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I always record in mono, play live in mono and rarely use effects. 
Easier to mix.

Rainbow Jimmy
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So.....Would I be better off NOT spending the extra
money on a mixer/effects board with 4 specific stereo
inputs.  I was looking at a Behringer (forget specific
model) that was 16ch (4 dedicated mono inputs).  Would
appreciate input on this as the wife is already
getting a bit antsy on the amount of cash I've input
on my new hobby.

Peace!
Scott
--- spaceanimals <rainbowjimmy@...>
wrote:
> I always record in mono, play live in mono and
> rarely use effects. 
> Easier to mix.
> 
> Rainbow Jimmy
> http://www.spaceanimals.com
> 
> 


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Depends on what you are going to do.

I use a separate mixer before I feed the MOTU 24i. I use effects in the outboard mixer mainly from the dsp1024(behringer) which I can also control via midi ( I have a effect track in Sonar just for this). I also use dxi and vst plug-ins. I have nano-verbs and compressors for the outboard mixer (which is a behringer MX2004a)

I also use a BBE 482 as well.

I prefer mixing outside but I finalize using the internal mixer (in my case I use Sonar 3). 

Dale

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mr Scott Stanley 
  To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 12:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [AN1x] re: stereo effects on synths


  So.....Would I be better off NOT spending the extra
  money on a mixer/effects board with 4 specific stereo
  inputs.  I was looking at a Behringer (forget specific
  model) that was 16ch (4 dedicated mono inputs).  Would
  appreciate input on this as the wife is already
  getting a bit antsy on the amount of cash I've input
  on my new hobby.

  Peace!
  Scott
  --- spaceanimals <rainbowjimmy@...>
  wrote:
  > I always record in mono, play live in mono and
  > rarely use effects. 
  > Easier to mix.
  > 
  > Rainbow Jimmy
  > http://www.spaceanimals.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Mr Scott Stanley <nbstas@y...> 
wrote:
> So.....Would I be better off NOT spending the extra
> money on a mixer/effects board with 4 specific stereo
> inputs.  I was looking at a Behringer (forget specific
> model) that was 16ch (4 dedicated mono inputs).  Would
> appreciate input on this as the wife is already
> getting a bit antsy on the amount of cash I've input
> on my new hobby.
> 
> Peace!
> Scott

Scott,

Two things to keep in mind:

1. those four seperate stereo pairs can always be used as mono inputs 
simply by using only one of the two inputs per pair.

2. those four seperate stereo pairs will typically have their signal 
summed when sent to a FX send.  Not many  budget mixers offer 'true' 
stereo sends - you'd need to use both sends in parallel AND your FX 
processor would need to effect each channel individually. Again, not 
typical for a budget FX processor. The EQ and Pan settings are 
applied equally to both the left and right sides of a pair - this 
isn't going to be a problem so long as you avoid the 'everything in 
stereo mish mash' that Mike alludes to in his post.

Jon

So true Jon, not a budget thing. I re-wire my rig when I want to do full left-right. While the effects I use are stereo type, I find some cross talk happening. When I am playing with the 5.1 or greater recording, I use separate effects for each channel. This is where my A5k sampler helps out a lot. I can run 8 separate (actual 10) and effect them as required. Needless to say, this goes well beyond anything normal. Not something I do daily either.

I still think one has to determine what they are going to record or do then consider the hardware/software. A little time spent researching and asking many different groups might prove wise in the money spent department. Especially if you can find someone who is doing something similar. Clone their rig.

Notable is the new Alesis ION. It has two separate stereo outs. I have not made it that far yet to actually use the additional aux outs yet.

Dale

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jon 
  To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 8:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [AN1x] re: stereo effects on synths


  --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Mr Scott Stanley <nbstas@y...> 
  wrote:
  > So.....Would I be better off NOT spending the extra
  > money on a mixer/effects board with 4 specific stereo
  > inputs.  I was looking at a Behringer (forget specific
  > model) that was 16ch (4 dedicated mono inputs).  Would
  > appreciate input on this as the wife is already
  > getting a bit antsy on the amount of cash I've input
  > on my new hobby.
  > 
  > Peace!
  > Scott

  Scott,

  Two things to keep in mind:

  1. those four seperate stereo pairs can always be used as mono inputs 
  simply by using only one of the two inputs per pair.

