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Loading patches

2009-08-19 by Doug

Vince and VZers;

   Here is my procedure for loading the patches available here into my VZ-1.
  1) Connect midi cables (in and out)from computer or midi patchbay to VZ-1. Bomes Send SX 1.22 and the VZ talk to one another during loading.
  2) Set all values in Menu 3 on VZ-1 to receive (enable) data, VC+OP, midi channels send and receive to channel 1 (one).
  3) Open Bomes SendSX 1.22 on computer, set midi in and out to your sound card midi ports. Mine is SB Audity ZS Midi IO2 [DC80].
  4) Load .syx file into Bomes Send SX from your folder which has the VZ patch files you downloaded from here.
  5) Press YES to execute load on VZ and F4 on computer to send from Bomes Send SX, in that order.
  6) Enjoy your new sounds in the VZ after loading is complete. 

   Sometimes it is necessary to turn off the VZ after midi exchanges as no sound comes out of the VZ, in my experiences.

   Can anyone please tell me how to create a .syx file from the .vz1 files which the patch editing software creates? Or suggest a really good and easy patch editor for the VZ which creates these .syx files!

   Those of you who own any of the more rare rom cards which casio made for the VZ series would you kindly be willing to share the contents of those cards to the rest of the VZ community? Please post those files for all of us to share and enjoy. 

   I have seen roms cards for The Emerson collection, The Wonder collection, EZ-VZ, and a few others we dont have here. Anyone add to this list, anyone have these rom cards?

   Thanks all. DRFresh.

Re: [CZ-VZ-Files] Loading patches

2009-08-19 by Vince

Doug I can't thank you enough.I have been fooling around with this thing for way too long.A little help from you,and my vz 10m has a new library of sounds to choose from.Midi ox works great thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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--- On Wed, 8/19/09, Doug wrote:

From: Doug
Subject: [CZ-VZ-Files] Loading patches
To: CZ-VZ-Files@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 6:25 AM

Vince and VZers;

Here is my procedure for loading the patches available here into my VZ-1.
1) Connect midi cables (in and out)from computer or midi patchbay to VZ-1. Bomes Send SX 1.22 and the VZ talk to one another during loading.
2) Set all values in Menu 3 on VZ-1 to receive (enable) data, VC+OP, midi channels send and receive to channel 1 (one).
3) Open Bomes SendSX 1.22 on computer, set midi in and out to your sound card midi ports. Mine is SB Audity ZS Midi IO2 [DC80].
4) Load .syx file into Bomes Send SX from your folder which has the VZ patch files you downloaded from here.
5) Press YES to execute load on VZ and F4 on computer to send from Bomes Send SX, in that order.
6) Enjoy your new sounds in the VZ after loading is complete.

Sometimes it is necessary to turn off the VZ after midi exchanges as no sound comes out of the VZ, in my experiences.

Can anyone please tell me how to create a .syx file from the .vz1 files which the patch editing software creates? Or suggest a really good and easy patch editor for the VZ which creates these .syx files!

Those of you who own any of the more rare rom cards which casio made for the VZ series would you kindly be willing to share the contents of those cards to the rest of the VZ community? Please post those files for all of us to share and enjoy.

I have seen roms cards for The Emerson collection, The Wonder collection, EZ-VZ, and a few others we dont have here. Anyone add to this list, anyone have these rom cards?

Thanks all. DRFresh.


Loading patches

2009-08-19 by Doug

--- In CZ-VZ-Files@yahoogroups.com, Vince <vbrotz62@...> wrote:
>
> Doug I can't thank you enough.I have been fooling around with this thing for way too long.A little help from you,and my vz 10m has a new library of sounds to choose from.Midi ox works great thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vince;

    Did you use MidiOx or did you use Bomes SendSX as I mentioned. I have used MidiOx briefly to monitor the messages the VZ is sending but I couldn't figure out how to load a bank into MidiOx and send it to the VZ. If you are using MidiOx would you care to describe your procedure to me, I guess I didnt spend enough time with it to figure it out. Thanks.

