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Midi assigning weirdness.

Midi assigning weirdness.

2003-11-26 by Jacob Talkington

I'm using Orion Platinum to cue sounds from the XL-7 (with World 
Expedition and Sied. Orchestral ROMS installed), and the MIDI out is 
experiencing some weirdness when trying to access the sounds. 
Theoretically, I would have assumed that Bank 1, Preset 1 would call 
for User 1/1, which it does. However, to get the XL, World Exp, or 
Orchestral ROMS, I have to choose 9, 14, and 66 respectively. What 
the hell?

Any ideas on why it's laid out this way?

/.jacob

Re: [xl7] Midi assigning weirdness.

2003-12-01 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Each ROm gets it's own ID, and thus bank. Select the preset you want to 
use on that channel, and then press Audition to see the MSB and LSB values 
for that ROM location.

rEalm





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  I'm using Orion Platinum to cue sounds from the XL-7 (with World 
Expedition and Sied. Orchestral ROMS installed), and the MIDI out is 
experiencing some weirdness when trying to access the sounds. 
Theoretically, I would have assumed that Bank 1, Preset 1 would call 
for User 1/1, which it does. However, to get the XL, World Exp, or 
Orchestral ROMS, I have to choose 9, 14, and 66 respectively. What 
the hell?

Any ideas on why it's laid out this way?

/.jacob



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Re: Midi assigning weirdness.

2003-12-01 by Jacob Talkington

Oh.. spiffy, thanks, Erik :)  I have a follow-up question. Two, 
actually. What do MSB and LSB stand for? And how would I choose a 
preset in LSB>0 from an external controller? My controller allows 
selection of banks 0-127 and patches 1-127.

  Thanks again - wish I'd found this earlier! :)

/.e

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Each ROm gets it's own ID, and thus bank. Select the preset you 
want to 
> use on that channel, and then press Audition to see the MSB and 
LSB values 
> for that ROM location.
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Jacob Talkington" <anomaly10@h...>
> 11/26/2003 01:41 PM
> Please respond to xl7
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> 
>   I'm using Orion Platinum to cue sounds from the XL-7 (with World 
> Expedition and Sied. Orchestral ROMS installed), and the MIDI out 
is 
> experiencing some weirdness when trying to access the sounds. 
> Theoretically, I would have assumed that Bank 1, Preset 1 would 
call 
> for User 1/1, which it does. However, to get the XL, World Exp, or 
> Orchestral ROMS, I have to choose 9, 14, and 66 respectively. What 
> the hell?
> 
> Any ideas on why it's laid out this way?
> 
> /.jacob
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Re: [xl7] Re: Midi assigning weirdness.

2003-12-02 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

MSB - Most Significant Bit
LSB - Least Significant Bit

What external controller are you using?  There should be something in it's 
manual about how to send this info.

rEalm





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  Oh.. spiffy, thanks, Erik :)  I have a follow-up question. Two, 
actually. What do MSB and LSB stand for? And how would I choose a 
preset in LSB>0 from an external controller? My controller allows 
selection of banks 0-127 and patches 1-127.

  Thanks again - wish I'd found this earlier! :)

/.e

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Each ROm gets it's own ID, and thus bank. Select the preset you 
want to 
> use on that channel, and then press Audition to see the MSB and 
LSB values 
> for that ROM location.
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Jacob Talkington" <anomaly10@h...>
> 11/26/2003 01:41 PM
> Please respond to xl7
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>         Subject:        [xl7] Midi assigning weirdness.
> 
> 
>   I'm using Orion Platinum to cue sounds from the XL-7 (with World 
> Expedition and Sied. Orchestral ROMS installed), and the MIDI out 
is 
> experiencing some weirdness when trying to access the sounds. 
> Theoretically, I would have assumed that Bank 1, Preset 1 would 
call 
> for User 1/1, which it does. However, to get the XL, World Exp, or 
> Orchestral ROMS, I have to choose 9, 14, and 66 respectively. What 
> the hell?
> 
> Any ideas on why it's laid out this way?
> 
> /.jacob
> 
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Re: Midi assigning weirdness.

