Boss VF-1 Effect Processor

Hello everybody..

First i must say i find this group very usefull.. i haven't
written much yet, but reading all the messages (if it's busy) is 
cool.. knowing there's a place where you get response on questions is 
nice..

well enough 'bull'..

I've got a FC-200 and an VF-1 and they both function fine.. so far 
i'm happy.. I want to buy a Fender CyberTwin Amplifier and connect 
the FC-200 to both the VF-1 and the Fender. Looking at the manual of 
the FC-200 there doesn't seem to be an easy way to swith Midi 
channels... Yeah.. power of and change settings, but that's not 
easy.. I wan't to 
just push a button and change channels..

anybody any suggestions? I can't be the only one wanting to use an FC-
200 for more devices.. (I think)

Marco..

The fc-200, again, controlling the vf-1 and a Fender Cyber Twin Amplifier at
the same time.
It should be possiblle, I'm not familiar with the Cyber Twin, check it's
MIDI connections.
If there is a Midi thru, no problem, if there isn't you'll need a seperate
midi splitter to connect midi devices.

The VF- 1 has only midi out as far as I understand.
This means that the midi messages from the fc-200 do not flow Thru the
vf-1's Midi Out.
A Midi Thru transmits all the signals unchanged received from the Midi In,
Midi Out does only transmit the signals generated by the device itself,
correct me if I'm wrong.

This means: if you hook up the fc - 200 up to the VF's midi in the VF's Midi
out will not have the fc-200's midi message anymore.

My fc-200 sometimes controls  a gp-100, an Ada mp-1 and the vf-1.
The vf has midi in and out, the Ada and the Gp-100 also have a midi thru.
The midi chain has to be Ada(midi in-thru)-Gp (midi in-thru)-Vf-1, the gp
and the ada can be switched but the vf has to be at the end of the line
because it has no Midi thru but only out.

The ada has 64 user patches, the gp has 200 and the vf has 202.
Well, if I press my fc-200 for a patch change all 3 devices go to the same
patch.
The "only" thing I have to do is tweaking each patch 'till I'm satisfied.

CC commands are still possible, just watch out what youre sending.
Also it's possibble to go into the VF's menu, the vf doesn't respond to
programchange messages, youre Cyber Twin will.

Greetings, hope it's any help/use

Sjaak in Euroland

>>I've got a FC-200 and an VF-1 and they both function fine.. so far
>i'm happy.. I want to buy a Fender CyberTwin Amplifier and connect
>the FC-200 to both the VF-1 and the Fender. Looking at the manual of
>the FC-200 there doesn't seem to be an easy way to swith Midi
>channels... Yeah.. power of and change settings, but that's not
>easy.. I wan't to
>just push a button and change channels..
>

Marco,

Your question was: is there an easy way to switch midi channels on the
fc-200 ?
Did not answer that in my previous mail.........

I don't think there is a easy way, hence my midigearsetupstory, I donno
another way as you described to change midi channels on the fc-200.

We talked before about the vf1/fc200 midi stuff,my email dated 28-10-2001
contains some info I got concerning VF's bankselect CC numbers I got from
Roland.

Sjaak.

An easy way to change midichanels on the fc-200, let me know if you
know/find out.

Question for the Behringer footcontroller owners in this group: how easy can
you switch midi channels on your Behringer
fcb ... de Luxe

Thnx Sjaak!

well the cybertwin has midi thru so that should be no
problem.. i also understand that the vf-1 has te be at
the end of the line.. should be no problem either..

but you control all devices via the same midi channel?
doesn't that mean that you have to reprogram some
miditables in the vf-1? so that patches respond to
other midi-commands? for example VF-1 patch 1
responses to FC-200 bank12/button01 or something like
that? otherwise as you say all devices swith to the
same patch.. as the vf-1 will be in the effectsloop of
the cybertwin wouldn't that give some strange
effects??

what i was looking for is a device or a possibility in
the FC-200 to switch from midi channels with the push
of a button or pedal.. so that both the cybertwin AND
the vf-1 react to the FC-200 as they would when they
were alone connect to the FC-200..

so the cybertwin would react to channel 1 and the vf-1
to channel 2.. and the FC-200 could switch between
those channels.. if you understand what i mean..?

