Wiardgroup

Hi,

I'll be playing a row of 300-series Wiard (with joystick controller) 
in downtown LA tomorrow (friday the 17th) night with the noise rock 
band, Liquorball, at the Dung Mummy Festival.  This will not be 
pretty music, but those with a propensity towards the avant-
garde/freakazoid/psychedelic styles of music will probably find 
things to appreciate at the event.  I cannot help but think of the 
late, and sorely missed, John Mitchell (Konkuro), as the world's 
energy needs could probably be met from the extreme rotational 
forces harnessed at his resting place while we perform.  One of the 
reasons I love the Wiard is because it makes bug noises (although I 
won't have my Woggle- there), farts, flying saucers/rayguns, and 
screeches even better than most analog synths ...

friday, march 17th, 8PM (Liquorball around midnight???)
$5.00 per night (or donations) 

iL Corral, 662 no. heliotrope dr (just south of melrose near 101)
los angeles, ca 90004 

schedule/info:
http://www.hop-frog.com/DUNGMUMMYFESTIVAL2.htm

(Apologies to those not in the LA area, but I am *definitely* 
interested to hear about anyone performing live with Wiards, 
anywhere)

Doug

Awesome...I hope to come out tommorow.  I perfromed at Il Corral just last week with The 
Dog of Tears Orchestra.  http://xexify.normbaits.com/hi.html
Half of the band is involved in the manufacturing of the Ear Group modules and we used a 
few Ear modules in the performance.
    -Sean Price
      Ear-Group.com


--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Pearson" <jasret@...> wrote:

>
> Hi,
> 
> I'll be playing a row of 300-series Wiard (with joystick controller) 
> in downtown LA tomorrow (friday the 17th) night with the noise rock 
> band, Liquorball, at the Dung Mummy Festival.  This will not be 
> pretty music, but those with a propensity towards the avant-
> garde/freakazoid/psychedelic styles of music will probably find 
> things to appreciate at the event.  I cannot help but think of the 
> late, and sorely missed, John Mitchell (Konkuro), as the world's 
> energy needs could probably be met from the extreme rotational 
> forces harnessed at his resting place while we perform.  One of the 
> reasons I love the Wiard is because it makes bug noises (although I 
> won't have my Woggle- there), farts, flying saucers/rayguns, and 
> screeches even better than most analog synths ...
> 
> friday, march 17th, 8PM (Liquorball around midnight???)
> $5.00 per night (or donations) 
> 
> iL Corral, 662 no. heliotrope dr (just south of melrose near 101)
> los angeles, ca 90004 
> 
> schedule/info:
> http://www.hop-frog.com/DUNGMUMMYFESTIVAL2.htm
> 
> (Apologies to those not in the LA area, but I am *definitely* 
> interested to hear about anyone performing live with Wiards, 
> anywhere)
> 
> Doug
>

WOW, you can get into a show in LA for 5 measly bucks!!!!!!!!!

You can't even get in a show in MILWAUKEE for 5 bucks anymore.

But you can still get a PBR for $1 during happy hour, so Milwaukee hasn't completely gone 
"uptown". God Bless Them.

On another subject, the Almighty in it's infinite wisdom has seen fit to make St. Patrick the 
patron Saint of both Irishmen and engineers. The exact reason for this remains a mystery, 
but we can only salute such a fine choice if there ever was one.

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Pearson" <jasret@...> wrote:

>
> Hi,
> 
> I'll be playing a row of 300-series Wiard (with joystick controller) 
> in downtown LA tomorrow (friday the 17th) night with the noise rock 
> band, Liquorball, at the Dung Mummy Festival.  This will not be 
> pretty music, but those with a propensity towards the avant-
> garde/freakazoid/psychedelic styles of music will probably find 
> things to appreciate at the event.  I cannot help but think of the 
> late, and sorely missed, John Mitchell (Konkuro), as the world's 
> energy needs could probably be met from the extreme rotational 
> forces harnessed at his resting place while we perform.  One of the 
> reasons I love the Wiard is because it makes bug noises (although I 
> won't have my Woggle- there), farts, flying saucers/rayguns, and 
> screeches even better than most analog synths ...
> 
> friday, march 17th, 8PM (Liquorball around midnight???)
> $5.00 per night (or donations) 
> 
> iL Corral, 662 no. heliotrope dr (just south of melrose near 101)
> los angeles, ca 90004 
> 
> schedule/info:
> http://www.hop-frog.com/DUNGMUMMYFESTIVAL2.htm
> 
> (Apologies to those not in the LA area, but I am *definitely* 
> interested to hear about anyone performing live with Wiards, 
> anywhere)
> 
> Doug
>

