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2004-12-22 by rajesh parwani

hi friends,
im searching for the sensors which can detect barrier at a distance of upto 3 cm and not more . well my working condition have lot of ambient light . i would prefer to fix the setting once for any lighting so that need not change it from place to place. please suggest me some way . should i go for ultrasonic sensor or the normal opto. if possible send me some circuit
regards,
rajesh

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Re: [AVR-Chat] sensors...

2004-12-22 by Andrew Lim

Hi Raj,
 
Since u have lots of ambient light in ur working condition, I suggest u use ultrasonic which will solve ur problem.
 
Since u only need to control the distant at 3cm. Ultrasonic will be a good solution. However, I guess using ultrasonic will be at the expensive side in term of cost? Maybe I'm wrong.
 
 
Regards,
Andrew

rajesh parwani <rajesh_almighty@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
hi friends,
               im searching for the sensors which can detect barrier at a distance of   upto  3  cm  and not more . well my working condition  have lot of ambient light . i would prefer to fix the setting once for any lighting so that need not change it from place to place. please suggest me some way . should i go for ultrasonic sensor or the normal opto. if possible send me some circuit
 
regards, 
rajesh  

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Re: [AVR-Chat] sensors...

2004-12-22 by rajesh parwani

hi andy ,
thanks for replying . it would be a privelege if u can send me some circuit to do that as cost is not a factor


Andrew Lim wrote:
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Hi Raj,
Since u have lots of ambient light in ur working condition, I suggest u use ultrasonic which will solve ur problem.
Since u only need to control the distant at 3cm. Ultrasonic will be a good solution. However, I guess using ultrasonic will be at the expensive side in term of cost? Maybe I'm wrong.
Regards,
Andrew

rajesh parwani wrote:
hi friends,
im searching for the sensors which can detect barrier at a distance of upto 3 cm and not more . well my working condition have lot of ambient light . i would prefer to fix the setting once for any lighting so that need not change it from place to place. please suggest me some way . should i go for ultrasonic sensor or the normal opto. if possible send me some circuit
regards,
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Re: [AVR-Chat] sensors...

2004-12-22 by Andrew Lim

Hi Raj,
 
I dun hav the circuit with me. I remember having the similar issue in AVR Chat and a gentlemen gave a website about this. Sorry I forgot his name but perhaps anyone here can help.
 
 
Regards,
Andrew

rajesh parwani <rajesh_almighty@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
hi andy ,
thanks for replying . it would be a privelege if u can send me some circuit to do that as cost is not a factor


Andrew Lim <normaxcite@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Raj,
 
Since u have lots of ambient light in ur working condition, I suggest u use ultrasonic which will solve ur problem.
 
Since u only need to control the distant at 3cm. Ultrasonic will be a good solution. However, I guess using ultrasonic will be at the expensive side in term of cost? Maybe I'm wrong.
 
 
Regards,
Andrew

rajesh parwani <rajesh_almighty@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
hi friends,
               im searching for the sensors which can detect barrier at a distance of   upto  3  cm  and not more . well my working condition  have lot of ambient light . i would prefer to fix the setting once for any lighting so that need not change it from place to place. please suggest me some way . should i go for ultrasonic sensor or the normal opto. if possible send me some circuit
 
regards, 
rajesh  

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RES: [AVR-Chat] sensors...

2004-12-22 by Edson L. Bestvina

Rajesh
Try to use BPW32 (photodiode Osram) it is immune to ambient light .
Edson
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De: rajesh parwani [mailto:rajesh_almighty@yahoo.co.in]
Enviada em: quarta-feira, 22 de dezembro de 2004 07:58
Para: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
Assunto: [AVR-Chat] sensors...

hi friends,
im searching for the sensors which can detect barrier at a distance of upto 3 cm and not more . well my working condition have lot of ambient light . i would prefer to fix the setting once for any lighting so that need not change it from place to place. please suggest me some way . should i go for ultrasonic sensor or the normal opto. if possible send me some circuit
regards,
rajesh

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AW: [AVR-Chat] sensors...

2004-12-22 by Gert Mueller

Hi Rajesh,

in the recent issue of the german elektronics magazin
ELEKTOR you'll find an article discussing exactly 
that subject. They have some datasheets of suitable
sensors, schematic (+layout) for an ultrasonic distance 
meter and even AVR controller software - written in C.

That's the good news - the bad one: The article is in 
German. You may check www.elektor.de  go to
their download section and look for  the december 
issue. At least the datasheets and software found 
there may be of interest for you.

Regards, Gert

Re: [AVR-Chat] sensors...

2004-12-22 by David D. Rea

What is the barrier material? If it is metallic, a simple damped LC tank
circuit could easily handle <=3cm detection.

