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do any of them generate midi CC data? for example would lfo > 
keysustain send midi CC 64 would sine wave > midi controller P output a 
controller stream for an external synth?

Wishful thinking probably
Mike

was wondering the same thing. i hope we get an answer!!

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "mike_melon" <mike_melon@y...> wrote:
> do any of them generate midi CC data? for example would lfo > 
> keysustain send midi CC 64 would sine wave > midi controller P 
output a 

> controller stream for an external synth?
> 
> Wishful thinking probably
> Mike

They indeed do : I used to have my XL-7 to control my PC based 
Emulator X, and it's very fine. (though I'm using a BCR-2000 now).
Set the CC data for the knobs in the setup you want, and voila.
the best thing is to creat a "MIDI" setup to load quickly so you can 
discard it when you do not need it.

Piaz

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:

> was wondering the same thing. i hope we get an answer!!
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "mike_melon" <mike_melon@y...> wrote:
> > do any of them generate midi CC data? for example would lfo > 
> > keysustain send midi CC 64 would sine wave > midi controller P 
> output a 
> > controller stream for an external synth?
> > 
> > Wishful thinking probably
> > Mike

(1) Several thoughts on this most worthwhile thread.

Think of the command stations/P2500 in terms of separate but 
interrelated systems, especially (as concerns the original question):
--(a) the sequencer
--(b) the synth engine
--(c) the controllers

I could be wrong, but the synth engine system [which 
include "patchcords"] cannot output midi data. The sequencer and 
controllers can.

Even though each preset has settings for arps and riffs, those are 
really sequencing functions.

When you use the knobs (for example) to send CC data to external 
gear, you are using the knobs as controllers. The synth engine and 
the sequencer can also do stuff with the knobs, but that doesn't 
mean that the patchcords can be used to take synth engine 
functionality and generate a stream of midi data.

I agree with the original post--it is wishful thinking to be able to 
use an lfo [synth engine function] to generate midi data, such as 
CCs.

The thought is so compelling, I would love to find a work around to 
trick the CS/P2500 into doing that. 

(2) Don't forget, you can embed sysex commands (with external 
software) into patterns.  As I wrote previously, you can--for 
example--embed sysex commands that change the CC assignments for all 
16 knobs.

One application is that if you create a song by chaining together 
patterns and manipulate the knobs on the fly in a performance, each 
section [pattern] can have the knobs do different things.

yeah i always did like the idea of that. but i have only figured out 
triggering it by buttons. i've tried looking for that post but i get no 
replies. seems  you've all grown tired of me again :)

im gonna have to filme that  gate problem to protect my innocence lol


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> wrote:

> 
> (2) Don't forget, you can embed sysex commands (with external 
> software) into patterns.  As I wrote previously, you can--for 
> example--embed sysex commands that change the CC assignments for all 
> 16 knobs.
> 
> One application is that if you create a song by chaining together 
> patterns and manipulate the knobs on the fly in a performance, each 
> section [pattern] can have the knobs do different things.

Hello Steve,

You got my point exactly. The potential to male 'midi' patches to 
modulate other gear would have been brilliant- tempo synced random 
lfo's, velocity switched envelope sweeps etc. I imagine the strain on 
the processor would have been too much for practical implementation.

There must be some workarounds using third party devices. The clever 
folks at Midi Solutions have designed a box to process midi. It is 
like a tiny hardware version of Midiox programmed via sysex and 
powered via the midiline. 

http://www.midisolutions.com/prodepp.htm

This box can do every midi msg manipulation imaginable! For instance 
i'm sure it could remap arpegiator notes to midi controllers in real 
time allowing us to harness the power of the arp at least.

Incidentally I intend to buy one to simply remap the  quick 
programming knobs A-P to CC's of my choice for ease of recording into 
patterns. This overcomes the gaps in the controller destinations 
allowed.

I also have a Peavey PC1600x. This fader box contains 2 CV > midi 
convertors so I am wondering if I routed a bright, loud patch via sub 
outs into one of these, if I could capture the fancy note retriggers. 

I really love this machine (MP-7)!

Mike

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "mike_melon" <mike_melon@y...> wrote:

> You got my point exactly. The potential to male 'midi' patches to 
> modulate other gear would have been brilliant- tempo synced random 
> lfo's, velocity switched envelope sweeps etc. I imagine the strain
> on the processor would have been too much for practical
> implementation.