well, lad.....I'LL give you OT!!!!!!
8] 
(manic grin bordering on a grimace)

(for reference among those among you who don't know me personally, my
given name is Michael E. Murphy)


I'm sorry to report that the Holy See in Rome is STILL considering the
removal of the feast of the legendary Bishop of Armagh (St. P.) from
the canonical calendar.
It gives me some comfort and more than a bit of smug gratification
that the image of:
A horde of  enraged, chapel-veiled, shillelagh-wielding, crones
swarming across the Irish sea and the channel , stepping on the
petrified skeletons of drowned snakes, using one-another's bodies as a
living bridge like army ants on a relentless march to Rome, where they
would pummel that sinister Kraut in St. Peter's chair into a small
greasy spot on the bloodstained Medici carpets….
...still gives them cause for caution in the Vatican.
=)
It seems that they didn't keep very good records in 500ad and there's
some question as to whether Patrick was ever processed through the
whole beatification rigmarole or not. If nothing else it's testament
to the Irish contempt and disdain for formal procedure!
;)
As for the patronage of engineers, that ascription wasn't recorded
until the first millennium, 500 years after Patrick died. He has been
ascribed to the plight of `excluded people' for much longer. Maybe
they decided to designate engineers in particular when they got a look
at the hapless members of this new profession trying to pick up chicks
at the jousting matches!

eire go brach

-`doc'

PS:
hey Dave! 'pbr' is pabst blue ribbon
just one of the beers that made Milwaukee famous!

And now, back to our irregularly scheduled on-topic
posts ...


Mike (a.k.a. the group moderator, who has been known
to chastise people in the past for posting too far off
topic and doesn't want to appear lax on the matter)



--- drmabuce <drmabuce@yahoo.com> wrote:

> well, lad.....I'LL give you OT!!!!!!
> 8] 
> (manic grin bordering on a grimace)
> 
> (for reference among those among you who don't know
> me personally, my
> given name is Michael E. Murphy)
> 
> 
> I'm sorry to report that the Holy See in Rome is
> STILL considering the
> removal of the feast of the legendary Bishop of
> Armagh (St. P.) from
> the canonical calendar.
> It gives me some comfort and more than a bit of smug
> gratification
> that the image of:
> A horde of  enraged, chapel-veiled,
> shillelagh-wielding, crones
> swarming across the Irish sea and the channel ,
> stepping on the
> petrified skeletons of drowned snakes, using
> one-another's bodies as a
> living bridge like army ants on a relentless march
> to Rome, where they
> would pummel that sinister Kraut in St. Peter's
> chair into a small
> greasy spot on the bloodstained Medici carpets….
> ...still gives them cause for caution in the
> Vatican.
> =)
> It seems that they didn't keep very good records in
> 500ad and there's
> some question as to whether Patrick was ever
> processed through the
> whole beatification rigmarole or not. If nothing
> else it's testament
> to the Irish contempt and disdain for formal
> procedure!
> ;)
> As for the patronage of engineers, that ascription
> wasn't recorded
> until the first millennium, 500 years after Patrick
> died. He has been
> ascribed to the plight of `excluded people' for much
> longer. Maybe
> they decided to designate engineers in particular
> when they got a look
> at the hapless members of this new profession trying
> to pick up chicks
> at the jousting matches!
> 
> eire go brach
> 
> -`doc'
> 
> PS:
> hey Dave! 'pbr' is pabst blue ribbon
> just one of the beers that made Milwaukee famous!
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Hi Mike!
(Fisher? Fisher? isn't that an Irish name? I know a Declan Fisher in
Galway!)
;")
Every good irishman takes great comfort in seeing the the chief of the
local constablery at the corner table of the pub with everyone else!

it's good to know you're there!

ok (hic) officer i'll go quietly now, with ya...