DRFresh

Re: [CZ-VZ-Files] Loading patches

2009-08-19 by Vince

I used the midi ox,exactly as you said.I did a search for bomes midi ox.I downloaded it,and hooked up my sy77 to one usb port.Than with another set of usb cables hooked the VZ10m to another usb port.I configured the in from the sy77,and the out to the VZ10m.I loaded cliffs set1 into midi ox set menu 3 to load/midi/vc+op execute and yes.It worked great.I have tried a couple of patchbays for midi,and it was way to hard to set up multiple keyboards,and sound modules.This was by far the simplest setup.Thank you again.
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--- On Wed, 8/19/09, Doug wrote:

From: Doug
Subject: [CZ-VZ-Files] Loading patches
To: CZ-VZ-Files@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 9:10 AM

--- In CZ-VZ-Files@ yahoogroups. com, Vince wrote:
>
> Doug I can't thank you enough.I have been fooling around with this thing for way too long.A little help from you,and my vz 10m has a new library of sounds to choose from.Midi ox works great thank you!!!!!!!!! !!!!

Vince;

Did you use MidiOx or did you use Bomes SendSX as I mentioned. I have used MidiOx briefly to monitor the messages the VZ is sending but I couldn't figure out how to load a bank into MidiOx and send it to the VZ. If you are using MidiOx would you care to describe your procedure to me, I guess I didnt spend enough time with it to figure it out. Thanks.

DRFresh


Re: [CZ-VZ-Files] Loading patches

2009-08-19 by Vince

I want to thank Cliff.The patch d2 Sounds just like Alan Parsons The Eagle will rise again.It made my day.
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--- On Wed, 8/19/09, Doug wrote:

From: Doug
Subject: [CZ-VZ-Files] Loading patches
To: CZ-VZ-Files@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 9:10 AM

--- In CZ-VZ-Files@ yahoogroups. com, Vince >
> Doug I can't thank you enough.I have been fooling around with this thing for way too long.A little help from you,and my vz 10m has a new library of sounds to choose from.Midi ox works great thank you!!!!!!!!! !!!!

Vince;

Did you use MidiOx or did you use Bomes SendSX as I mentioned. I have used MidiOx briefly to monitor the messages the VZ is sending but I couldn't figure out how to load a bank into MidiOx and send it to the VZ. If you are using MidiOx would you care to describe your procedure to me, I guess I didnt spend enough time with it to figure it out. Thanks.

DRFresh


Re: Loading patches

2009-08-19 by Clifton Bryant

This is wonderful and you are quite welcome. It's always encouraging to hear positive feedback and i may be working on one or few more snds sometimes later. Im glad to hear that you really enjoyed them and I thank you also.

--- In CZ-VZ-Files@yahoogroups.com, Vince <vbrotz62@...> wrote:
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>
> I want to thank Cliff.The patch d2 Sounds just like Alan Parsons The Eagle will rise again.It made my day.
> 
> --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Doug <doug_francis@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Doug <doug_francis@...>
> Subject: [CZ-VZ-Files] Loading patches
> To: CZ-VZ-Files@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 9:10 AM
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> --- In CZ-VZ-Files@ yahoogroups. com, Vince <vbrotz62@ .> wrote:
> >
> > Doug I can't thank you enough.I have been fooling around with this thing for way too long.A little help from you,and my vz 10m has a new library of sounds to choose from.Midi ox works great thank you!!!!!!!!! !!!!
> 
> Vince;
> 
> Did you use MidiOx or did you use Bomes SendSX as I mentioned. I have used MidiOx briefly to monitor the messages the VZ is sending but I couldn't figure out how to load a bank into MidiOx and send it to the VZ. If you are using MidiOx would you care to describe your procedure to me, I guess I didnt spend enough time with it to figure it out. Thanks.
> 
> DRFresh
>

Re: [CZ-VZ-Files] Re: Loading patches

2009-08-19 by Vince

I'm having the time of my life.The sy77 and the vz10m sound unbelievable when you mix the 2 togather in layers.I cannot believe how full and rich the 2 sound togather.On top of it I have the sy77 in quadraphonic ,so the pans are swirling around me.
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--- On Wed, 8/19/09, Clifton Bryant wrote:

From: Clifton Bryant
Subject: [CZ-VZ-Files] Re: Loading patches
To: CZ-VZ-Files@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 11:39 AM

This is wonderful and you are quite welcome. It's always encouraging to hear positive feedback and i may be working on one or few more snds sometimes later. Im glad to hear that you really enjoyed them and I thank you also.

