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I have the Emu XL-7 and using Sonar 5.. Why is it, when I load a midi file that is a preset  Sonar seperates all the drums and synths midi channels.. But when I make my own song it creates one midi file is it the whole Type 1 and 0 thing can someone explain to me this process... And How do I create a song that seperates each an everything track to it's own Midi track ( track 1 to Midi 1, and so on)..
   
  Thanks 
  Shane


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I have not done this in a while but cakewalk used to have a macro built in to seperate midi by channel, I believe there is an edit feature in sonar that now can do this...I'm pretty sure your definitive answer lies in Sonar itself and not xl7....hope this helps

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From: Shane <lvrshn@...> 
I have the Emu XL-7 and using Sonar 5.. Why is it, when I load a midi file that is a preset Sonar seperates all the drums and synths midi channels.. But when I make my own song it creates one midi file is it the whole Type 1 and 0 thing can someone explain to me this process... And How do I create a song that seperates each an everything track to it's own Midi track ( track 1 to Midi 1, and so on)..

Thanks 
Shane

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it gives wings to the mind, a soul to the universe 
flight to the imagination, a charm to sadness 
a life to everything, 
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Read the FAQ, but generally you need to save as midi type 1 to enable the 
tracks.

On Thursday 07 September 2006 01:24, heyrag@... wrote:
> I have not done this in a while but cakewalk used to have a macro built in
> to seperate midi by channel, I believe there is an edit feature in sonar
> that now can do this...I'm pretty sure your definitive answer lies in Sonar
> itself and not xl7....hope this helps
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> From: Shane <lvrshn@...>
> I have the Emu XL-7 and using Sonar 5.. Why is it, when I load a midi file
> that is a preset Sonar seperates all the drums and synths midi channels..
> But when I make my own song it creates one midi file is it the whole Type 1
> and 0 thing can someone explain to me this process... And How do I create a
> song that seperates each an everything track to it's own Midi track ( track
> 1 to Midi 1, and so on)..
>
> Thanks
> Shane
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Read the FAQ on what? the XL-7 doesn't say anything about what type of midi you can save?? and Sonar I'm not saving a midi file I'm transporting

Andre Lewis <andrel@...> wrote:          Read the FAQ, but generally you need to save as midi type 1 to enable the 
tracks.

On Thursday 07 September 2006 01:24, heyrag@... wrote:
> I have not done this in a while but cakewalk used to have a macro built in
> to seperate midi by channel, I believe there is an edit feature in sonar
> that now can do this...I'm pretty sure your definitive answer lies in Sonar
> itself and not xl7....hope this helps
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Shane <lvrshn@...>
> I have the Emu XL-7 and using Sonar 5.. Why is it, when I load a midi file
> that is a preset Sonar seperates all the drums and synths midi channels..
> But when I make my own song it creates one midi file is it the whole Type 1
> and 0 thing can someone explain to me this process... And How do I create a
> song that seperates each an everything track to it's own Midi track ( track
> 1 to Midi 1, and so on)..
>
> Thanks
> Shane
>
> Music is a moral law,
> it gives wings to the mind, a soul to the universe
> flight to the imagination, a charm to sadness
> a life to everything,
> Plato, 400 B.C
>
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Please clarify:
(1) What are you trying to do (the end result)?
(2) What does the XL-7 do that you don't want it to do?
(3) What does Sonar do that you don't want it to do?
(4) Does anything in the steps you are following do what you want? And 
if so, what?

--Steve

One of the nice features of the current Yahoo user interface is am 
improved archival search implementation. I suggest searching the 
archives for "type 0" and for "type 1". These are two separate 
searches, and be sure to include the quotation marks. That way, you 
will only get posts that contain the words "type" and "0" separated by 
a space.

Then read some of the posts. Not all will be relevant. Some might 
address your problem directly."

Hope this helps.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Shane <lvrshn@...> wrote:
>
> Read the FAQ on what? the XL-7 doesn't say anything about what type 
of midi you can save?? and Sonar I'm not saving a midi file I'm 
transporting

When you use E-Loader to transfer seq data to your PC (theres nothing 
else out there yet to do this .. is there??)it will save SONG data 
into midifile type 0, so everything into 1 track. (still events on 
there own midi channel though..)
If you say get a midi file off the net or what ever and its type 0 or 
1 it makes no differance as E-Loader will convert it to type 0 anyway 
when transfering to the XL-xx.
This is the way the XL-xx needs the midi data presented to it to use.
If you use E-Loader to transfer PATTERN data to your PC then it looks 
like it will save it as type 1, so everything thats on a differant 
midi channel will appear in its own track.
There doesent seem to be a setting in E-loader to change the type of 
midi file (0 or 1) when exporting to a PC (SONG or PATTERN)
As mentioned there should be a way of separting out the midi tracks 
in sonar to achive what you want.
I have used cubase in the past to do exactly what your trying to do.
Cubase can separate out the tracks again from a type 0 midifile.
If anything read the sonar manual on how it handles midifiles, there 
should hold your answer ;o)
Hope that helps.
Gonz 


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Shane <lvrshn@...> wrote:
>
> Read the FAQ on what? the XL-7 doesn't say anything about what type 
of midi you can save?? and Sonar I'm not saving a midi file I'm 
transporting
> 
> Andre Lewis <andrel@...> wrote:          Read the FAQ, but 
generally you need to save as midi type 1 to enable the 
> tracks.

Gonz is right.  The song mode of the XL-7 is a single multichannel track, type 0 only.  The pattern mode is up to 16 multichannel tracks, stored as type 1.  Put another way, the song mode can address 16 channels while the pattern mode could theoretically address 256 channels (16*16, but there's only 64 addressable channels in the box).

