this (with two midi cables) between my 2000 and my 2002. 
eventually I realised that the sonic benefit wasn't worth it and I should 
just fix the other floppy drive....

I do remember, however, that you had to set the size on the front of the 
receiving machine and press execute. this seemed odd at the time; the 
different-typeface section in my manual says that the header contains the 
sample number and size, so... why...? then later on, it says that the 
receiving 2000/2 ignores the sample number in the header "and dumps to the 
current sound(/map/preset- these could be copied in the same way) to 
facilitate cross-loading between machines..." like floppies hadn't been 
invented, almost.... they were keen to get this methodology ratified, weren't 
they? midi was a strange new thing then...
 
it goes on to say that "it is advised that a sound parameter dump follow a 
sample dump, since the sample dump cannot handle such details as release 
loop-points etc." i.e. only the sustain loop points find their way across. 
this again assumes that you are, for some mad reason, attempting to transfer 
stuff between two machines using only electricity and ignoring sony's 
fabulous life-changing 3.5" miracle.

the normal-typeface bit of the manual is very brief and vague in this area, 
suggesting only that you use two midi cables and that "all sample dumps are 
recorded to the slave's current sound number, sample rate and allocated 
sample size" though it goes on to add that "it is also possible to 
intentionally dump to a different rate." contradictions....

make sure that your new dump will actually fit in the 256 blocks (do these 
correspond to kilobytes? I can't remember) and you haven't changed the baud 
rate in "midi-options". (dave & the boys getting adventurous- I think there 
might even have been a firmware rev that could run at 3 times normal midi 
baud rates- btw, what rev is your machine?)

the manual concentrates on the dumper rather than the dumpee, and so isn't 
much help when the dumper isn't SCI itself. I remember doing everything as 
though I was about to record a new sample, and selecting the target sound in 
the second row "sound number" box aswell. I did make it work, but it was 
worse than watching paint dry.

duncan/r.m.i.

Re: [prophet2000] Re: P2000: Midi Standard Dump?

2002-02-14 by Tim Conrardy

>> > Q: Can the  MIDI standard Dump be used on the P2000?>
> >
> > anybody?
>
>Short answer: YES.
>
>I know so far that you have to allocate size and select the sample
>into which you want the download to go.  My p2000 keeps truncating
>everything however when I transfer it using Awave Studio v7.3 from my
>pc.
>

Thanks Pete...finally a stright answer!!

Tim
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Re: P2000: Midi Standard Dump?

2002-02-21 by grooveloop7

> make sure that your new dump will actually fit in the 256 blocks 
(do these 
> correspond to kilobytes? I can't remember) and you haven't changed 
the baud 
> rate in "midi-options". (dave & the boys getting adventurous- I 
think there 
> might even have been a firmware rev that could run at 3 times 
normal midi 
> baud rates- btw, what rev is your machine?)

Ugh.  Can you tell I don't have the manual?  I can't figure out which 
option parameter corresponds...  Anyone??  Also I understand there's 
a way to initiate a dump out of the p2k...  - how ??

thanks,
pete

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