thnx

Marco

--- Sjaak de Vos <sjaakdevos@...> wrote:
> The fc-200, again, controlling the vf-1 and a Fender
> Cyber Twin Amplifier at
> the same time.
> It should be possiblle, I'm not familiar with the
> Cyber Twin, check it's
> MIDI connections.
> If there is a Midi thru, no problem, if there isn't
> you'll need a seperate
> midi splitter to connect midi devices.
> 
> The VF- 1 has only midi out as far as I understand.
> This means that the midi messages from the fc-200 do
> not flow Thru the
> vf-1's Midi Out.
> A Midi Thru transmits all the signals unchanged
> received from the Midi In,
> Midi Out does only transmit the signals generated by
> the device itself,
> correct me if I'm wrong.
> 
> This means: if you hook up the fc - 200 up to the
> VF's midi in the VF's Midi
> out will not have the fc-200's midi message anymore.
> 
> My fc-200 sometimes controls  a gp-100, an Ada mp-1
> and the vf-1.
> The vf has midi in and out, the Ada and the Gp-100
> also have a midi thru.
> The midi chain has to be Ada(midi in-thru)-Gp (midi
> in-thru)-Vf-1, the gp
> and the ada can be switched but the vf has to be at
> the end of the line
> because it has no Midi thru but only out.
> 
> The ada has 64 user patches, the gp has 200 and the
> vf has 202.
> Well, if I press my fc-200 for a patch change all 3
> devices go to the same
> patch.
> The "only" thing I have to do is tweaking each patch
> 'till I'm satisfied.
> 
> CC commands are still possible, just watch out what
> youre sending.
> Also it's possibble to go into the VF's menu, the vf
> doesn't respond to
> programchange messages, youre Cyber Twin will.
> 
> Greetings, hope it's any help/use
> 
> Sjaak in Euroland
> 
> >>I've got a FC-200 and an VF-1 and they both
> function fine.. so far
> >i'm happy.. I want to buy a Fender CyberTwin
> Amplifier and connect
> >the FC-200 to both the VF-1 and the Fender. Looking
> at the manual of
> >the FC-200 there doesn't seem to be an easy way to
> swith Midi
> >channels... Yeah.. power of and change settings,
> but that's not
> >easy.. I wan't to
> >just push a button and change channels..
> >
> 
> 
> 


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Marco,

Yes, I control all devices with one midichannel.

No, I don't know a device that switches the fc-200 easy to another
midichannel.

I would like to have that possibility, but I think it the fc-200 doesnot
have this possibility, pity..
So i worked out the earlier described system.

Just connect the fc to the cybertwin and the vf's midi in to the cybertwin's
midi thru.
Try to find out howmany user patches of both machines you can control using
the fc-200.
And yes there is the possibility of "strange effects", I suggest keep the
volume down, I've had my ears almost blown of by setting up sounds with the
vf in the effectloop.

I don't know the midi setup of the cybertwin but it is possible it doesnot
match (perfectly) with the vf-1midi implementation, take a look at my email
(date 28-10-2001) for the vf's midi stuff.
Well, i'm not so happy with the vf's midisetup, take a look at the manual,
page 103 (dutch version), you might be needing the program change map.

It's not a perfect system, an example: I use 10 patches of my VF-1( which is
in the gp-100's send/return) , they run along and are "finetuned" with the
same numbered patches on my gp-100.
So thath's 10 different sounds.
Due to the midistructure of these machines I have "only" 128 user patches
available/matching on both the vf and the gp which react to the fc-200.
The assignable controls are still availlable.
The vf only has 4, the gp has 16, the fc can handle more so you also can
change things in your cybertwin if it has assignable controls.
But it's a lot tweakingsounds to avoid "strange effects" in your
effectsloop.

It works for me, I think two seperated midi channels could be nice but it
would have someother/the same implications/difficulties

I've been reading something about the cybertwin on the net, looks nice but
how much did you pay and how does it sounds compared to the vf-1 ??


Sjaak.

>Thnx Sjaak!
>
>well the cybertwin has midi thru so that should be no
>problem.. i also understand that the vf-1 has te be at
>the end of the line.. should be no problem either..
>
>but you control all devices via the same midi channel?
>doesn't that mean that you have to reprogram some
>miditables in the vf-1? so that patches respond to
>other midi-commands? for example VF-1 patch 1
>responses to FC-200 bank12/button01 or something like
>that? otherwise as you say all devices swith to the
>same patch.. as the vf-1 will be in the effectsloop of
>the cybertwin wouldn't that give some strange
>effects??
>
>what i was looking for is a device or a possibility in
>the FC-200 to switch from midi channels with the push
>of a button or pedal.. so that both the cybertwin AND
>the vf-1 react to the FC-200 as they would when they
>were alone connect to the FC-200..
>
>so the cybertwin would react to channel 1 and the vf-1
>to channel 2.. and the FC-200 could switch between
>those channels.. if you understand what i mean..?
>
>thnx
>
>Marco
>