[snip]

> Incidentally I intend to buy one [Midi Solutions box] to simply
> remap the  quick programming knobs A-P to CC's of my choice for
> ease of recording into patterns. This overcomes the gaps in the
> controller destinations allowed.

I assume you know:
(1) you can program the controller destinations for the knobs from 
CC = 1 -> 119
(2) when you save a multiseup, the controller destinations are saved.

I am curious to know what gaps you might want a workaround for.

> I also have a Peavey PC1600x. This fader box contains 2 CV > midi 
> convertors so I am wondering if I routed a bright, loud patch via
> sub outs into one of these, if I could capture the fancy note
> retriggers. 

I haven't done anything with CV and triggers since working with the 
original Moog. 

> I really love this machine (MP-7)!

I am partial to E-Mu; I have the P2500 and really like the 
felibility the design provides. Raised on the Moog, I 
love "patchcords." The take me back to my synth roots. 

If you want to embed a small sysex to change controllers (or 
anything else for that matter), check out:

(1) http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/16542
(2) Files | Controller Midi File (for a demo file that will change 
controller settings.

If you run the file, I suggest you save your current settings in a 
multisetup first.

I used cakewalk software to create the file and e-loader to put it 
into my e-mu.

--Steve

Just checking to confirm what I already think I know is true - the
Command Station Track Enable/Mute Buttons cannot send out MIDI data -
is this correct?

I need something that does (send Mute/Unmute commands) if anyone has
any recommendations....

I concur this is a great axe - I have been using it live with my band
lately - it is so cool that I have been planning for what to do when
it is time to replace it

anyone ever worked with the AKAI boxes?


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> wrote:

> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "mike_melon" <mike_melon@y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Incidentally I intend to buy one [Midi Solutions box] to simply
> > remap the  quick programming knobs A-P to CC's of my choice for
> > ease of recording into patterns. This overcomes the gaps in the
> > controller destinations allowed.
> 
> I assume you know:
> (1) you can program the controller destinations for the knobs from 
> CC = 1 -> 119
> (2) when you save a multiseup, the controller destinations are saved.
> 
> I am curious to know what gaps you might want a workaround for.

I know that the trigger button can take place of the button track enable / mute by assigning them to the same canal ( i know it is possible in fruityloops by checking the canal enable to mute the track and select it like to the same canal in your command station ). But i don't know if it's possible with a hardware product ( perhaps by selecting the omni reception midi in your module but it may create others problems ).

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> I assume you know:
> (1) you can program the controller destinations for the knobs from 
> CC = 1 -> 119
> (2) when you save a multiseup, the controller destinations are saved.
> 
> I am curious to know what gaps you might want a workaround for.
> 

Well I thought the programmable knobs could not be recorded in the 
sequencer. Perhaps I've got this wrong.

The quick edit knobs record fine but are limited to CC 1>31 then 64>95.

If I want to sequence tone changes on my novation drumstation I need 
some controllers located after 31 and before 64 and also some above 119.

Mike

yeah you can use it to trigger hardware if you have it setup right.
sometimes it may mean using additionnal hardware/software to make it 
happen tho.

for instance i'm using midi ox to recieve note on messages from the 
trigger button to send info back to the mp-7 to change multisetups.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, BEAUFILS Adrien <fatalojyxvsfacial@y...> 
wrote:
> 
> I know that the trigger button can take place of the button track 
enable / mute by assigning them to the same canal ( i know it is 
possible in fruityloops by checking the canal enable to mute the 
track and select it like to the same canal in your command 
station ). But i don't know if it's possible with a hardware product 
( perhaps by selecting the omni reception midi in your module but it 
may create others problems ).
> 
> Bye
> 
> 
> 		
> ---------------------------------
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>  Téléchargez le ici !  
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I am in the CONTROLLERS menu >Trigger Buttons Function>Play Note
Events>(go to next page)TRIGGERS - Note# - Vel amount - Ch# -
Destination (int-ext-both-seq)...but I see no MIDI data flowing from
the XL7...and noting rec'd either....

request furter input, if anyone knows

thanks!

