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2008-03-17 by kai200e
Hi All, i love to buy a 200e but i really need help with the configuration. which Modules Do you think are a must have? which one are the no need ones? What you think of the pre build 18 panel unit @ the buchla website? Thank you very much 4 your answers.
2008-03-17 by kai200e
Thank you for your fast reply, I am a Electronic Club Music producer and i love to use the 200e in my productions. My goal is the make some new sounds with the 200e that you cant do with standard synthesizers. it would be nice to create the sequences first at the buchla and after that i love to sync the 200e to my computer software sequencer and record it live while i do some modulations for the song. --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, john josef <hyperguy61@...> wrote: > > it really depends on what results you want > what type of sounds you want to make > tell us what your goal is and i'm sure we will > have some helpful suggestions > joe > > :) > --- kai200e <kai200e@...> wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > i love to buy a 200e but i really need help with the > > configuration. > > > > which Modules Do you think are a must have? > > which one are the no need ones? > > > > What you think of the pre build 18 panel unit @ the > > buchla website? > > > > Thank you very much 4 your answers. > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >
2008-03-17 by john josef
it really depends on what results you want
what type of sounds you want to make
tell us what your goal is and i'm sure we will
have some helpful suggestions
joe
:)
--- kai200e <kai200e@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> i love to buy a 200e but i really need help with the
> configuration.
>
> which Modules Do you think are a must have?
> which one are the no need ones?
>
> What you think of the pre build 18 panel unit @ the
> buchla website?
>
> Thank you very much 4 your answers.
>
>
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On Mar 17, 2008, at 2:49 PM, kai200e wrote: > What you think of the pre build 18 panel unit @ the buchla website? If you want a "keyboard" it's pretty nice, although for my use I wouldn't get the 250e ARF, and would get a second 281e and 292e instead. As I noted in mail, my system looks like (left to right, top to bottom): 266e, 210e, 281e, 292e, 227e 256e, 225e, 281e, 292e, 259e, 291e 249e, blank, 261e, 261e, 261e Perhaps if others listed their systems, Kai could get a better idea of what people are using, and why. Chris Muir cbm@well.com http://www.xfade.com
2008-03-17 by kai200e
Chris what you think of 256e, 291e, 266e, 260e, 227e 281e, 292e, 210e, 225e, 281e, 292e 261e, 261e, 250e, 261e, 261e o.k. :-) i rebuild it from a picture i found but it really makes sens for me. you told me to it would be better to have 4 281e and 292e --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, Chris Muir <cbm@...> wrote:
> > > On Mar 17, 2008, at 2:49 PM, kai200e wrote: > > > What you think of the pre build 18 panel unit @ the buchla website? > > > If you want a "keyboard" it's pretty nice, although for my use I > wouldn't get the 250e ARF, and would get a second 281e and 292e instead. > > As I noted in mail, my system looks like (left to right, top to bottom): > 266e, 210e, 281e, 292e, 227e > 256e, 225e, 281e, 292e, 259e, 291e > 249e, blank, 261e, 261e, 261e > > Perhaps if others listed their systems, Kai could get a better idea of > what people are using, and why. > > Chris Muir > cbm@... > http://www.xfade.com >
2008-03-18 by kai200e
256e, 291e, 266e, 260e, 227e 281e, 292e, 210e, 225e, 281e, 292e 261e, 261e, 250e, 261e, 261e Chris i see you have w 281e and 2 292e. So it make sense to have 2 of them? I am now thinking of getting only 3 261e and try to get a 259e or something else in 200e format. Some people told me that i do not really need the 260e what are your experience with the 260e?