-doc


--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, Mike Fisher <hciassociates@...> wrote:
>
> And now, back to our irregularly scheduled on-topic
> posts ...
> 
> 
> Mike (a.k.a. the group moderator, who has been known
> to chastise people in the past for posting too far off
> topic and doesn't want to appear lax on the matter)
> 
> 
> 
> --- drmabuce <drmabuce@...> wrote:
> 
> > well, lad.....I'LL give you OT!!!!!!
> > 8] 
> > (manic grin bordering on a grimace)
> > 
> > (for reference among those among you who don't know
> > me personally, my
> > given name is Michael E. Murphy)
> > 
> > 
> > I'm sorry to report that the Holy See in Rome is
> > STILL considering the
> > removal of the feast of the legendary Bishop of
> > Armagh (St. P.) from
> > the canonical calendar.
> > It gives me some comfort and more than a bit of smug
> > gratification
> > that the image of:
> > A horde of  enraged, chapel-veiled,
> > shillelagh-wielding, crones
> > swarming across the Irish sea and the channel ,
> > stepping on the
> > petrified skeletons of drowned snakes, using
> > one-another's bodies as a
> > living bridge like army ants on a relentless march
> > to Rome, where they
> > would pummel that sinister Kraut in St. Peter's
> > chair into a small
> > greasy spot on the bloodstained Medici carpets
.

> > ...still gives them cause for caution in the
> > Vatican.
> > =)
> > It seems that they didn't keep very good records in
> > 500ad and there's
> > some question as to whether Patrick was ever
> > processed through the
> > whole beatification rigmarole or not. If nothing
> > else it's testament
> > to the Irish contempt and disdain for formal
> > procedure!
> > ;)
> > As for the patronage of engineers, that ascription
> > wasn't recorded
> > until the first millennium, 500 years after Patrick
> > died. He has been
> > ascribed to the plight of `excluded people' for much
> > longer. Maybe
> > they decided to designate engineers in particular
> > when they got a look
> > at the hapless members of this new profession trying
> > to pick up chicks
> > at the jousting matches!
> > 
> > eire go brach
> > 
> > -`doc'
> > 
> > PS:
> > hey Dave! 'pbr' is pabst blue ribbon
> > just one of the beers that made Milwaukee famous!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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See

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestalt_entity

I think composing electronic music on synthesizers probably qualifies pretty well as a gestalt 
entity. As such it is hard to say what is really off topic.

If I say "Eddie Vedder's girlfriend had a spacerock band called Hovercraft".
And somebody else "There was a Monty Python sketch about a hovercraft full of eels".
And I look up "hovercraft full of eels" and I find a page with audio sample of people saying 
that in all kinds of languages.

http://www.omniglot.com/language/phrases/hovercraft.htm

Which I process through my Wiard to make new piece of electronic music.
I don't know if it is off topic, but it is a gestalt entity, I'm pretty sure.

Inspiration comes from all kinds of weird places.

"Grant Richter" <grichter@...> wrote:
>
> See
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestalt_entity
> 
> I think composing electronic music on synthesizers probably
qualifies pretty well as a gestalt 
> entity. As such it is hard to say what is really off topic.
> 
> If I say "Eddie Vedder's girlfriend had a spacerock band called
Hovercraft".
>

Another rock personality, David Lee Roth once said, "I used to have a
drug problem, but now I'm wealthy!"

Is this off topic? 8o)

gc

Have you priced Wellbutrin XL?

Nobody is that wealthy...


