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Well, thanks for nothing to everyone but the last entry, I just don't get how people can waste the time writting a respose which offers nothing but non-constructive solutions! I specifically asked for DIY solutions, I understand completely the amount of time I 'floundered' away on hashing through the design flaws and frusteration- I was there and noone else!! I just had to post a response because usually this is a great way to get some advice, but for the 'know-it-alls' who think they have the solution but don't bother to completely read the queries!!
 
 Just to straighten things out, I did thank the contributor who offered the great advice on using the BASCOM software along with the dongle, it has been my saving grace thus far, as I still am trying to figure out the AVRdude command line software. As I posted on AVRfreaks, the dongle that ended up working for me is the Olimex AVR_PG2b design, a very simple design which leaves out many of the 'enhanced' features which didn't work in the other designs I 'floundered' with. The strange thing about it is that it only seems to work for loading the tiny45, not the mega devices I have. I do only have 3 types of megas(16,103L,128) and one type of tiny(45), so I am not at all the one to try all the various the combinations. The BASCOM software 'supports' these devices but just doesn't seem to load into the megas via the dongle. I also tried with the Kanda STK300 dongle I have and still no go, so who knows?? I am just happy to be getting going with the tiny devices, and will flounder with the rest later when I get my patience back:)
 
 Anyways, thanks again for the good help offered out. I, like most folks I'm sure, recieve the email digest each day, and view each and every posting that goes through the AVR-Chat. Being that I am a fairly new beginner I don't have alot of advice to offer out to folks, but when I do see something I can help with, I do, which is the whole foundation behind this arena, no? I understand that there are people of every skill range posting and recieving, and to many seeing the same old questions from newbies may be stale, but keep in mind that for some 'floundering' is an important part of the learning curve and doesn't at all mean that they are wasting their time in any sense! My best way of learning is getting in there and making those mistakes is I have to!! Thanks all.
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Jay:
>  Well, thanks for nothing to everyone but the last entry, I just don't
>  get how people can waste the time writting a respose which offers
>  nothing but non-constructive solutions! I specifically asked for DIY
>  solutions, 
No, you didn't.  I've just re-read your original email, and you said: 

"So, please can someone who has already been through all this crap 
send a link or something to a proven performer that will definatly 
work with the attiny45!!??"

Nowhere did you specifically mention *only* wanting a DIY solution, 
so when you posed the above question, the response I (and others) 
gave was that the AVRISP mkII would do what you were asking.  It's a 
proven performer which definitely programs the ATtiny45.  Maybe you 
should've asked for what you *actually* wanted, and not assume we all 
knew.  




Richard---
"Iz dana u dan ona dolazi i odlazi u talasima"
   http://www.van-gogh.co.yu/

Some of the rest of us cannot understand why you would have wasted the 
amount of time you did trying to keep from spending 40 bucks for a known 
good tool to work with.  You probably worked for less than $0.10 an hour 
at that rate.  Most of us think more of our time than that and were 
trying to help you along with that idea too.  But nope, you get angry 
about it.  I hope you plan to charge more than that rate if you decide 
to do this kind of work for a living.  The rest of us can't compete with 
a $2.40 day rate.

You're welcome, by the way.


REB


Jay Dagenais wrote:

> Well, thanks for nothing to everyone but the last entry, I just don't get how people can waste the time writting a respose which offers nothing but non-constructive solutions! I specifically asked for DIY solutions, I understand completely the amount of time I 'floundered' away on hashing through the design flaws and frusteration- I was there and noone else!! I just had to post a response because usually this is a great way to get some advice, but for the 'know-it-alls' who think they have the solution but don't bother to completely read the queries!!
> 
> Just to straighten things out, I did thank the contributor who offered the great advice on using the BASCOM software along with the dongle, it has been my saving grace thus far, as I still am trying to figure out the AVRdude command line software. As I posted on AVRfreaks, the dongle that ended up working for me is the Olimex AVR_PG2b design, a very simple design which leaves out many of the 'enhanced' features which didn't work in the other designs I 'floundered' with. The strange thing about it is that it only seems to work for loading the tiny45, not the mega devices I have. I do only have 3 types of megas(16,103L,128) and one type of tiny(45), so I am not at all the one to try all the various the combinations. The BASCOM software 'supports' these devices but just doesn't seem to load into the megas via the dongle. I also tried with the Kanda STK300 dongle I have and still no go, so who knows?? I am just happy to be getting going with the tiny devices, and will flounder with the rest later when I get my patience back:)
> 
> Anyways, thanks again for the good help offered out. I, like most folks I'm sure, recieve the email digest each day, and view each and every posting that goes through the AVR-Chat. Being that I am a fairly new beginner I don't have alot of advice to offer out to folks, but when I do see something I can help with, I do, which is the whole foundation behind this arena, no? I understand that there are people of every skill range posting and recieving, and to many seeing the same old questions from newbies may be stale, but keep in mind that for some 'floundering' is an important part of the learning curve and doesn't at all mean that they are wasting their time in any sense! My best way of learning is getting in there and making those mistakes is I have to!! Thanks all.
>  
>


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Jay

Don't be too surprised if you find fewer people offering solutions to 
your queries in the future. After all you have literally drawn your 
sword and killed the messenger.