2003-12-02 by Jacob Talkington

Using Orion Platinum 5 to control it. It's a fairly simple midi-
out plugin, and I'm hoping it's not so simple that I can control 
this parameter :)

/.e

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> MSB - Most Significant Bit
> LSB - Least Significant Bit
> 
> What external controller are you using?  There should be something 
in it's 
> manual about how to send this info.
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Jacob Talkington" <anomaly10@h...>
> 12/01/2003 01:42 PM
> Please respond to xl7
> 
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>         To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
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>         Subject:        [xl7] Re: Midi assigning weirdness.
> 
> 
>   Oh.. spiffy, thanks, Erik :)  I have a follow-up question. Two, 
> actually. What do MSB and LSB stand for? And how would I choose a 
> preset in LSB>0 from an external controller? My controller allows 
> selection of banks 0-127 and patches 1-127.
> 
>   Thanks again - wish I'd found this earlier! :)
> 
> /.e
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> > Each ROm gets it's own ID, and thus bank. Select the preset you 
> want to 
> > use on that channel, and then press Audition to see the MSB and 
> LSB values 
> > for that ROM location.
> > 
> > rEalm
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "Jacob Talkington" <anomaly10@h...>
> > 11/26/2003 01:41 PM
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> > 
> > 
> >   I'm using Orion Platinum to cue sounds from the XL-7 (with 
World 
> > Expedition and Sied. Orchestral ROMS installed), and the MIDI 
out 
> is 
> > experiencing some weirdness when trying to access the sounds. 
> > Theoretically, I would have assumed that Bank 1, Preset 1 would 
> call 
> > for User 1/1, which it does. However, to get the XL, World Exp, 
or 
> > Orchestral ROMS, I have to choose 9, 14, and 66 respectively. 
What 
> > the hell?
> > 
> > Any ideas on why it's laid out this way?
> > 
> > /.jacob
> > 
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Re: [xl7] Re: Midi assigning weirdness.

2003-12-02 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

If you can send bank select messages, you can send MSB/LSB values too 
(same thing, different name from what I understand).  As for the 
implementation, I honestly have no idea.  I'm guessing Steve can help us 
out here?  Anyone know what the bank selects are for the various ROMs?

rEalm






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  Using Orion Platinum 5 to control it. It's a fairly simple midi-
out plugin, and I'm hoping it's not so simple that I can control 
this parameter :)

/.e

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> MSB - Most Significant Bit
> LSB - Least Significant Bit
> 
> What external controller are you using?  There should be something 
in it's 
> manual about how to send this info.
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Jacob Talkington" <anomaly10@h...>
> 12/01/2003 01:42 PM
> Please respond to xl7
> 
> 
>         To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
>         cc: 
>         Subject:        [xl7] Re: Midi assigning weirdness.
> 
> 
>   Oh.. spiffy, thanks, Erik :)  I have a follow-up question. Two, 
> actually. What do MSB and LSB stand for? And how would I choose a 
> preset in LSB>0 from an external controller? My controller allows 
> selection of banks 0-127 and patches 1-127.
> 
>   Thanks again - wish I'd found this earlier! :)
> 
> /.e
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> > Each ROm gets it's own ID, and thus bank. Select the preset you 
> want to 
> > use on that channel, and then press Audition to see the MSB and 
> LSB values 
> > for that ROM location.
> > 
> > rEalm
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "Jacob Talkington" <anomaly10@h...>
> > 11/26/2003 01:41 PM
> > Please respond to xl7
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> >         To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
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> >         Subject:        [xl7] Midi assigning weirdness.
> > 
> > 
> >   I'm using Orion Platinum to cue sounds from the XL-7 (with 
World 
> > Expedition and Sied. Orchestral ROMS installed), and the MIDI 
out 
> is 
> > experiencing some weirdness when trying to access the sounds. 
> > Theoretically, I would have assumed that Bank 1, Preset 1 would 
> call 
> > for User 1/1, which it does. However, to get the XL, World Exp, 
or 
> > Orchestral ROMS, I have to choose 9, 14, and 66 respectively. 
What 
> > the hell?
> > 
> > Any ideas on why it's laid out this way?
> > 
> > /.jacob
> > 
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Re: [xl7] Re: Midi assigning weirdness.