--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Chang" <gchang@...> wrote:

>
> "Grant Richter" <grichter@> wrote:
> >
> > See
> > 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestalt_entity
> > 
> > I think composing electronic music on synthesizers probably
> qualifies pretty well as a gestalt 
> > entity. As such it is hard to say what is really off topic.
> > 
> > If I say "Eddie Vedder's girlfriend had a spacerock band called
> Hovercraft".
> >
> 
> Another rock personality, David Lee Roth once said, "I used to have a
> drug problem, but now I'm wealthy!"
> 
> Is this off topic? 8o)
> 
> gc
>

or if not a gestalt...
how's about a ZEITGEIST! wherein a phenomenon may be seen to be a
manifestation of a context too subtle to be readily apparent...
like... uh.... St Patrick's patronage of  engineers and excluded
people is symbolic of the market censure that Grant's  maverick design
parameters (ie those that inspire him to refrain from designing ladder
filters ADSRs and big black panels) impose on him. And the Vatican is
involved because their flirtation with the removal of his feast day is
a form of meta-censure vis-a-vis the exclusion of the patron saint of
excluded engineers....

uh....

OK!
 how 'bout this!!!????

in months where we haven't hit 20 posts by the 15th... we get to
natter out wildy extraneous nonsense until the average is back up to
40 posts a month?

;'>

(ok..... slow day waiting for the backups to complete....signing off now)
-doc



--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Grant Richter" <grichter@...> wrote:

>
> Have you priced Wellbutrin XL?
> 
> Nobody is that wealthy...
> 
> 
> --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Chang" <gchang@> wrote:
> >
> > "Grant Richter" <grichter@> wrote:
> > >
> > > See
> > > 
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestalt_entity
> > > 
> > > I think composing electronic music on synthesizers probably
> > qualifies pretty well as a gestalt 
> > > entity. As such it is hard to say what is really off topic.
> > > 
> > > If I say "Eddie Vedder's girlfriend had a spacerock band called
> > Hovercraft".
> > >
> > 
> > Another rock personality, David Lee Roth once said, "I used to have a
> > drug problem, but now I'm wealthy!"
> > 
> > Is this off topic? 8o)
> > 
> > gc
> >
>

I KNEW the Vatican was involved, MOTM must tithe...

(Just kidding Paul)


--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "drmabuce" <drmabuce@...> wrote:

>
> or if not a gestalt...
> how's about a ZEITGEIST! wherein a phenomenon may be seen to be a
> manifestation of a context too subtle to be readily apparent...
> like... uh.... St Patrick's patronage of  engineers and excluded
> people is symbolic of the market censure that Grant's  maverick design
> parameters (ie those that inspire him to refrain from designing ladder
> filters ADSRs and big black panels) impose on him. And the Vatican is
> involved because their flirtation with the removal of his feast day is
> a form of meta-censure vis-a-vis the exclusion of the patron saint of
> excluded engineers....
> 
> uh....
> 
> OK!
>  how 'bout this!!!????
> 
> in months where we haven't hit 20 posts by the 15th... we get to
> natter out wildy extraneous nonsense until the average is back up to
> 40 posts a month?
> 
> ;'>
> 
> (ok..... slow day waiting for the backups to complete....signing off now)
> -doc
> 
> 
> 
> --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Grant Richter" <grichter@> wrote:
> >
> > Have you priced Wellbutrin XL?
> > 
> > Nobody is that wealthy...
> > 
> > 
> > --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Chang" <gchang@> wrote:
> > >
> > > "Grant Richter" <grichter@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > See
> > > > 
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestalt_entity
> > > > 
> > > > I think composing electronic music on synthesizers probably
> > > qualifies pretty well as a gestalt 
> > > > entity. As such it is hard to say what is really off topic.
> > > > 
> > > > If I say "Eddie Vedder's girlfriend had a spacerock band called
> > > Hovercraft".
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Another rock personality, David Lee Roth once said, "I used to have a
> > > drug problem, but now I'm wealthy!"
> > > 
> > > Is this off topic? 8o)
> > > 
> > > gc
> > >
> >
>

It is one thing to have the intuition that audio can be described by a terrain oscillator 
tracing overlapping projections of higher dimensional objects on a plane. It is another 
thing to build it in analog. Or prove it or calculate it. It does relate sound back to 
geometry.