The XL-7 will automatically split out the channels from type 0 files onto the 16 tracks available in pattern mode.  In song mode, since there's only one track, it leaves them alone.  Note that if you're sending a single track type 1 file, it won't split it out, because that's not what type 1 files mean.

-Aaron

PS. in general, asking nicely might be a better approach... =)

gonzinigonz <gonzini@...> wrote: When you use E-Loader to transfer seq data to your PC (theres nothing 
else out there yet to do this .. is there??)it will save SONG data 
into midifile type 0, so everything into 1 track. (still events on 
there own midi channel though..)
If you say get a midi file off the net or what ever and its type 0 or 
1 it makes no differance as E-Loader will convert it to type 0 anyway 
when transfering to the XL-xx.
This is the way the XL-xx needs the midi data presented to it to use.
If you use E-Loader to transfer PATTERN data to your PC then it looks 
like it will save it as type 1, so everything thats on a differant 
midi channel will appear in its own track.
There doesent seem to be a setting in E-loader to change the type of 
midi file (0 or 1) when exporting to a PC (SONG or PATTERN)
As mentioned there should be a way of separting out the midi tracks 
in sonar to achive what you want.
I have used cubase in the past to do exactly what your trying to do.
Cubase can separate out the tracks again from a type 0 midifile.
If anything read the sonar manual on how it handles midifiles, there 
should hold your answer ;o)
Hope that helps.
Gonz 


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Shane  wrote:
>
> Read the FAQ on what? the XL-7 doesn't say anything about what type 
of midi you can save?? and Sonar I'm not saving a midi file I'm 
transporting
> 
> Andre Lewis  wrote:          Read the FAQ, but 
generally you need to save as midi type 1 to enable the 
> tracks.
 







 
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Thanks Gonz.. I'm doing that as of right now..

gonzinigonz <gonzini@...> wrote:          When you use E-Loader to transfer seq data to your PC (theres nothing 
else out there yet to do this .. is there??)it will save SONG data 
into midifile type 0, so everything into 1 track. (still events on 
there own midi channel though..)
If you say get a midi file off the net or what ever and its type 0 or 
1 it makes no differance as E-Loader will convert it to type 0 anyway 
when transfering to the XL-xx.
This is the way the XL-xx needs the midi data presented to it to use.
If you use E-Loader to transfer PATTERN data to your PC then it looks 
like it will save it as type 1, so everything thats on a differant 
midi channel will appear in its own track.
There doesent seem to be a setting in E-loader to change the type of 
midi file (0 or 1) when exporting to a PC (SONG or PATTERN)
As mentioned there should be a way of separting out the midi tracks 
in sonar to achive what you want.
I have used cubase in the past to do exactly what your trying to do.
Cubase can separate out the tracks again from a type 0 midifile.
If anything read the sonar manual on how it handles midifiles, there 
should hold your answer ;o)
Hope that helps.
Gonz 

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Shane <lvrshn@...> wrote:
>
> Read the FAQ on what? the XL-7 doesn't say anything about what type 
of midi you can save?? and Sonar I'm not saving a midi file I'm 
transporting
> 
> Andre Lewis <andrel@...> wrote: Read the FAQ, but 
generally you need to save as midi type 1 to enable the 
> tracks.




         


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it gives wings to the mind, a soul to the universe 
flight to the imagination, a charm to sadness 
a life to everything, 
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I'm sorry I thought I asked nicley maybe I worded some of my sentences offensive by no means I had intent to do so.. So to everyone (XL-7 usergroups) I'm sorry for sounding rude or upset I really didn't mean it.. 

Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...> wrote:          Gonz is right. The song mode of the XL-7 is a single multichannel track, type 0 only. The pattern mode is up to 16 multichannel tracks, stored as type 1. Put another way, the song mode can address 16 channels while the pattern mode could theoretically address 256 channels (16*16, but there's only 64 addressable channels in the box).

The XL-7 will automatically split out the channels from type 0 files onto the 16 tracks available in pattern mode. In song mode, since there's only one track, it leaves them alone. Note that if you're sending a single track type 1 file, it won't split it out, because that's not what type 1 files mean.

-Aaron

PS. in general, asking nicely might be a better approach... =)

gonzinigonz <gonzini@...> wrote: When you use E-Loader to transfer seq data to your PC (theres nothing 
else out there yet to do this .. is there??)it will save SONG data 
into midifile type 0, so everything into 1 track. (still events on 
there own midi channel though..)
If you say get a midi file off the net or what ever and its type 0 or 
1 it makes no differance as E-Loader will convert it to type 0 anyway 
when transfering to the XL-xx.
This is the way the XL-xx needs the midi data presented to it to use.
If you use E-Loader to transfer PATTERN data to your PC then it looks 
like it will save it as type 1, so everything thats on a differant 
midi channel will appear in its own track.
There doesent seem to be a setting in E-loader to change the type of 
midi file (0 or 1) when exporting to a PC (SONG or PATTERN)
As mentioned there should be a way of separting out the midi tracks 
in sonar to achive what you want.
I have used cubase in the past to do exactly what your trying to do.
Cubase can separate out the tracks again from a type 0 midifile.
If anything read the sonar manual on how it handles midifiles, there 
should hold your answer ;o)
Hope that helps.
Gonz 

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Shane wrote:
>
> Read the FAQ on what? the XL-7 doesn't say anything about what type 
of midi you can save?? and Sonar I'm not saving a midi file I'm 
transporting
> 
> Andre Lewis wrote: Read the FAQ, but 
generally you need to save as midi type 1 to enable the 
> tracks.


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No worries let us know how you get on..
Dont forget you only get 32 bars max when using the patterns..


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Shane <lvrshn@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Gonz.. I'm doing that as of right now..