2008-03-18 by Chris Muir
On Mar 18, 2008, at 1:36 AM, kai200e wrote: > Chris i see you have w 281e and 2 292e. So it make sense to have 2 of > them? > Depends how you like to work. I find I can get a little more control by using a pair of 292 sections serially. I use one in low pass mode, and one in gate mode, each controlled by their own envelope. 281e's are good to have because there are a lot of things to modulate, so having plenty of envelopes / LFOs around is good. > I am now thinking of getting only 3 261e and try to get a 259e or > something else in 200e format. > The 259e is pretty cool. A nice flavor to have. The Buchla format Zeroscillator will probably be pretty interesting, too. > Some people told me that i do not really need the 260e > what are your experience with the 260e? > I haven't used one. It strikes me as a fairly esoteric module, and in a system that is fairly esoteric to begin with, that's saying something. I would skip it and get something else for that slot. Chris Muir cbm@well.com http://www.xfade.com
2008-03-18 by kai200e
Hi Chris, thanks for your help. I read the SOS review and anything i could found and I think i am ready 4 ordering soon. i will try to get the Zeroscillator. :-) I think my order will be: 256e, 291e, 266e, blank, 227e 281e, 292e, 210e, 225e, 281e, 292e blank, 261e, 250e, 261e, 261e so i will have 2 spaces for something else :-) Maybe someone else like to comment the system. Thanks! kai --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, Chris Muir <cbm@...> wrote:
> > > On Mar 18, 2008, at 1:36 AM, kai200e wrote: > > Chris i see you have w 281e and 2 292e. So it make sense to have 2 of > > them? > > > Depends how you like to work. I find I can get a little more control > by using a pair of 292 sections serially. I use one in low pass mode, > and one in gate mode, each controlled by their own envelope. > > 281e's are good to have because there are a lot of things to modulate, > so having plenty of envelopes / LFOs around is good. > > > I am now thinking of getting only 3 261e and try to get a 259e or > > something else in 200e format. > > > The 259e is pretty cool. A nice flavor to have. > > The Buchla format Zeroscillator will probably be pretty interesting, > too. > > > Some people told me that i do not really need the 260e > > what are your experience with the 260e? > > > > I haven't used one. It strikes me as a fairly esoteric module, and in > a system that is fairly esoteric to begin with, that's saying something. > > I would skip it and get something else for that slot. > > Chris Muir > cbm@... > http://www.xfade.com >
2008-03-18 by joe Pascarell
Hi Kai
my system is like this
225 256 266 259 227
281 292 210 291 281 292
261 261 250 261 261
it is a little unique as it has 5 oscillators.
the 259 responds on the same bus as the first 261
as long as you can live with that , it's nice to have the extra textures
keep in mind you can have more than 4 oscillators , but not more than 4
of the same type
i agree with chris about the 260 ... i think the space can be filled
with something more usefull
i would recommend the 297 over the 260
i have one coming which i will put in my 100 system
personally , i couldn't imagine a full 200e system without 2 281's and 2 292's
they are very very usefull
good luck!
hope this helps a little
joe
kai200e <kai200e@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi Chris,
thanks for your help.
I read the SOS review and anything i could found and I think i am
ready 4 ordering soon.
i will try to get the Zeroscillator. :-)
I think my order will be:
256e, 291e, 266e, blank, 227e
281e, 292e, 210e, 225e, 281e, 292e
blank, 261e, 250e, 261e, 261e
so i will have 2 spaces for something else :-)
Maybe someone else like to comment the system.
Thanks!
kai
--- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, Chris Muir <cbm@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 18, 2008, at 1:36 AM, kai200e wrote:
> > Chris i see you have w 281e and 2 292e. So it make sense to have 2 of
> > them?
> >
> Depends how you like to work. I find I can get a little more control
> by using a pair of 292 sections serially. I use one in low pass mode,
> and one in gate mode, each controlled by their own envelope.
>
> 281e's are good to have because there are a lot of things to modulate,
> so having plenty of envelopes / LFOs around is good.
>
> > I am now thinking of getting only 3 261e and try to get a 259e or
> > something else in 200e format.
> >
> The 259e is pretty cool. A nice flavor to have.
>
> The Buchla format Zeroscillator will probably be pretty interesting,
> too.
>
> > Some people told me that i do not really need the 260e
> > what are your experience with the 260e?
> >
>
> I haven't used one. It strikes me as a fairly esoteric module, and in
> a system that is fairly esoteric to begin with, that's saying something.
>
> I would skip it and get something else for that slot.
>
> Chris Muir
> cbm@...
> http://www.xfade.com
>
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Yo!
Buchla Joe!
"Talk to me"!!!!