Ian


Jay Dagenais wrote:

>  Well, thanks for nothing to everyone but the last entry, I just don't get how people can waste the time writting a respose which offers nothing but non-constructive solutions! I specifically asked for DIY solutions, I understand completely the amount of time I 'floundered' away on hashing through the design flaws and frusteration- I was there and noone else!! I just had to post a response because usually this is a great way to get some advice, but for the 'know-it-alls' who think they have the solution but don't bother to completely read the queries!!
>  
>  Just to straighten things out, I did thank the contributor who offered the great advice on using the BASCOM software along with the dongle, it has been my saving grace thus far, as I still am trying to figure out the AVRdude command line software. As I posted on AVRfreaks, the dongle that ended up working for me is the Olimex AVR_PG2b design, a very simple design which leaves out many of the 'enhanced' features which didn't work in the other designs I 'floundered' with. The strange thing about it is that it only seems to work for loading the tiny45, not the mega devices I have. I do only have 3 types of megas(16,103L,128) and one type of tiny(45), so I am not at all the one to try all the various the combinations. The BASCOM software 'supports' these devices but just doesn't seem to load into the megas via the dongle. I also tried with the Kanda STK300 dongle I have and still no go, so who knows?? I am just happy to be getting going with the tiny devices, and will flounder w
>  ith the rest later when I get my patience back:)
>  
>  Anyways, thanks again for the good help offered out. I, like most folks I'm sure, recieve the email digest each day, and view each and every posting that goes through the AVR-Chat. Being that I am a fairly new beginner I don't have alot of advice to offer out to folks, but when I do see something I can help with, I do, which is the whole foundation behind this arena, no? I understand that there are people of every skill range posting and recieving, and to many seeing the same old questions from newbies may be stale, but keep in mind that for some 'floundering' is an important part of the learning curve and doesn't at all mean that they are wasting their time in any sense! My best way of learning is getting in there and making those mistakes is I have to!! Thanks all.
>
>

Ian Drennan wrote:
>
> Jay
>
> Don't be too surprised if you find fewer people offering solutions to
> your queries in the future. After all you have literally drawn your
> sword and killed the messenger.
>
> Ian
>







<scold mode>   *grin*

Ian, et. al;

    I think perhaps the responses to Jay are a tad overstated.  Granted, 
Jay was rude, but I am guessing he is relatively new to the forum.  Cut 
the newbies a little slack, perhaps?

   Jay:   I re-read your post, and frankly, I didn't see any special 
emphasis on your need for a no-cash DIY solution either.  I sympathize 
with your situation.  I doubt there are many here other than you and me 
who are in the lamentable position of having ZERO cash to play with, so 
I am not surprised that many of these filk consider $40 a minor 
expense.  For the vast majority of people, particularly those inclined 
to be playing with things like AVRs,  it would be.

   Try to see it from their perspective before jumping down their 
throats.  Realize hat your (and my) situation is unusual, and cut the 
regulars a little slack, just as I have asked them to cut you some 
slack.   They really are just trying to help, and help should always e 
accepted gratefully and gracefully, even if it isn't the help you had 
hoped for or expected.

   That last brings up another important issue, by the by, asd I am 
going to confess that I too suffer from this particular poor behaviour 
in my IRC incarnation:  no one *OWES* us assistance with these 
questions.  The fact that some of these filk are willing to expend their 
time and energy answering questions from others is a boon and a 
wonderful thing.  Sometimes, if no  one has a knowledgeable response to 
make, no one makes any response at all.  As disappointing and irritating 
as that can be,m it is important for ALL of us to remember that the filk 
answering questions here are all volunteers, and they owe NO ONE an 
answer on anything.  While it is natural to have expectations, it is 
important to realize that in such a forum, we have no right to have 
expecrarions.  Period.

   So, perhaps we could all just relax, and forget this particular 
exchange, and move on in the generally friednly and welcoming 
environment I have always found AVR Chat to represent, OK?   

</scold mode>
\

tom
aka avrFreak on efNet IRC
check out the efNer #avrFreaks chat channel, please

--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Dagenais" <jaydag71@...> wrote:
>
> [...] Well, thanks for nothing to everyone but the last entry, I just 
don't get how people can waste the time writting a respose which offers 
nothing but non-constructive solutions!

Oh, sorry to waste your (and my) time!
I'll try hard not to make the same mistake again...