Ed

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:

> yeah you can use it to trigger hardware if you have it setup right.
> sometimes it may mean using additionnal hardware/software to make it 
> happen tho.
> 
> for instance i'm using midi ox to recieve note on messages from the 
> trigger button to send info back to the mp-7 to change multisetups.
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, BEAUFILS Adrien <fatalojyxvsfacial@y...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > I know that the trigger button can take place of the button track 
> enable / mute by assigning them to the same canal ( i know it is 
> possible in fruityloops by checking the canal enable to mute the 
> track and select it like to the same canal in your command

ok so you have midi plugs connected to outputs a and b? also do you 
have the xl set to triggers or track enable. do you have the 
triggers set to estenal?

you pretty much stated all that there should be to it in your 
message but nothing that really told me about how your xl is setup
(in that menu)



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "vibesart" <edmann@p...> wrote:
> I am in the CONTROLLERS menu >Trigger Buttons Function>Play Note
> Events>(go to next page)TRIGGERS - Note# - Vel amount - Ch# -
> Destination (int-ext-both-seq)...but I see no MIDI data flowing 
from
> the XL7...and noting rec'd either....
> 
> request furter input, if anyone knows
> 
> thanks!
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > yeah you can use it to trigger hardware if you have it setup 
right.
> > sometimes it may mean using additionnal hardware/software to 
make it 
> > happen tho.
> > 
> > for instance i'm using midi ox to recieve note on messages from 
the 
> > trigger button to send info back to the mp-7 to change 
multisetups.
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, BEAUFILS Adrien 
<fatalojyxvsfacial@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > I know that the trigger button can take place of the button 
track 

> > enable / mute by assigning them to the same canal ( i know it is 
> > possible in fruityloops by checking the canal enable to mute the 
> > track and select it like to the same canal in your command

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:

>also do you 
> have the xl set to triggers or track enable.

THAT'S IT! MIDI is now being transmitted and rec'd!

>do you have the 
> triggers set to estenal?

**in this example yes - external

Thank You Malik

EM

> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "vibesart" <edmann@p...> wrote:
> > I am in the CONTROLLERS menu >Trigger Buttons Function>Play Note
> > Events>(go to next page)TRIGGERS - Note# - Vel amount - Ch# -
> > Destination (int-ext-both-seq)...but I see no MIDI data flowing 
> from
> > the XL7...and noting rec'd either....
> > 
> > request furter input, if anyone knows
> > 
> > thanks!
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > > yeah you can use it to trigger hardware if you have it setup 
> right.
> > > sometimes it may mean using additionnal hardware/software to 
> make it 
> > > happen tho.
> > > 
> > > for instance i'm using midi ox to recieve note on messages from 
> the 
> > > trigger button to send info back to the mp-7 to change 
> multisetups.
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, BEAUFILS Adrien 
> <fatalojyxvsfacial@y...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > I know that the trigger button can take place of the button 
> track 
> > > enable / mute by assigning them to the same canal ( i know it is 
> > > possible in fruityloops by checking the canal enable to mute the 
> > > track and select it like to the same canal in your command

My P2500 (OS2.0) is off now, but I believe I can record the full 
span of CC data into the sequencer.  If I remember correctly the 
programmable knob control settings have several destinations--int, 
ext, both, and seq. I think its described in one of the OS addendums 
and the latest pdf that covers OS2.0 systems. Also, check out the 
flow diagrams for routings between the various sub-systems 
[controllers, sequencer, synth engine, and external midi].

Hope I remember correctly and if so, hope this helps.

--Steve   

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "mike_melon" <mike_melon@y...> wrote:
> > I assume you know:
> > (1) you can program the controller destinations for the knobs 
from 
> > CC = 1 -> 119
> > (2) when you save a multiseup, the controller destinations are 
saved.
> > 
> > I am curious to know what gaps you might want a workaround for.
> > 
> 
> Well I thought the programmable knobs could not be recorded in the 
> sequencer. Perhaps I've got this wrong.
> 
> The quick edit knobs record fine but are limited to CC 1>31 then 
64>95.
> 
> If I want to sequence tone changes on my novation drumstation I 
need 
> some controllers located after 31 and before 64 and also some 
above 119.
> 
> Mike

Hi

> anyone ever worked with the AKAI boxes?