Still, geometry is a lot of fun to study. If someone wants to lend me a copy of the original 
folio of J.F. Nicerons "Thaumaturgus Opticus" (1649) it would help (pretty seminal on 
anamorphic projection). Oops, Vatican has it...

"Projection" is a way of expressing higher dimension objects in a lower dimension. A 
geometric analog of mixing, as an example because you can not generate a full original 
from only information contained in shadows. (a projection is the shadow of a higher 
dimension geometrical object which is veiwable in a lower dimension).

I'll have to settle for the works of Claude Bragdon such as this:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/048627117X/
ref=sr_11_1/104-0050071-2953569?%5Fencoding=UTF8

I was so excited, then I found out he wrote the intro to the "Tertium Organum".
Up here in Wisconsin you know we have Lawsonomy. Also very geometric, "The Law of the 
Zig-Zag and Swirl" for example.

Apparently, studying geometry above 3 dimensions makes you start a religion, so begin 
tithing now and beat the rush!

Number Theory may be the Grande Dame of mathematics, but Geometry sure is the pretty 
looking one. Now someone tell me there is a one to one correspondence between number 
theory and geometry... (I recall something about unification).

"Natter" is such a parental word...

> 
> in months where we haven't hit 20 posts by the 15th... we get to
> natter out wildy extraneous nonsense until the average is back up to
> 40 posts a month?
>

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Grant Richter" <grichter@...> wrote:

>
> "Natter" is such a parental word...
> 
> > 
> > in months where we haven't hit 20 posts by the 15th... we get to
> > natter out wildy extraneous nonsense until the average is back up to
> > 40 posts a month?
> >
>

and for those of us who shun the technical side, there are some truly
great explanations of "projection", as well as thoughts on the more
religious/spritual aspects, in edwin a. abbot's book "flatland". find
out how A. Square (who lives in a two dimensinal reality) deals with
life when proof of a third dimension comes his way!

gregg

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Grant Richter" <grichter@...> wrote:
>
> It is one thing to have the intuition that audio can be described by
a terrain oscillator 
> tracing overlapping projections of higher dimensional objects on a
plane. It is another 
> thing to build it in analog. Or prove it or calculate it. It does
relate sound back to 
> geometry.
> 
> Still, geometry is a lot of fun to study. If someone wants to lend
me a copy of the original 
> folio of J.F. Nicerons "Thaumaturgus Opticus" (1649) it would help
(pretty seminal on 
> anamorphic projection). Oops, Vatican has it...
> 
> "Projection" is a way of expressing higher dimension objects in a
lower dimension. A 
> geometric analog of mixing, as an example because you can not
generate a full original 
> from only information contained in shadows. (a projection is the
shadow of a higher 
> dimension geometrical object which is veiwable in a lower dimension).
> 
> I'll have to settle for the works of Claude Bragdon such as this:
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/048627117X/
> ref=sr_11_1/104-0050071-2953569?%5Fencoding=UTF8
> 
> I was so excited, then I found out he wrote the intro to the
"Tertium Organum".
> Up here in Wisconsin you know we have Lawsonomy. Also very
geometric, "The Law of the 
> Zig-Zag and Swirl" for example.
> 
> Apparently, studying geometry above 3 dimensions makes you start a
religion, so begin 
> tithing now and beat the rush!
> 
> Number Theory may be the Grande Dame of mathematics, but Geometry
sure is the pretty 
> looking one. Now someone tell me there is a one to one
correspondence between number 
> theory and geometry... (I recall something about unification).
>

Hi Gregg
Abbot's (what an ironic surname) book is a treasure! The only guy i've
ever met who ACTUALLY grasps string theories uses it to teach about
simultaneity in a grad-school physiscs class!
it's fun to watch physicists go after one another about how to explain
  particle behavior that 'appears' to operate outside of linear time.
These brouhahas (comically called conferences) get ALMOST as
entertaining as discussions of panel features.