-jb
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Hi joe, thanks for your response. kai --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, joe Pascarell <buchlajoe@...> wrote: > > Hi Kai > > my system is like this > > 225 256 266 259 227 > 281 292 210 291 281 292 > 261 261 250 261 261 > > it is a little unique as it has 5 oscillators. > the 259 responds on the same bus as the first 261 > as long as you can live with that , it's nice to have the extra textures > keep in mind you can have more than 4 oscillators , but not more than 4 > of the same type > > i agree with chris about the 260 ... i think the space can be filled > with something more usefull > i would recommend the 297 over the 260 > i have one coming which i will put in my 100 system > > personally , i couldn't imagine a full 200e system without 2 281's and 2 292's > they are very very usefull > > good luck! > hope this helps a little > joe > > > > > kai200e <kai200e@...> wrote: Hi Chris, > > thanks for your help. > I read the SOS review and anything i could found and I think i am > ready 4 ordering soon. > > i will try to get the Zeroscillator. :-) > > I think my order will be: > > 256e, 291e, 266e, blank, 227e > 281e, 292e, 210e, 225e, 281e, 292e > blank, 261e, 250e, 261e, 261e > > so i will have 2 spaces for something else :-) > > Maybe someone else like to comment the system. > > Thanks! > > kai > > --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, Chris Muir <cbm@> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 18, 2008, at 1:36 AM, kai200e wrote: > > > Chris i see you have w 281e and 2 292e. So it make sense to have 2 of > > > them? > > > > > Depends how you like to work. I find I can get a little more control > > by using a pair of 292 sections serially. I use one in low pass mode, > > and one in gate mode, each controlled by their own envelope. > > > > 281e's are good to have because there are a lot of things to modulate, > > so having plenty of envelopes / LFOs around is good. > > > > > I am now thinking of getting only 3 261e and try to get a 259e or > > > something else in 200e format. > > > > > The 259e is pretty cool. A nice flavor to have. > > > > The Buchla format Zeroscillator will probably be pretty interesting, > > too. > > > > > Some people told me that i do not really need the 260e > > > what are your experience with the 260e? > > > > > > > I haven't used one. It strikes me as a fairly esoteric module, and in > > a system that is fairly esoteric to begin with, that's saying something.
> > > > I would skip it and get something else for that slot. > > > > Chris Muir > > cbm@ > > http://www.xfade.com > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2008-03-19 by cuari7
I think that something that is sorely lacking in the Neo-Buchla is voltage processors that allow you to do fine scaling/inverting. The 210e and 256e give you this, but the scaling is stepped due to the digital nature of the modules. I recently came across a potential solution for this: Sound Transform Systems, makers of the banana-compatible Serge, are now making "M- class" modules, i.e. half panel-sized modules that contain 2-3 stock Serge modules which (will) span the complete catalog. These guys are actually the same height as the Buchla ones (4-U), but are the width of two Buchlas (like the 227e or 250e) and require a different PS, but they are almost completely compatible (I say "almost" because the pulses are only +5 V, whereas the 281e needs at least +10 V). Of course, an even better solution would be if our pals at Buchla came up with their own, totally-analog version of these oh, so necessary utility modules (hint, hint, guys!). After all, not everybody is interested in presets!! Otherwise, the Buchla is an amazing system, and every modular synth geek should try it out!!
2008-03-19 by tmeade1974
Just curious... What exactly were you trying to do with the 256e where the aliasing got in the way? Personally, I think that the precision of the scaling and ability to set a breakpoint outweigh the aliasing or "stepping" issues (which I haven't found to be an issue at all). So I am just wondering where that caught you. --tom --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, "cuari7" <cuari7@...> wrote:
> > I think that something that is sorely lacking in the Neo-Buchla is > voltage processors that allow you to do fine scaling/inverting. > The 210e and 256e give you this, but the scaling is stepped due to the > digital nature of the modules. > I recently came across a potential solution for this: Sound Transform > Systems, makers of the banana-compatible Serge, are now making "M- > class" modules, i.e. half panel-sized modules that contain 2-3 stock > Serge modules which (will) span the complete catalog. These guys are > actually the same height as the Buchla ones (4-U), but are the width of > two Buchlas (like the 227e or 250e) and require a different PS, but > they are almost completely compatible (I say "almost" because the > pulses are only +5 V, whereas the 281e needs at least +10 V). > > Of course, an even better solution would be if our pals at Buchla came > up with their own, totally-analog version of these oh, so necessary > utility modules (hint, hint, guys!). After all, not everybody is > interested in presets!! > > Otherwise, the Buchla is an amazing system, and every modular synth > geek should try it out!! >
2008-03-21 by cuari7
--- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, "tmeade1974" <tmeade1974@...> wrote: > > Just curious... > What exactly were you trying to do with the 256e where the aliasing got in the way? > Personally, I think that the precision of the scaling and ability to set a breakpoint outweigh > the aliasing or "stepping" issues (which I haven't found to be an issue at all). So I am just > wondering where that caught you. Basically, trying to manually sweep oscillator pitch or filter cut off in a smooth, continuous way. This is particularly true of the 291e, which has a pot with stepped changes in value for cutoff. The oscillators I can sweep with their own freq pot, but only one at a time. Up until now, a quick solution has been using a voltage from the 255 and feeding it into the 291e CV jacks, but the knobs in this thing are minuscule!