DDR
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On Wed, 2004-12-22 at 04:57, rajesh parwani wrote:
> hi friends,
>                im searching for the sensors which can detect barrier
> at a distance of   upto  3  cm  and not more . well my working
> condition  have lot of ambient light . i would prefer to fix the
> setting once for any lighting so that need not change it from place to
> place. please suggest me some way . should i go for ultrasonic sensor
> or the normal opto. if possible send me some circuit
>  
> regards, 
> rajesh  
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2004-12-22 by Kathy Quinlan

Gert Mueller wrote:

> Hi Rajesh,
> 
> in the recent issue of the german elektronics magazin
> ELEKTOR you'll find an article discussing exactly 
> that subject. They have some datasheets of suitable
> sensors, schematic (+layout) for an ultrasonic distance 
> meter and even AVR controller software - written in C.
> 
> That's the good news - the bad one: The article is in 
> German. You may check www.elektor.de  go to
> their download section and look for  the december 
> issue. At least the datasheets and software found 
> there may be of interest for you.
> 
> Regards, Gert

Elektor also publishes in english :)

Regards,

Kat.


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Re: [AVR-Chat] sensors...

2004-12-22 by Gert Mueller

Kathy Quinlan wrote:

> Elektor also publishes in english :)

> Regards,

> Kat.

Yea - even their website offers an english 
section - just click ".uk" - I must have been
sort of blind :o)

Regards, Gert

RE: [AVR-Chat] sensors...

2004-12-22 by D. Daniel McGlothin

Similar to another suggestion, you might take a look at http://thereminvision.com/, and then follow the link to the 2nd version. I've not actually used one of these sensors, although I'm familiar with the musical instrument.
Daniel
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From: rajesh parwani [mailto:rajesh_almighty@yahoo.co.in]
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Subject: [AVR-Chat] sensors...

hi friends,
im searching for the sensors which can detect barrier at a distance of upto 3 cm and not more . well my working condition have lot of ambient light . i would prefer to fix the setting once for any lighting so that need not change it from place to place. please suggest me some way . should i go for ultrasonic sensor or the normal opto. if possible send me some circuit
regards,
rajesh

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Re: [AVR-Chat] sensors...

2004-12-22 by Brian Dean

On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 10:09:57AM +0000, rajesh parwani wrote:

> thanks for replying . it would be a privelege if u can send me some
> circuit to do that as cost is not a factor

If cost, as you say, is not a factor, you might try a SICK LADAR,
something like the LMS 291:

   http://www.sickusa.com/live/master/datasheet.asp?PN=1018028&FAM=Measurement

This is a wonderful sensor and can see the full 180 degrees in front
of it at 0.5 degree increments and gives ranges in millimeters or
centimeters.  I'm using one now in a project - it is absolutely
superb.

-Brian
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RE: [AVR-Chat] sensors...

2004-12-22 by robert moro

Rajesh,

Check out the IS471F:
http://www.junun.org/MarkIII/datasheets/IS471F.pdf

It is an optical solution, but it is not that sensitive to ambient light 
because the light send is modulated and the light received is filtered by 
the IS471F.

The circuit is very simple: you only need to add an IR-LED, see datasheet.

A lot of links (circuits) can be found for this component.

I shrunk a piece of heat shrink tube around the LED to prohibit light 
leaking from the LED directly to the IS741F.

Regards,
Robert


>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: rajesh parwani [mailto:rajesh_almighty@yahoo.co.in]
>   Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 4:58 AM
>   To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [AVR-Chat] sensors...
>
>
>   hi friends,
>                  im searching for the sensors which can detect barrier at 
>a
>distance of   upto  3  cm  and not more . well my working condition  have
>lot of ambient light . i would prefer to fix the setting once for any
>lighting so that need not change it from place to place. please suggest me
>some way . should i go for ultrasonic sensor or the normal opto. if 
>possible
>send me some circuit
>
>   regards,
>   rajesh

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Re: [AVR-Chat] sensors...

2004-12-22 by rajesh parwani

well that is too heavy and not compact not only that it has too be low powered
thanks

Brian Dean wrote:
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On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 10:09:57AM +0000, rajesh parwani wrote:

> thanks for replying . it would be a privelege if u can send me some
> circuit to do that as cost is not a factor

If cost, as you say, is not a factor, you might try a SICK LADAR,
something like the LMS 291:

http://www.sickusa.com/live/master/datasheet.asp?PN=1018028&FAM=Measurement

This is a wonderful sensor and can see the full 180 degrees in front
of it at 0.5 degree increments and gives ranges in millimeters or
centimeters. I'm using one now in a project - it is absolutely
superb.

-Brian
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Re: [AVR-Chat] sensors...