("who will prove the proofs themselves")
-Rube Godel

;'>
-doc



--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "mrboningen"
<darkflametwentythree@...> wrote:
>
> and for those of us who shun the technical side, there are some truly
> great explanations of "projection", as well as thoughts on the more
> religious/spritual aspects, in edwin a. abbot's book "flatland". find
> out how A. Square (who lives in a two dimensinal reality) deals with
> life when proof of a third dimension comes his way!
> 
> gregg
> 
> --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Grant Richter" <grichter@> wrote:
> >
> > It is one thing to have the intuition that audio can be described by
> a terrain oscillator 
> > tracing overlapping projections of higher dimensional objects on a
> plane. It is another 
> > thing to build it in analog. Or prove it or calculate it. It does
> relate sound back to 
> > geometry.
> > 
> > Still, geometry is a lot of fun to study. If someone wants to lend
> me a copy of the original 
> > folio of J.F. Nicerons "Thaumaturgus Opticus" (1649) it would help
> (pretty seminal on 
> > anamorphic projection). Oops, Vatican has it...
> > 
> > "Projection" is a way of expressing higher di


mension objects in a

> lower dimension. A 
> > geometric analog of mixing, as an example because you can not
> generate a full original 
> > from only information contained in shadows. (a projection is the
> shadow of a higher 
> > dimension geometrical object which is veiwable in a lower dimension).
> > 
> > I'll have to settle for the works of Claude Bragdon such as this:
> > 
> > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/048627117X/
> > ref=sr_11_1/104-0050071-2953569?%5Fencoding=UTF8
> > 
> > I was so excited, then I found out he wrote the intro to the
> "Tertium Organum".
> > Up here in Wisconsin you know we have Lawsonomy. Also very
> geometric, "The Law of the 
> > Zig-Zag and Swirl" for example.
> > 
> > Apparently, studying geometry above 3 dimensions makes you start a
> religion, so begin 
> > tithing now and beat the rush!
> > 
> > Number Theory may be the Grande Dame of mathematics, but Geometry
> sure is the pretty 
> > looking one. Now someone tell me there is a one to one
> correspondence between number 
> > theory and geometry... (I recall something about unification).
> >
>

Actually, the more I think about it, it is so obvious as to be hard to see.

Most physical instruments have more dimensions than are recorded.

A drum is a 4 dimensional instrument, which is reduced to a two dimensional projection 
by the recording process. This could suggest why they are so difficult to record well.

I think the brain produces a lot of "data enhancement" by triggering multidimensional 
memories from the two dimensional input "cues".

Physically, we can't make an 11 dimensional "tone wheel", but you can with a mathematical 
model. A spherical tone wheel is even easy to visualize.

It does suggest that the ear can detect the number of degrees of freedom in the original 
source, from the projection.