2003-12-02 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

I should add, that in Cubase, you just go to the Key Editor and select 
either MSB or LSB from the drop dwon menu in the controller display, and 
then draw in the number you want.  Maybe Orion has something similar to 
this too?

rEalm





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  Using Orion Platinum 5 to control it. It's a fairly simple midi-
out plugin, and I'm hoping it's not so simple that I can control 
this parameter :)

/.e

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> MSB - Most Significant Bit
> LSB - Least Significant Bit
> 
> What external controller are you using?  There should be something 
in it's 
> manual about how to send this info.
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Jacob Talkington" <anomaly10@h...>
> 12/01/2003 01:42 PM
> Please respond to xl7
> 
> 
>         To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
>         cc: 
>         Subject:        [xl7] Re: Midi assigning weirdness.
> 
> 
>   Oh.. spiffy, thanks, Erik :)  I have a follow-up question. Two, 
> actually. What do MSB and LSB stand for? And how would I choose a 
> preset in LSB>0 from an external controller? My controller allows 
> selection of banks 0-127 and patches 1-127.
> 
>   Thanks again - wish I'd found this earlier! :)
> 
> /.e
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> > Each ROm gets it's own ID, and thus bank. Select the preset you 
> want to 
> > use on that channel, and then press Audition to see the MSB and 
> LSB values 
> > for that ROM location.
> > 
> > rEalm
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "Jacob Talkington" <anomaly10@h...>
> > 11/26/2003 01:41 PM
> > Please respond to xl7
> > 
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> >         To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
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> >         Subject:        [xl7] Midi assigning weirdness.
> > 
> > 
> >   I'm using Orion Platinum to cue sounds from the XL-7 (with 
World 
> > Expedition and Sied. Orchestral ROMS installed), and the MIDI 
out 
> is 
> > experiencing some weirdness when trying to access the sounds. 
> > Theoretically, I would have assumed that Bank 1, Preset 1 would 
> call 
> > for User 1/1, which it does. However, to get the XL, World Exp, 
or 
> > Orchestral ROMS, I have to choose 9, 14, and 66 respectively. 
What 
> > the hell?
> > 
> > Any ideas on why it's laid out this way?
> > 
> > /.jacob
> > 
> > 
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Re: Midi assigning weirdness.

2003-12-02 by Jacob Talkington

Ooh, may be, going to go check here. It does have 4 "assignable" 
knobs, but I haven't even really experimented with those. Thanks for 
the juicy info! :)