--- In CZ-VZ-Files@ yahoogroups. com, Vince wrote:
>
> I want to thank Cliff.The patch d2 Sounds just like Alan Parsons The Eagle will rise again.It made my day.
>
> --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Doug wrote:
>
>
> From: Doug
> Subject: [CZ-VZ-Files] Loading patches
> To: CZ-VZ-Files@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 9:10 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In CZ-VZ-Files@ yahoogroups. com, Vince wrote:
> >
> > Doug I can't thank you enough.I have been fooling around with this thing for way too long.A little help from you,and my vz 10m has a new library of sounds to choose from.Midi ox works great thank you!!!!!!!!! !!!!
>
> Vince;
>
> Did you use MidiOx or did you use Bomes SendSX as I mentioned. I have used MidiOx briefly to monitor the messages the VZ is sending but I couldn't figure out how to load a bank into MidiOx and send it to the VZ. If you are using MidiOx would you care to describe your procedure to me, I guess I didnt spend enough time with it to figure it out. Thanks.
>
> DRFresh
>


Quadraphonic

2009-08-19 by Doug

--- In CZ-VZ-Files@yahoogroups.com, Vince <vbrotz62@...> wrote:
>
> I'm having the time of my life.The sy77 and the vz10m sound unbelievable when you mix the 2 togather in layers.I cannot believe how full and rich the 2 sound togather.On top of it I have the sy77 in quadraphonic ,so the pans are swirling around me.


Vince,  I thought that if you used the two seperate outputs in the rear of the VZ instead of the mix output you could set up different panning scenarios and get a sort of quadraphonic output from the VZ as well! Just a thought.

DRFresh

What the ?

2009-08-19 by Doug

VZers;

    Anyone care to comment on the photos located in this groups albums? Someone please post some actual pics of your VZ's or rigs that contain a VZ. Gear pron is requested.

DRFresh

Re: [CZ-VZ-Files] What the ?

2009-08-19 by Summa

Not sure what to do with this harmless private pictures, anyone want 
me to keep them online until he or she is able to download and backup 
them?

On 19 Aug 2009 at 18:00, Doug wrote:

> VZers;
> 
>     Anyone care to comment on the photos located in this groups
> albums? Someone please post some actual pics of your VZ's or rigs
> that contain a VZ. Gear pron is requested.
> 
> DRFresh
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: What the ?

2009-08-19 by Doug

--- In CZ-VZ-Files@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@...> wrote:
>
> Not sure what to do with this harmless private pictures, anyone want 
> me to keep them online until he or she is able to download and backup 
> them?

Summa;

     They are over plus years old, I think it is safe to just trash them, if not, their loss, not ours. The keyboard pictured is a Roland anyways and there are no really HOT chicks in the pics so not worth saving. My $0.02.

DRFresh

fzfan: Thanks, I have those instructions on the STEem engine, never got it to work right. Followed those step by step instructions you listed previously, when you are trying various scenarios like I have you get to be pretty intimate with the VZ, and have not had any success until I came across Bomes Send SX 1.22 and pretty much right away I got that to work correctly with the VZ.

Re: [CZ-VZ-Files] Quadraphonic

2009-08-19 by Vince

It does have a digital out,and the separate left and right.I haven't tried that yet.I'm short a lot of inputs till I get my mixer board back up.Luckily I have a lot of amplifiers.
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--- On Wed, 8/19/09, Doug wrote:

From: Doug
Subject: [CZ-VZ-Files] Quadraphonic
To: CZ-VZ-Files@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 12:54 PM

--- In CZ-VZ-Files@ yahoogroups. com, Vince wrote:
>
> I'm having the time of my life.The sy77 and the vz10m sound unbelievable when you mix the 2 togather in layers.I cannot believe how full and rich the 2 sound togather.On top of it I have the sy77 in quadraphonic ,so the pans are swirling around me.

Vince, I thought that if you used the two seperate outputs in the rear of the VZ instead of the mix output you could set up different panning scenarios and get a sort of quadraphonic output from the VZ as well! Just a thought.

DRFresh


Re: [CZ-VZ-Files] Loading patches

2009-08-19 by Vince

I am having a midi buffer full problem.I tried a midi dump,and recieved it just fine , but when I try to load another bank I get an error "Load error check system".I checked everything in menu 3 , but found nothing out of place except for midi buffer is full.There is a button next to the card slot that reads "midi clear" I tried that , but buffer still full .Can you help?
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--- On Wed, 8/19/09, Doug wrote:

From: Doug
Subject: [CZ-VZ-Files] Loading patches
To: CZ-VZ-Files@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 9:10 AM

--- In CZ-VZ-Files@ yahoogroups. com, Vince wrote:
>
> Doug I can't thank you enough.I have been fooling around with this thing for way too long.A little help from you,and my vz 10m has a new library of sounds to choose from.Midi ox works great thank you!!!!!!!!! !!!!