Hello Sjaak..

well i don't have the cybertwin yet, but i'm surely
going to buy one.. The adviceprise in the Netherlands
is Fl.5400,- (about \ufffd2500) in America is saw it on
www.music123.com for advice $1700,- (they sold it for
less). The american guitarshop in Enschede
(netherlands) sells it for Fl.4625,- (\ufffd2100). They
have allways got sharp prices..

i downloaded the manual for the cybertwin and read
it.. it looks and sounds really cool
(www.fender.com/cyber) everybody should check this one
out.. 

at the same shop they also told me that there IS a
midi device that's like a A/B switch, so it lets you
change midi channels, but they thought it would cost
about Fl.300,- (they didn't know excactly) don't know
if thats interesting...

i first will see how it works when i have it, then i
will judge what's interesting for me to do.. if the
manual control of the cybertwin is easy and the four
button switch (included) is sufficient, maybe it will
do.. spares some money, cause the cybertwin isn't
cheap.. but i'm sure its valued money..

thnx for your help..

Marco..


--- Sjaak de Vos <sjaakdevos@...> wrote:
>  Marco,
> 
> Yes, I control all devices with one midichannel.
> 
> No, I don't know a device that switches the fc-200
> easy to another
> midichannel.
> 
> I would like to have that possibility, but I think
> it the fc-200 doesnot
> have this possibility, pity..
> So i worked out the earlier described system.
> 
> Just connect the fc to the cybertwin and the vf's
> midi in to the cybertwin's
> midi thru.
> Try to find out howmany user patches of both
> machines you can control using
> the fc-200.
> And yes there is the possibility of "strange
> effects", I suggest keep the
> volume down, I've had my ears almost blown of by
> setting up sounds with the
> vf in the effectloop.
> 
> I don't know the midi setup of the cybertwin but it
> is possible it doesnot
> match (perfectly) with the vf-1midi implementation,
> take a look at my email
> (date 28-10-2001) for the vf's midi stuff.
> Well, i'm not so happy with the vf's midisetup, take
> a look at the manual,
> page 103 (dutch version), you might be needing the
> program change map.
> 
> It's not a perfect system, an example: I use 10
> patches of my VF-1( which is
> in the gp-100's send/return) , they run along and
> are "finetuned" with the
> same numbered patches on my gp-100.
> So thath's 10 different sounds.
> Due to the midistructure of these machines I have
> "only" 128 user patches
> available/matching on both the vf and the gp which
> react to the fc-200.
> The assignable controls are still availlable.
> The vf only has 4, the gp has 16, the fc can handle
> more so you also can
> change things in your cybertwin if it has assignable
> controls.
> But it's a lot tweakingsounds to avoid "strange
> effects" in your
> effectsloop.
> 
> It works for me, I think two seperated midi channels
> could be nice but it
> would have someother/the same
> implications/difficulties
> 
> I've been reading something about the cybertwin on
> the net, looks nice but
> how much did you pay and how does it sounds compared
> to the vf-1 ??
> 
> 
> Sjaak.
> 
> >Thnx Sjaak!
> >
> >well the cybertwin has midi thru so that should be
> no
> >problem.. i also understand that the vf-1 has te be
> at
> >the end of the line.. should be no problem either..
> >
> >but you control all devices via the same midi
> channel?
> >doesn't that mean that you have to reprogram some
> >miditables in the vf-1? so that patches respond to
> >other midi-commands? for example VF-1 patch 1
> >responses to FC-200 bank12/button01 or something
> like
> >that? otherwise as you say all devices swith to the
> >same patch.. as the vf-1 will be in the effectsloop
> of
> >the cybertwin wouldn't that give some strange
> >effects??
> >
> >what i was looking for is a device or a possibility
> in
> >the FC-200 to switch from midi channels with the
> push
> >of a button or pedal.. so that both the cybertwin
> AND
> >the vf-1 react to the FC-200 as they would when
> they
> >were alone connect to the FC-200..
> >
> >so the cybertwin would react to channel 1 and the
> vf-1
> >to channel 2.. and the FC-200 could switch between
> >those channels.. if you understand what i mean..?
> >
> >thnx
> >
> >Marco
> >
> 
> 
> 


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