2008-03-21 by joe Pascarell
i have a similar problem when outputting a voltage
from the 266e to control pitch . when set at a slow
rate you can hear it stepping ... i am considering the
255. i have no room in my 200e cabinet , but i'm
considering mounting it in my 100 cabinet as there are
no bussing or memory issues with this unit.
--- cuari7 <cuari7@comcast.net> wrote:
> --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, "tmeade1974"
> <tmeade1974@...> wrote:
> >
> > Just curious...
> > What exactly were you trying to do with the 256e
> where the aliasing
> got in the way?
> > Personally, I think that the precision of the
> scaling and ability to
> set a breakpoint outweigh
> > the aliasing or "stepping" issues (which I haven't
> found to be an
> issue at all). So I am just
> > wondering where that caught you.
>
>
> Basically, trying to manually sweep oscillator pitch
> or filter cut off
> in a smooth, continuous way. This is particularly
> true of the 291e,
> which has a pot with stepped changes in value for
> cutoff. The
> oscillators I can sweep with their own freq pot, but
> only one at a time.
> Up until now, a quick solution has been using a
> voltage from the 255
> and feeding it into the 291e CV jacks, but the knobs
> in this thing are
> minuscule!
>
>
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in general, you may want to consider dialing down the modulation index at the input, when controlling pitch, if accuracy or smoothness takes precedence over range... it is hard to sweep 10 octaves and not notice artifacts... On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 8:32 AM, joe Pascarell <buchlajoe@yahoo.com> wrote: > i have a similar problem when outputting a voltage > from the 266e to control pitch . when set at a slow > rate you can hear it stepping ... i am considering the > 255. i have no room in my 200e cabinet , but i'm > considering mounting it in my 100 cabinet as there are > no bussing or memory issues with this unit. > > --- cuari7 <cuari7@comcast.net <cuari7%40comcast.net>> wrote: > > > --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com <200e%40yahoogroups.com>, "tmeade1974" > > <tmeade1974@...> wrote: > > > > > > Just curious... > > > What exactly were you trying to do with the 256e > > where the aliasing > > got in the way? > > > Personally, I think that the precision of the > > scaling and ability to > > set a breakpoint outweigh > > > the aliasing or "stepping" issues (which I haven't > > found to be an > > issue at all). So I am just > > > wondering where that caught you. > > > > > > Basically, trying to manually sweep oscillator pitch > > or filter cut off > > in a smooth, continuous way. This is particularly > > true of the 291e, > > which has a pot with stepped changes in value for > > cutoff. The > > oscillators I can sweep with their own freq pot, but > > only one at a time. > > Up until now, a quick solution has been using a > > voltage from the 255 > > and feeding it into the 291e CV jacks, but the knobs > > in this thing are > > minuscule! > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-03-23 by joe Pascarell
thank you ezra
you are , of course , correct ...
i'm still gonna order me a 255 though!
-jo-
ezra buchla <ezra.buchla@gmail.com> wrote: in general, you may want to consider dialing down the modulation index at
the input, when controlling pitch, if accuracy or smoothness takes
precedence over range... it is hard to sweep 10 octaves and not notice
artifacts...
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 8:32 AM, joe Pascarell <buchlajoe@yahoo.com> wrote:
> i have a similar problem when outputting a voltage
> from the 266e to control pitch . when set at a slow
> rate you can hear it stepping ... i am considering the
> 255. i have no room in my 200e cabinet , but i'm
> considering mounting it in my 100 cabinet as there are
> no bussing or memory issues with this unit.
>
> --- cuari7 <cuari7@comcast.net <cuari7%40comcast.net>> wrote:
>
> > --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com <200e%40yahoogroups.com>, "tmeade1974"
> > <tmeade1974@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Just curious...
> > > What exactly were you trying to do with the 256e
> > where the aliasing
> > got in the way?
> > > Personally, I think that the precision of the
> > scaling and ability to
> > set a breakpoint outweigh
> > > the aliasing or "stepping" issues (which I haven't
> > found to be an
> > issue at all). So I am just
> > > wondering where that caught you.
> >
> >
> > Basically, trying to manually sweep oscillator pitch
> > or filter cut off
> > in a smooth, continuous way. This is particularly
> > true of the 291e,
> > which has a pot with stepped changes in value for
> > cutoff. The
> > oscillators I can sweep with their own freq pot, but
> > only one at a time.
> > Up until now, a quick solution has been using a
> > voltage from the 255
> > and feeding it into the 291e CV jacks, but the knobs
> > in this thing are
> > minuscule!
> >
> >
>
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