Vince;

Did you use MidiOx or did you use Bomes SendSX as I mentioned. I have used MidiOx briefly to monitor the messages the VZ is sending but I couldn't figure out how to load a bank into MidiOx and send it to the VZ. If you are using MidiOx would you care to describe your procedure to me, I guess I didnt spend enough time with it to figure it out. Thanks.

DRFresh


Re: [CZ-VZ-Files] Loading patches

2009-08-20 by Summa

MIDI OX might send data too fast, their are certain parameters you 
can try to tweak, like increasing Delay after F7...

On 19 Aug 2009 at 14:25, Vince wrote:

> I am having a midi buffer full problem.I tried a midi dump,and recieved it
> just fine , but when I try to load another bank I get an error "Load error
> check system".I checked everything in menu 3 , but found nothing out of
> place except for midi buffer is full.There is a button next to the card
> slot that reads "midi clear" I tried that , but buffer still full .Can you
> help?


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Re: Loading patches

2009-08-20 by fzfan26116161

Daisy-chaining (midi) VZ-8Ms also cause errors receiving midi data. 

TROUBLE SHOOTING VZ ERROR MESSAGES:
---------------------------------------------------------------
Message: --TRANS ERROR--- | CHECK SYSTEM!
Problem: Data channel <> VZ receive channel
Solution: Change VZ channel to match sysex file data.
Hint: most banks I have seen (but not all) use channel 1

Message: --MIDI ERROR--- | RECEIVE ERROR
Problem: Data type transmitted <> Data type expected
Solution: Select proper data type when loading data type into VZ.
---------------------------------------------------------------


 

--- In CZ-VZ-Files@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@...> wrote:
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>
> MIDI OX might send data too fast, their are certain parameters you 
> can try to tweak, like increasing Delay after F7...
> 
> On 19 Aug 2009 at 14:25, Vince wrote:
> 
> > I am having a midi buffer full problem.I tried a midi dump,and recieved it
> > just fine , but when I try to load another bank I get an error "Load error
> > check system".I checked everything in menu 3 , but found nothing out of
> > place except for midi buffer is full.There is a button next to the card
> > slot that reads "midi clear" I tried that , but buffer still full .Can you
> > help?

Re: What the ?

2009-08-20 by fzfan26116161

It looks like someone was using the files section to share or just store the pix. Oddly enough the pictures was posted in 2004, they are dated 2002, and the member joined in 2008.

If you wanted, you could be nice and try to contact the poster before deleting them.

The synth isn't even a Casio; neither is the sax!!!


--- In CZ-VZ-Files@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@...> wrote:
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>
> Not sure what to do with this harmless private pictures, anyone want 
> me to keep them online until he or she is able to download and backup 
> them?
> 
> On 19 Aug 2009 at 18:00, Doug wrote:
> 
> > VZers;
> > 
> >     Anyone care to comment on the photos located in this groups
> > albums? Someone please post some actual pics of your VZ's or rigs
> > that contain a VZ. Gear pron is requested.
> > 
> > DRFresh
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------
> > 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> CZ/VZ 		mailing list	: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth
> FMHeaven	mailing list	: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/
> FS1R 		mailing list	: http://www.ampfea.org/mailman/listinfo/fss-list
> Vokator		mailing list	: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator
> FM-Synthesis    mailing list         : 
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/fm-synthesis/
> 
> http://www.summasounds.de/
>

Re: What the ?

2009-08-20 by fzfan26116161

--- In CZ-VZ-Files@yahoogroups.com, "Doug" <doug_francis@...> wrote:

> fzfan: Thanks, I have those instructions on the STEem engine, never got it to work right. Followed those step by step instructions you listed previously, when you are trying various scenarios like I have you get to be pretty intimate with the VZ, and have not had any success until I came across Bomes Send SX 1.22 and pretty much right away I got that to work correctly with the VZ.

I don't think I ever tried Bomes, though I have seen others mention it. Glad to hear that it works with your setup.

As for Steem, I don't even know if I still have it. Just for the fun of it, if I can find it I will give it a try.  The one thing I remember doing is creating patch names with reverse characters. I am not sure if I used Steem for that or just edited each patch by hand in Window's "debug" utility. I seem to recall that the VZ character set includes some Japanese characters as well as a complete set of reverse English characters.

Re: [CZ-VZ-Files] Re: What the ?