/.e

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> I should add, that in Cubase, you just go to the Key Editor and 
select 
> either MSB or LSB from the drop dwon menu in the controller 
display, and 
> then draw in the number you want.  Maybe Orion has something 
similar to 
> this too?
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Jacob Talkington" <anomaly10@h...>
> 12/02/2003 08:59 AM
> Please respond to xl7
> 
>  
>         To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
>         cc: 
>         Subject:        [xl7] Re: Midi assigning weirdness.
> 
> 
>   Using Orion Platinum 5 to control it. It's a fairly simple midi-
> out plugin, and I'm hoping it's not so simple that I can control 
> this parameter :)
> 
> /.e
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> > MSB - Most Significant Bit
> > LSB - Least Significant Bit
> > 
> > What external controller are you using?  There should be 
something 
> in it's 
> > manual about how to send this info.
> > 
> > rEalm
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "Jacob Talkington" <anomaly10@h...>
> > 12/01/2003 01:42 PM
> > Please respond to xl7
> > 
> > 
> >         To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
> >         cc: 
> >         Subject:        [xl7] Re: Midi assigning weirdness.
> > 
> > 
> >   Oh.. spiffy, thanks, Erik :)  I have a follow-up question. 
Two, 
> > actually. What do MSB and LSB stand for? And how would I choose 
a 
> > preset in LSB>0 from an external controller? My controller 
allows 
> > selection of banks 0-127 and patches 1-127.
> > 
> >   Thanks again - wish I'd found this earlier! :)
> > 
> > /.e
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> > > Each ROm gets it's own ID, and thus bank. Select the preset 
you 
> > want to 
> > > use on that channel, and then press Audition to see the MSB 
and 
> > LSB values 
> > > for that ROM location.
> > > 
> > > rEalm
> > > 
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> > > 
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> > > "Jacob Talkington" <anomaly10@h...>
> > > 11/26/2003 01:41 PM
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> > >         Subject:        [xl7] Midi assigning weirdness.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   I'm using Orion Platinum to cue sounds from the XL-7 (with 
> World 
> > > Expedition and Sied. Orchestral ROMS installed), and the MIDI 
> out 
> > is 
> > > experiencing some weirdness when trying to access the sounds. 
> > > Theoretically, I would have assumed that Bank 1, Preset 1 
would 
> > call 
> > > for User 1/1, which it does. However, to get the XL, World 
Exp, 
> or 
> > > Orchestral ROMS, I have to choose 9, 14, and 66 respectively. 
> What 
> > > the hell?
> > > 
> > > Any ideas on why it's laid out this way?
> > > 
> > > /.jacob
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Re: Midi assigning weirdness.

2003-12-02 by robotchas

MSB and LSB are actually Most and Least Significant BYTE, I believe.

One of them is CC #0, the other is CC#32. I forget which is which, 
but I believe MSB is 0 and LSB is 32. Incidentally, CC's 32-63 just 
repeat CC's 0-31 in the standard MIDI spec, so synths with better 
than 7-bit (0-127) resolution can use the higher CC's for "fine 
control": CC#39 will give you finer increments of volume, #42 finer 
increments of pan, and so forth. Using both bytes gets you up to 
16,384 values (128 MSB x 128 LSB), much better than standard MIDI, 
but I don't think many synths take advantage of this.

Here endeth the trivia tangent.

As for ROM banks, I couldn't tell you offhand, but I know the info is 
around somewhere...Aaron?

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> If you can send bank select messages, you can send MSB/LSB values 
too 
> (same thing, different name from what I understand).  As for the 
> implementation, I honestly have no idea.  I'm guessing Steve can 
help us 
> out here?  Anyone know what the bank selects are for the various 
ROMs?
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Jacob Talkington" <anomaly10@h...>
> 12/02/2003 08:59 AM
> Please respond to xl7
> 
>  
>         To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
>         cc: 
>         Subject:        [xl7] Re: Midi assigning weirdness.
> 
> 
>   Using Orion Platinum 5 to control it. It's a fairly simple midi-
> out plugin, and I'm hoping it's not so simple that I can control 
> this parameter :)
> 
> /.e
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> > MSB - Most Significant Bit
> > LSB - Least Significant Bit
> > 
> > What external controller are you using?  There should be 
something 
> in it's 
> > manual about how to send this info.
> > 
> > rEalm
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "Jacob Talkington" <anomaly10@h...>
> > 12/01/2003 01:42 PM
> > Please respond to xl7
> > 
> > 
> >         To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
> >         cc: 
> >         Subject:        [xl7] Re: Midi assigning weirdness.
> > 
> > 
> >   Oh.. spiffy, thanks, Erik :)  I have a follow-up question. Two, 
> > actually. What do MSB and LSB stand for? And how would I choose a 
> > preset in LSB>0 from an external controller? My controller allows 
> > selection of banks 0-127 and patches 1-127.
> > 
> >   Thanks again - wish I'd found this earlier! :)
> > 
> > /.e
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> > > Each ROm gets it's own ID, and thus bank. Select the preset you 
> > want to 
> > > use on that channel, and then press Audition to see the MSB and 
> > LSB values 
> > > for that ROM location.
> > > 
> > > rEalm
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "Jacob Talkington" <anomaly10@h...>
> > > 11/26/2003 01:41 PM
> > > Please respond to xl7
> > > 
> > > 
> > >         To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
> > >         cc: 
> > >         Subject:        [xl7] Midi assigning weirdness.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   I'm using Orion Platinum to cue sounds from the XL-7 (with 
> World 
> > > Expedition and Sied. Orchestral ROMS installed), and the MIDI 
> out 
> > is 
> > > experiencing some weirdness when trying to access the sounds. 
> > > Theoretically, I would have assumed that Bank 1, Preset 1 would 
> > call 
> > > for User 1/1, which it does. However, to get the XL, World Exp, 
> or 
> > > Orchestral ROMS, I have to choose 9, 14, and 66 respectively. 
> What 
> > > the hell?
> > > 
> > > Any ideas on why it's laid out this way?
> > > 
> > > /.jacob
> > > 
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LSB/MSB & Bank Switching - part 1: bits and bytes