2004-12-22 by rajesh parwani

well that is too heavy and not compact not only that it has too be low powered and availability in mumbai, india is of most imp
thanks

Brian Dean wrote:
On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 10:09:57AM +0000, rajesh parwani wrote:

> thanks for replying . it would be a privelege if u can send me some
> circuit to do that as cost is not a factor

If cost, as you say, is not a factor, you might try a SICK LADAR,
something like the LMS 291:

http://www.sickusa.com/live/master/datasheet.asp?PN=1018028&FAM=Measurement

This is a wonderful sensor and can see the full 180 degrees in front
of it at 0.5 degree increments and gives ranges in millimeters or
centimeters. I'm using one now in a project - it is absolutely
superb.

-Brian
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Re: [AVR-Chat] sensors...

2004-12-22 by rajesh parwani

hey the barrier is wooden plank . but the prblem is that when the barrier is away more than 3 cm it shopuldnt detect. well there is a way of adjusting that using pot but that doesnt work for changing ambient light. both the detector and transmitter will be fixed on same plane

"David D. Rea" wrote:
What is the barrier material? If it is metallic, a simple damped LC tank
circuit could easily handle <=3cm detection.

DDR

On Wed, 2004-12-22 at 04:57, rajesh parwani wrote:
> hi friends,
> im searching for the sensors which can detect barrier
> at a distance of upto 3 cm and not more . well my working
> condition have lot of ambient light . i would prefer to fix the
> setting once for any lighting so that need not change it from place to
> place. please suggest me some way . should i go for ultrasonic sensor
> or the normal opto. if possible send me some circuit
>
> regards,
> rajesh
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2004-12-22 by Edson L. Bestvina

Mr. Parwani
See attached file...
Edson
-----Mensagem original-----
De: rajesh parwani [mailto:rajesh_almighty@yahoo.co.in]
Enviada em: quarta-feira, 22 de dezembro de 2004 15:51
Para: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
Assunto: Re: [AVR-Chat] sensors...

hey the barrier is wooden plank . but the prblem is that when the barrier is away more than 3 cm it shopuldnt detect. well there is a way of adjusting that using pot but that doesnt work for changing ambient light. both the detector and transmitter will be fixed on same plane

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Re: [AVR-Chat] sensors...

2004-12-23 by David Rea

Since you're stuck with an optical sensor, let's look at what we can do
with infrared.

I have a product at work that uses an infrared sensor that I designed.
It uses an Osram SFH426 infrared LED and a PD100MF0MP
visible-light-cutoff photodiode. The photodiode's resin doesn't let
much ambient light through.

I went as simple as possible - the photodiode is reverse-biased in
series with a 220 K-ohm resistor. In dark conditions, only a few
microamps flow, but as more light shines on the detector, more current
flows, and a voltage drop develops across the resistor.

This drop is what I measure with my AVR's ADC. The voltage is just fed
in raw - no transistors or op-amps. In order to make a measurement, I
measure the envelope:

1) Turn off the LED
2) Take 32 samples on the ADC and average them
3) Turn on the LED
4) Repeat (2)
5) Turn the LED back off again
6) Repeat (2)

If I see the same decrease after turning off the LED as I saw increase
when I turned it on, then I know there's an object in front of the
sensor. If the change isn't equal and opposite, then I know that the
ambient light conditions are changing.

The circuit works perfectly from total darkness through blinding
North-43-degrees winter sun + snow glare. In fact, it works better than
the bar code scanner it triggers - in bright enough ambient light
conditions, the trigger sensor still triggers the scanner, and you can
barely see the laser line, but the scanner can't read the bar code for
lack of contrast.

This is mostly due to my spending excessive amounts of time selecting a
resistor value that doesn't saturate in bright ambient light and still
has a decent voltage drop when illuminated by reflections from the
Osram LED.

Note that the LED and the photodiode are roughly wavelength-matched.

Hope this helps!!

Dave

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> hey the barrier is wooden plank . but the prblem is that when the
> barrier is away more than 3 cm it shopuldnt detect. well there is a
> way of adjusting that using pot but that doesnt work for changing
> ambient light. both the detector and transmitter will be fixed on
> same plane
>
> "David D. Rea" <dave@daverea.com> wrote:What is the barrier material?
> If it is metallic, a simple damped LC tank
> circuit could easily handle <=3cm detection.
>
> DDR
>
> On Wed, 2004-12-22 at 04:57, rajesh parwani wrote:
> > hi friends,
> >                im searching for the sensors which can detect
> barrier
> > at a distance of   upto  3  cm  and not more . well my working
> > condition  have lot of ambient light . i would prefer to fix the
> > setting once for any lighting so that need not change it from place
> to
> > place. please suggest me some way . should i go for ultrasonic
> sensor
> > or the normal opto. if possible send me some circuit
> >
> > regards,
> > rajesh
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