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Re: [200e] Re: 200e in Germany

2008-08-20 by Kai Franz

HI,

what can i say. 

It is a very interesting looking System. But!

I cant use my 250 for any Harmonic Music because the quantizer do not work correct. Also my Software versions got some nasty bugs. Still wait for an down grade oder upgrade version. (i got Firm Ver.5)

225e works fine as long as you do not need harmonic pitch connection. The only way i can use my 200e for Harmonic stuff is by using the internal Midi buss of the 225e. Thats really boring :-/

210e do not work as it used to be. If you send 5v in you will not get 5v out.

Don told me he will send me some new Buttons for the very hard used ones. (still waiting for it)

Kai

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----- Original Message ----
From: kkonkkrete <kkonkkrete@yahoo.co.uk>
To: 200e@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:28:07 PM
Subject: [200e] Re: 200e in Germany



Wirklich, warum?  Ich habe gesehen Sie hatten Probleme vom Anfang an.
Sind die noch nicht Beschlossen?

Meistens schreibe ich Techno, Minimalistisch usw. aber auch
experimentell Dronemusik (ein bisschen wie Lainhart).  Von dem 250e
suche ich etwas interactives aber auch Komplexes.  Was ist Ihre Ansicht?

Es tut mir Leid, mein Deutsch ist noch furchtbar (bin Ausländer) ...

Vielen Dank fürs schneller Antwort

--- In 200e@yahoogroups. com, Kai Franz <kai200e@... > wrote:
>
> Hallo,
> 
> was erwartest Du von dem System? 
> Was möchtest Du mit dem 250e machen? 
> 
> Ich habe selber eins gekauft und bin eigentlich durch die Bank weg
enttäuscht. 
> 
> LG
> 
> Kai
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: kkonkkrete <kkonkkrete@ ...>
> To: 200e@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:12:00 PM
> Subject: [200e] 200e in Germany
> 
> 
> 
> Hi ---
> 
> I am in the process of ordering a 200e system.
> 
> I just wondered if any of you are located in Germany or Switzerland,
> and would be willing to let me try out your system for half an hour or
> so....
> 
> Cheers,
> KKonkkrete
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

    


      

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Re: [200e] Re: 200e in Germany

2008-08-20 by ezra buchla

you can still tune stuff by ear for CHROMATIC music as people have
been doing since 1963. i do this. it's actually a lot easier than with
vintage buchla or serge modules cause there's zero drift and you can
easily store and recall setttings.

i use the 200e all the time in ROCK BANDS. thiis means i have to play
in-tune music in nasty circumstances like playing after a 5-minute
line check. using vintage modulars i would be screwed. even tuning my
strings takes longer.

i also find it MUCH more satisfying to be able to actually tune my
3rds and 4ths to just intervals, controlling the beating of my chords
instead of being locked into 12tet all the time. this is just me of
course, but i think my attitude is pretty in line with the way people
have always used buchlas.

i'm not sure how interesting it really is to have a semitone
quantization out of the 250e. i've never even thought of using it.
i've actually thought of re-implementing it to be a sort of flexible
quantization for snappnig the output votlage to an arbitrary number of
bins, which would be more useful for musical parameters besides
pitch... but whatever, that's another story.

it does seem funny that the 225 note outputs aren't perfectly scaled
to 1.2 v/oct. it's because the whole voltage range actually varies
slightly from system to system, so you'll see inaccuracies looking at
the scaling of semitones going out to several decimal places over
several octaves. that's why there's an internal midi bus. you can use
the internal midi bus and still do additional transpositions and stuff
with the CV. the CV is quite accurate for 3 or 4 octaves, but
semitones over 10 octaves or something get a little weird ( a little
math with the DAC/ADC resolutions shows why this might be a hard
proposition.)

the note CV outs on the 225 are there primarily so you can use midi
note numbers to influence arbitrary musical parameters BESIDES pitch.

in short, there are many, many ways to acheive stuff that is "in tune"
on the 200e, whatever that might mean to you. it may mean a different
workflow or patching style than you're used to; but complication is an
inherent cost of flexibility.

that's my 2 cents.