MPC2000XL

Gonz

apart from sampling and all that stuff wich one do you like better?(mpc 
or command station)

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "gonzinigonz" <gonzini@f...> wrote:

> Hi
> 
> > anyone ever worked with the AKAI boxes?
> 
> MPC2000XL
> 
> Gonz

Like them both for there strengths..
MPC sounds fantastic, the timing is rock solid the thing pumps away.
Crap interface though, it really gets in the way for me.
Command station is a lot more hands on and creative i believe. Guess 
you have alot more to hand with the synth and stuff. The real time 
controllers are something that the akai cant touch. 
At the moment its the command station for me. If i want to sample l'll 
dig out the S3000XL
I found that the MPC2000XL would crash alot, even seem to corrupt its 
own data. Ive had the command station do odd things at times but i seem 
to get more done with it. 
just my 2 cents
Gonz


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> apart from sampling and all that stuff wich one do you like better?
(mpc 

> or command station)
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "gonzinigonz" <gonzini@f...> wrote:
> > Hi
> > 
> > > anyone ever worked with the AKAI boxes?
> > 
> > MPC2000XL
> > 
> > Gonz

Like them both for there strengths..
MPC sounds fantastic, the timing is rock solid the thing pumps away.
Crap interface though, it really gets in the way for me.
Command station is a lot more hands on and creative i believe. Guess 
you have alot more to hand with the synth and stuff. The real time 
controllers are something that the akai cant touch. 
At the moment its the command station for me. If i want to sample l'll 
dig out the S3000XL
I found that the MPC2000XL would crash alot, even seem to corrupt its 
own data. Ive had the command station do odd things at times but i seem 
to get more done with it. 
just my 2 cents
Gonz


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> apart from sampling and all that stuff wich one do you like better?
(mpc 

> or command station)
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "gonzinigonz" <gonzini@f...> wrote:
> > Hi
> > 
> > > anyone ever worked with the AKAI boxes?
> > 
> > MPC2000XL
> > 
> > Gonz

kinda what i expected just a bit worse!! damn im glad i made the 
right choice!!

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "gonzinigonz" <gonzini@f...> wrote:
> Like them both for there strengths..
> MPC sounds fantastic, the timing is rock solid the thing pumps 
away.
> Crap interface though, it really gets in the way for me.
> Command station is a lot more hands on and creative i believe. 
Guess 
> you have alot more to hand with the synth and stuff. The real time 
> controllers are something that the akai cant touch. 
> At the moment its the command station for me. If i want to sample 
l'll 
> dig out the S3000XL
> I found that the MPC2000XL would crash alot, even seem to corrupt 
its 
> own data. Ive had the command station do odd things at times but i 
seem 
> to get more done with it. 
> just my 2 cents
> Gonz
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > apart from sampling and all that stuff wich one do you like 
better?

> (mpc 
> > or command station)
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "gonzinigonz" <gonzini@f...> wrote:
> > > Hi
> > > 
> > > > anyone ever worked with the AKAI boxes?
> > > 
> > > MPC2000XL
> > > 
> > > Gonz

shame akai didnt finish the job with the 2KXL, seems a waste of 
decent hardware.
Guess it works for a lot of people though, hiphop styles and the like.
We used to take 2 of them out live doing psy trance type stuff, that 
was a few years ago now..
Anyway better stop taliking about akai round these parts! ;O)

Gonz



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> kinda what i expected just a bit worse!! damn im glad i made the 
> right choice!!
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "gonzinigonz" <gonzini@f...> wrote:
> > Like them both for there strengths..
> > MPC sounds fantastic, the timing is rock solid the thing pumps 
> away.
> > Crap interface though, it really gets in the way for me.
> > Command station is a lot more hands on and creative i believe. 
> Guess 
> > you have alot more to hand with the synth and stuff. The real 
time 
> > controllers are something that the akai cant touch. 
> > At the moment its the command station for me. If i want to sample 
> l'll 
> > dig out the S3000XL
> > I found that the MPC2000XL would crash alot, even seem to corrupt 
> its 
> > own data. Ive had the command station do odd things at times but 
i 

> seem 
> > to get more done with it. 
> > just my 2 cents
> > Gonz
> > 
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > > apart from sampling and all that stuff wich one do you like 
> better?
> > (mpc 
> > > or command station)
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "gonzinigonz" <gonzini@f...> wrote:
> > > > Hi
> > > > 
> > > > > anyone ever worked with the AKAI boxes?
> > > > 
> > > > MPC2000XL
> > > > 
> > > > Gonz