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "drmabuce" <drmabuce@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Gregg
> Abbot's (what an ironic surname) book is a treasure! The only guy i've
> ever met who ACTUALLY grasps string theories uses it to teach about
> simultaneity in a grad-school physiscs class!
> it's fun to watch physicists go after one another about how to explain
>   particle behavior that 'appears' to operate outside of linear time.
> These brouhahas (comically called conferences) get ALMOST as
> entertaining as discussions of panel features.
> 
> ("who will prove the proofs themselves")
> -Rube Godel
> 
> ;'>
> -doc
> 
> 
> 
> --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "mrboningen"
> <darkflametwentythree@> wrote:
> >
> > and for those of us who shun the technical side, there are some truly
> > great explanations of "projection", as well as thoughts on the more
> > religious/spritual aspects, in edwin a. abbot's book "flatland". find
> > out how A. Square (who lives in a two dimensinal reality) deals with
> > life when proof of a third dimension comes his way!
> > 
> > gregg
> > 
> > --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Grant Richter" <grichter@> wrote:
> > >
> > > It is one thing to have the intuition that audio can be described by
> > a terrain oscillator 
> > > tracing overlapping projections of higher dimensional objects on a
> > plane. It is another 
> > > thing to build it in analog. Or prove it or calculate it. It does
> > relate sound back to 
> > > geometry.
> > > 
> > > Still, geometry is a lot of fun to study. If someone wants to lend
> > me a copy of the original 
> > > folio of J.F. Nicerons "Thaumaturgus Opticus" (1649) it would help
> > (pretty seminal on 
> > > anamorphic projection). Oops, Vatican has it...
> > > 
> > > "Projection" is a way of expressing higher di
> 
> 
> mension objects in a
> > lower dimension. A 
> > > geometric analog of mixing, as an example because you can not
> > generate a full original 
> > > from only information contained in shadows. (a projection is the
> > shadow of a higher 
> > > dimension geometrical object which is veiwable in a lower dimension).
> > > 
> > > I'll have to settle for the works of Claude Bragdon such as this:
> > > 
> > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/048627117X/
> > > ref=sr_11_1/104-0050071-2953569?%5Fencoding=UTF8
> > > 
> > > I was so excited, then I found out he wrote the intro to the
> > "Tertium Organum".
> > > Up here in Wisconsin you know we have Lawsonomy. Also very
> > geometric, "The Law of the 
> > > Zig-Zag and Swirl" for example.
> > > 
> > > Apparently, studying geometry above 3 dimensions makes you start a
> > religion, so begin 
> > > tithing now and beat the rush!
> > > 
> > > Number Theory may be the Grande Dame of mathematics, but Geometry
> > sure is the pretty 
> > > looking one. Now someone tell me there is a one to one
> > correspondence between number 
> > > theory and geometry... (I recall something about unification).
> > >
> >
>

Speaking of Niceron and "Thaumaturgus Opticus," have you seen the 
Brothers Quay short animation film "Anamorphosis?" It's essentially a 
lecture on the subject with outstanding stop-action animation. It's 
on their DVD "The Brothers Quay Collection: Ten Astonishing Short 
Films 1984-1993" of which you can see more info about here:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/6305957681/qid=1143139719/sr=8-
1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-1636159-8076708?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130

Definitely worth checking out. 

Mike Fun




--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Grant Richter" <grichter@...> 
wrote:
>
> It is one thing to have the intuition that audio can be described 
by a terrain oscillator 
> tracing overlapping projections of higher dimensional objects on a 
plane. It is another 
> thing to build it in analog. Or prove it or calculate it. It does 
relate sound back to 
> geometry.
> 
> Still, geometry is a lot of fun to study. If someone wants to lend 
me a copy of the original 
> folio of J.F. Nicerons "Thaumaturgus Opticus" (1649) it would help 
(pretty seminal on 
> anamorphic projection). Oops, Vatican has it...
> 
> "Projection" is a way of expressing higher dimension objects in a 
lower dimension. A 
> geometric analog of mixing, as an example because you can not 
generate a full original 
> from only information contained in shadows. (a projection is the 
shadow of a higher 
> dimension geometrical object which is veiwable in a lower 
dimension).
> 
> I'll have to settle for the works of Claude Bragdon such as this:
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/048627117X/
> ref=sr_11_1/104-0050071-2953569?%5Fencoding=UTF8
> 
> I was so excited, then I found out he wrote the intro to 
the "Tertium Organum".
> Up here in Wisconsin you know we have Lawsonomy. Also very 
geometric, "The Law of the 
> Zig-Zag and Swirl" for example.
> 
> Apparently, studying geometry above 3 dimensions makes you start a 
religion, so begin 
> tithing now and beat the rush!
> 
> Number Theory may be the Grande Dame of mathematics, but Geometry 
sure is the pretty 
> looking one. Now someone tell me there is a one to one 
correspondence between number 
> theory and geometry... (I recall something about unification).
>

Hi Mike
--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "hypocycloid2" <
> Speaking of Niceron and "Thaumaturgus Opticus," have you seen the 
> Brothers Quay short animation film "Anamorphosis?" 

i'm a slobbering Quay Bros. fan and i saw this collection years ago
but i'm going to rent it again...
Thanx for the lead!
-doc