-eb

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On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Kai Franz <kai200e@yahoo.com> wrote:
> HI,
>
> what can i say.
>
> It is a very interesting looking System. But!
>
> I cant use my 250 for any Harmonic Music because the quantizer do not work
> correct. Also my Software versions got some nasty bugs. Still wait for an
> down grade oder upgrade version. (i got Firm Ver.5)
>
> 225e works fine as long as you do not need harmonic pitch connection. The
> only way i can use my 200e for Harmonic stuff is by using the internal Midi
> buss of the 225e. Thats really boring :-/
>
> 210e do not work as it used to be. If you send 5v in you will not get 5v
> out.
>
> Don told me he will send me some new Buttons for the very hard used ones.
> (still waiting for it)
>
> Kai
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: kkonkkrete <kkonkkrete@yahoo.co.uk>
> To: 200e@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:28:07 PM
> Subject: [200e] Re: 200e in Germany
>
> Wirklich, warum? Ich habe gesehen Sie hatten Probleme vom Anfang an.
> Sind die noch nicht Beschlossen?
>
> Meistens schreibe ich Techno, Minimalistisch usw. aber auch
> experimentell Dronemusik (ein bisschen wie Lainhart). Von dem 250e
> suche ich etwas interactives aber auch Komplexes. Was ist Ihre Ansicht?
>
> Es tut mir Leid, mein Deutsch ist noch furchtbar (bin Ausländer) ...
>
> Vielen Dank fürs schneller Antwort
>
> --- In 200e@yahoogroups. com, Kai Franz <kai200e@... > wrote:
>>
>> Hallo,
>>
>> was erwartest Du von dem System?
>> Was möchtest Du mit dem 250e machen?
>>
>> Ich habe selber eins gekauft und bin eigentlich durch die Bank weg
> enttäuscht.
>>
>> LG
>>
>> Kai
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: kkonkkrete <kkonkkrete@ ...>
>> To: 200e@yahoogroups. com
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:12:00 PM
>> Subject: [200e] 200e in Germany
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi ---
>>
>> I am in the process of ordering a 200e system.
>>
>> I just wondered if any of you are located in Germany or Switzerland,
>> and would be willing to let me try out your system for half an hour or
>> so....
>>
>> Cheers,
>> KKonkkrete
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Re: 200e in Germany

2008-08-21 by tmeade1974

Very nicely put Ezra.
I was wondering if there are any plans to have the 250e and 222e use the internal bus.  The 
249e did so, correct?  Seems like a good solution for saving accurate pitch routings in these 
modules if they can bypass the 210e when being "in tune" is required. 
--tom

--- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, "ezra buchla" <ezra.buchla@...> wrote:

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> 
> in short, there are many, many ways to acheive stuff that is "in tune"
> on the 200e, whatever that might mean to you. it may mean a different
> workflow or patching style than you're used to; but complication is an
> inherent cost of flexibility.

Re: [200e] Re: 200e in Germany

2008-08-21 by ezra.buchla@gmail.com

that's a thought. in theory there wouldn't be any technical reason not
to put more midi on the data bus (aside from making it generally a
little overcrowded...)

but again there is a problem with interface requirements; not enough
switches and stuff left on the panel.

anyway we won't be adding any more features until the current set is stable.

i can't remember at this moment if the internal bussing on the 249e
was ever implemented. looking (very briefly) at the code, it doesn't
look like it was, but someone who actually has one could easily find
out.

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On 8/21/08, tmeade1974 <tmeade1974@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Very nicely put Ezra.
> I was wondering if there are any plans to have the 250e and 222e use the
> internal bus.  The
> 249e did so, correct?  Seems like a good solution for saving accurate pitch
> routings in these
> modules if they can bypass the 210e when being "in tune" is required.
> --tom
>
> --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, "ezra buchla" <ezra.buchla@...> wrote:
>>
>> in short, there are many, many ways to acheive stuff that is "in tune"
>> on the 200e, whatever that might mean to you. it may mean a different
>> workflow or patching style than you're used to; but complication is an
>> inherent cost of flexibility.
>
>
>
>

Re: [200e] Re: 200e in Germany

2008-08-21 by Chris Muir

On Aug 21, 2008, at 4:04 PM, ezra.buchla@gmail.com wrote:

> i can't remember at this moment if the internal bussing on the 249e
> was ever implemented. looking (very briefly) at the code, it doesn't
> look like it was, but someone who actually has one could easily find
> out.


It was never implemented, AFIK.

-C

Chris Muir
cbm@well.com	
http://www.xfade.com

Re: 200e in Germany

2008-08-22 by tmeade1974

ah, so basically, the "pitch" function/button on the 249e does not do anything?

Just thinking... you could add a page to the 222e to assign radio groups to busses, yeah? 
Ya know.. something to chew when the current features are all locked down and stable:)

--tom

--- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, Chris Muir <cbm@...> wrote:

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>
> 
> On Aug 21, 2008, at 4:04 PM, ezra.buchla@... wrote:
> 
> > i can't remember at this moment if the internal bussing on the 249e
> > was ever implemented. looking (very briefly) at the code, it doesn't
> > look like it was, but someone who actually has one could easily find
> > out.
> 
> 
> It was never implemented, AFIK.
> 
> -C
> 
> Chris Muir
> cbm@...	
> http://www.xfade.com
>

Re: [200e] Re: 200e in Germany

2008-08-22 by Chris Muir

On Aug 21, 2008, at 8:02 PM, tmeade1974 wrote:
> ah, so basically, the "pitch" function/button on the 249e does not  
> do anything?


It changes the way you edit it, from volts, to pitch names.

-C

Chris Muir
cbm@well.com	
http://www.xfade.com