2003-12-03 by steve_the_composer

> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> If you can send bank select messages, you can send MSB/LSB values
> too (same thing, different name from what I understand).  As for
> the implementation, I honestly have no idea.  I'm guessing Steve
> can  help us out here?  Anyone know what the bank selects are for
> the various ROMs?

Thanks for the opportunity to feel useful again.  (At least I hope 
this is useful.)  I will back up quite a bit to get everyone on board 
who wants to be on board.  Apologies to those who know this and/or 
have no use for this.

It is OK to skip to part 2.  It should stand on its own.

BTW: robotchas is right. B=Byte. (Bit = Binary Digit, that is 1 or 0)

=====================================================================
PREVIEW:
I.  LSB/MSB
   A. Basics of Bits, Bytes and Hexidecimal numbers
   B. MIDI numbers: commands and data
   C. THE BOTTOM LINE (see part 2: Selecting E-MU presets)
=====================================================================
I.  LSB/MSB
   A. Basics of Bits, Bytes and Hexidecimal numbers

A byte is a number represented by 8 bits.

0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0   = 00 in hexidecimal (base 16) and decimal (base 10)
0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1   = 7F in hex; 127 in decimal

1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0   = 80h 128d
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1   = FFh 255d
--the highest number that can be represented by an 8-bit byte is 255.

256 = 2 hundreds + 5 tens + 6 ones or
2 x 10^2 (2 x 10x10) + 
5 x 10^1 (5 x 10) +
6 x 10^0 (6 x 1)

1001b = 09h 09d  (BTW, 1/2 byte = nybble)
1 x 2^3 (1 x 2x2x2) = 08
0 x 2^2 (0 x 2x2) = 00
0 x 2^1 (0 x 2) = 00
1 x 2^0 (1 x 1) = 1
--the highest number that can be represented by an 4-bit nybble is 15 
(0Fh)

HEX: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F

=====================================================================
   B. MIDI numbers: commands and data

MIDI commands are 80h - FFh (128-255)
80 -> 8F signify note-off commands
--here, the 8 is the most significant NYBBLE (MSN)
--the least significant NYBBLE (LSN) represents the midi channel [- 1]
--the most significant NYBBLE (MSN) represents the command

90 -> 9F signify note-on commands

Since 80 - FF are commands, data can only go from 00 to 7F.
Hence, 127 is the highest value of a MIDI data byte.

92  40  7F  tells anyone receiving MIDI data the following:

9 (MSN)   "HEY, listen up! [80 or higher] a note-on is coming!"
2 (LSN)   "It's on channel 3"

40 = the note number (in theory note numbers can go from 00-7F)
7f = velocity

For On/Off MIDI commands 00-3f = off, 40-7f = 0n.  Hence if you have 
a sequence whose note on values are all 64 (40h), it was made on a 
non-velocity sensitive synth. 