  2. those four seperate stereo pairs will typically have their signal 
  summed when sent to a FX send.  Not many  budget mixers offer 'true' 
  stereo sends - you'd need to use both sends in parallel AND your FX 
  processor would need to effect each channel individually. Again, not 
  typical for a budget FX processor. The EQ and Pan settings are 
  applied equally to both the left and right sides of a pair - this 
  isn't going to be a problem so long as you avoid the 'everything in 
  stereo mish mash' that Mike alludes to in his post.

  Jon

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I'd like to thank everyone for the info provided thus
far!  Are there any good books that cover home studio
topics in general that would be worth picking up at
the local Barnes & Noble?  I'm not looking to become
the next music superstar, just trying to pick up the
hobby again after about a 15 year hiatus.

Peace!
Scott

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--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Dale Kay" <admin@k...> wrote:
> So true Jon, not a budget thing. I re-wire my rig when I want to do 
full left-right. While the effects I use are stereo type, I find some 
cross talk happening. When I am playing with the 5.1 or greater 
recording, I use separate effects for each channel. This is where my 
A5k sampler helps out a lot. I can run 8 separate (actual 10) and 
effect them as required. Needless to say, this goes well beyond 
anything normal. Not something I do daily either.
> 

I'm not doing 5.1 yet.  As opposed to using multiple outs - I'll set 
up a short, multitrack sequence (loop) on my ASR-X sampler and then 
resample a number of takes with a different insert FX or reverb depth 
applied to individual tracks.  It's a quick and dirty way to build up 
a tricked out loop library which can be used in Logic Audio but it 
forces one to premix - not a bad thing for drum tracks at least.

> I still think one has to determine what they are going to record or 
do then consider the hardware/software. A little time spent 
researching and asking many different groups might prove wise in the 
money spent department. Especially if you can find someone who is 
doing something similar. Clone their rig.
> 

Good advice. I picked up a 2nd hand MOTU 828 (the "mark I" original 
model) recently and it's been a real change trying the 'mixerless' 
approach. On the plus side, everything's ready to go when using Logic 
but if I simply want to rehearse or goof off without running Logic 
then it limits you to only one active input pair at a time. Kind of a 
drag but fixed in the MkII model (for a few hundred dollars more, of 
course!)

My aging, 10+ year Mackie 1202 lacks a pre-fader switch for either 
Aux send which made it kind of a hassle to track with Logic - you 
just have to remember to turn down the gain on the on the right 
channels at the right time ;-) Definitely a feature I would look out 
for if shopping for a new mixer.

> Notable is the new Alesis ION. It has two separate stereo outs. I 
have not made it that far yet to actually use the additional aux outs 
yet.
> 

...but you will, no doubt ;-)

Jon

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Mr Scott Stanley <nbstas@y...> wrote:
> 
> I'd like to thank everyone for the info provided thus
> far!  Are there any good books that cover home studio
> topics in general that would be worth picking up at
> the local Barnes & Noble?  I'm not looking to become
> the next music superstar, just trying to pick up the
> hobby again after about a 15 year hiatus.
> 
> Peace!
> Scott

Scott,

Two popular and readily available home recording books:

"Home Recording for Musicians" by Craig Anderton Amsco Publications US Code No. 
260001.3

and 

"Modern Recording Techniques" by Huber and Rothstein SAMS Audio Library 22682

I wouldn't be surprized to see either or both at your local Guitar Center ifB&K doesn't 
have them.

Last summer or spring there was a discussion regarding music theory on AN1x-list - 
a number of interesting book titles were posted in that thread. If I find the thread in 
the archives I'll repost the link - otherwsie you can search for yourself...

Jon