PRESET CHANGE STUFF:

C0 -> CF signify program/patch/preset change (1 data byte follows)
CA 20 tells the MIDI chain:
"HEY, change the patch on channel 11 to patch[preset] 32!"
--20h = 2 x 16 = 32
--20h = C-1 on a synth that goes from A-1 to H-8
--20h = 3-0 on a synth that goes from 1-1 to 8-8

Thus, with Program/Patch/Preset Change commands, you can only select 
128 presets (from 00->7F, 0-127).
=====================================================================
   C. THE BOTTOM LINE (see part 2: Selecting E-MU presets)

LSB/MSB & Bank Switching - part 2: Selecting E-Mu Presets

2003-12-03 by steve_the_composer

In MIDI, you can only have patch/preset change command values from 0 
to 127.  In the days when most synths [aka music-producing computers]
had 128 presets or less, no one needed to do any bank switching.

Bank switch commands tell MIDI devices which set (or bank) of 
programs/patches/presets to use.

Expanding on robotchas's explanation, CC#0 contains the MSB for the 
Bank Select Command, CC#32 (decimal) contains the LSB for the Bank 
Select Command.

Data for each CC [Control Change command] can go from 0 to 127.  So 
with 2 CC locations (that is, MSB - LSB) you can have values from 0 
to 16383 (128 x 128 banks). With 128 presets, MIDI can theoretically 
select from 2,097,152 presets using bank switching (128 x 128 x 128--
if I did the math right).  

E-Mu ROMS [and USER RAM] are identified by logical addresses.  In 
essence, the address of each ROM bank is the MSB/LSB number which can 
be selected via CC#0 and CC#32.

In short,  MSB = ROM ID,  LSB = Bank number within each ROM [or user 
ROM]. 

That is why the display says: >> Bank << MSB and LSB when you press 
audititon.

If the E-Mu display says the following:

Bank  MSB:066 LSB:1  012^1
[note: numbers here are decimal, not hex]

it is telling you:

"Hey, if you want your sequencer to select the current patch, put 66 
in CC#0 and 1 in CC#32 and then send a preset change command value of 
12."

User RAM has an MSB of 00.

Multisetups can be selected via Bank Switching using an MSB of 80 
(decimal).  WARNING: IF YOU HAVE ALTERED YOUR CURRENT MULTISETUP BUT 
HAVE NOT SAVED IT, SAVE IT FIRST IF YOU DON'T WANT TO LOSE IT.
>>> See archives for more on bank switching of multisetups. <<<

==============================================
Footnotes:
Since each ROM has its own address [MSB], the order of ROMS in slots 
0 -> 3 doesn't matter to the E-Mu's User Interface.

I am familiar with Bank Switching in Cakewalk, so I can't tell anyone 
how to do it in Cubase or other software.
==============================================
Hope this helps someone.

Apologies for any errors, oversights, omissions, etc.

Re: [xl7] LSB/MSB & Bank Switching - part 2: Selecting E-Mu Presets

2003-12-03 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

You rock man, well said!  Thanks for all your time on this!

rEalm





steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>
12/03/2003 09:27 AM
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E-Mu Presets


In MIDI, you can only have patch/preset change command values from 0 
to 127.  In the days when most synths [aka music-producing computers]
had 128 presets or less, no one needed to do any bank switching.

Bank switch commands tell MIDI devices which set (or bank) of 
programs/patches/presets to use.

Expanding on robotchas's explanation, CC#0 contains the MSB for the 
Bank Select Command, CC#32 (decimal) contains the LSB for the Bank 
Select Command.

Data for each CC [Control Change command] can go from 0 to 127.  So 
with 2 CC locations (that is, MSB - LSB) you can have values from 0 
to 16383 (128 x 128 banks). With 128 presets, MIDI can theoretically 
select from 2,097,152 presets using bank switching (128 x 128 x 128--
if I did the math right). 

E-Mu ROMS [and USER RAM] are identified by logical addresses.  In 
essence, the address of each ROM bank is the MSB/LSB number which can 
be selected via CC#0 and CC#32.

In short,  MSB = ROM ID,  LSB = Bank number within each ROM [or user 
ROM]. 

That is why the display says: >> Bank << MSB and LSB when you press 
audititon.

If the E-Mu display says the following:

Bank  MSB:066 LSB:1  012^1
[note: numbers here are decimal, not hex]

it is telling you:

"Hey, if you want your sequencer to select the current patch, put 66 
in CC#0 and 1 in CC#32 and then send a preset change command value of 
12."

User RAM has an MSB of 00.

Multisetups can be selected via Bank Switching using an MSB of 80 
(decimal).  WARNING: IF YOU HAVE ALTERED YOUR CURRENT MULTISETUP BUT 
HAVE NOT SAVED IT, SAVE IT FIRST IF YOU DON'T WANT TO LOSE IT.
>>> See archives for more on bank switching of multisetups. <<<

==============================================
Footnotes:
Since each ROM has its own address [MSB], the order of ROMS in slots 
0 -> 3 doesn't matter to the E-Mu's User Interface.

I am familiar with Bank Switching in Cakewalk, so I can't tell anyone 
how to do it in Cubase or other software.
==============================================
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Re: LSB/MSB & Bank Switching - part 2: Selecting E-Mu Presets

2003-12-03 by Jacob Talkington

Holy.. could I come to you for regular everyday problems? That has 
to be the best-written full explaination I've ever found on a 
community board on the subject of MIDI. Thank you! :)

/.e

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
wrote:
> In MIDI, you can only have patch/preset change command values from 
0 
> to 127.  In the days when most synths [aka music-producing 
computers]
> had 128 presets or less, no one needed to do any bank switching.
> 
> Bank switch commands tell MIDI devices which set (or bank) of 
> programs/patches/presets to use.
> 
> Expanding on robotchas's explanation, CC#0 contains the MSB for 
the 
> Bank Select Command, CC#32 (decimal) contains the LSB for the Bank 
> Select Command.
> 
> Data for each CC [Control Change command] can go from 0 to 127.  
So 
> with 2 CC locations (that is, MSB - LSB) you can have values from 
0 
> to 16383 (128 x 128 banks). With 128 presets, MIDI can 
theoretically 
> select from 2,097,152 presets using bank switching (128 x 128 x 
128--
> if I did the math right).  
> 
> E-Mu ROMS [and USER RAM] are identified by logical addresses.  In 
> essence, the address of each ROM bank is the MSB/LSB number which 
can 
> be selected via CC#0 and CC#32.
> 
> In short,  MSB = ROM ID,  LSB = Bank number within each ROM [or 
user 
> ROM]. 
> 
> That is why the display says: >> Bank << MSB and LSB when you 
press 
> audititon.
> 
> If the E-Mu display says the following:
> 
> Bank  MSB:066 LSB:1  012^1
> [note: numbers here are decimal, not hex]
> 
> it is telling you:
> 
> "Hey, if you want your sequencer to select the current patch, put 
66 
> in CC#0 and 1 in CC#32 and then send a preset change command value 
of 
> 12."
> 
> User RAM has an MSB of 00.
> 
> Multisetups can be selected via Bank Switching using an MSB of 80 
> (decimal).  WARNING: IF YOU HAVE ALTERED YOUR CURRENT MULTISETUP 
BUT 
> HAVE NOT SAVED IT, SAVE IT FIRST IF YOU DON'T WANT TO LOSE IT.
> >>> See archives for more on bank switching of multisetups. <<<
> 
> ==============================================
> Footnotes:
> Since each ROM has its own address [MSB], the order of ROMS in 
slots 
> 0 -> 3 doesn't matter to the E-Mu's User Interface.
> 
> I am familiar with Bank Switching in Cakewalk, so I can't tell 
anyone 
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> 
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