2009-08-20 by Summa

I'll check on this later, due to the heat I'm currently running on 
reserve energy only... ;)

On 20 Aug 2009 at 13:48, fzfan26116161 wrote:

> It looks like someone was using the files section to share or just
> store the pix. Oddly enough the pictures was posted in 2004, they
> are dated 2002, and the member joined in 2008.
> 
> If you wanted, you could be nice and try to contact the poster
> before deleting them.
> 
> The synth isn't even a Casio; neither is the sax!!!
> 
> 
> --- In CZ-VZ-Files@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@...> wrote:
> >
> > Not sure what to do with this harmless private pictures, anyone
> want 
> > me to keep them online until he or she is able to download and
> backup 
> > them?
> > 
> > On 19 Aug 2009 at 18:00, Doug wrote:
> > 
> > > VZers;
> > > 
> > >     Anyone care to comment on the photos located in this
> groups
> > > albums? Someone please post some actual pics of your VZ's or
> rigs
> > > that contain a VZ. Gear pron is requested.
> > > 
> > > DRFresh
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ------------------------------------
> > > 
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > CZ/VZ 		mailing list	: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth
> > FMHeaven	mailing list	: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/
> > FS1R 		mailing list	:
> http://www.ampfea.org/mailman/listinfo/fss-list
> > Vokator		mailing list	: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator
> > FM-Synthesis    mailing list         : 
> > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/fm-synthesis/
> > 
> > http://www.summasounds.de/
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 


-- 

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FMHeaven	mailing list	: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/
FS1R 		mailing list	: http://www.ampfea.org/mailman/listinfo/fss-list
Vokator		mailing list	: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator
FM-Synthesis    mailing list         : 
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http://www.summasounds.de/

Re: [CZ-VZ-Files] Re: Loading patches

2009-08-20 by Vince

The thing is I'm not daisy chaining them.Even when I have 1 usb midi interface hooked up ,I'm still getting midi buffer full.I went through the whole manual,Either I'm blind or there is nothing about it in the manual.The only thing that helps is to initialize it,but after I load a bank same thing.Any suggestions?
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--- On Thu, 8/20/09, fzfan26116161 wrote:

From: fzfan26116161
Subject: [CZ-VZ-Files] Re: Loading patches
To: CZ-VZ-Files@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 8:33 AM

Daisy-chaining (midi) VZ-8Ms also cause errors receiving midi data.

TROUBLE SHOOTING VZ ERROR MESSAGES:
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
Message: --TRANS ERROR--- | CHECK SYSTEM!
Problem: Data channel <> VZ receive channel
Solution: Change VZ channel to match sysex file data.
Hint: most banks I have seen (but not all) use channel 1

Message: --MIDI ERROR--- | RECEIVE ERROR
Problem: Data type transmitted <> Data type expected
Solution: Select proper data type when loading data type into VZ.
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

--- In CZ-VZ-Files@ yahoogroups. com, "Summa" wrote:
>
> MIDI OX might send data too fast, their are certain parameters you
> can try to tweak, like increasing Delay after F7...
>
> On 19 Aug 2009 at 14:25, Vince wrote:
>
> > I am having a midi buffer full problem.I tried a midi dump,and recieved it
> > just fine , but when I try to load another bank I get an error "Load error
> > check system".I checked everything in menu 3 , but found nothing out of
> > place except for midi buffer is full.There is a button next to the card
> > slot that reads "midi clear" I tried that , but buffer still full .Can you
> > help?


Re: Loading patches

2009-08-21 by epitaph68

--- In CZ-VZ-Files@yahoogroups.com, Vince <vbrotz62@...> wrote:
>
> The thing is I'm not daisy chaining them.Even when I have 1 usb midi interface hooked up ,I'm still getting midi buffer full.I went through the whole manual,Either I'm blind or there is nothing about it in the manual.The only thing that helps is to initialize it,but after I load a bank same thing.Any suggestions?

Vince;

    You need a Sham-WOW, just kidding. I had a similiar problem when I first tried loading and had the VZ-1 hooked up using the midi out from my Audigy2 Soundblaster into one of my Digital MX-8 midi patchbays then onto the VZ-1 midi ports. The midi buffer of the MX-8 patchbay would fill up and I would get the same error on the VZ-1 you are getting. By going stright out of the computer into the VZ-1 I was able to bypass the MX-8 and all was well. I would say that something similiar is going on with the midi to usb conversion going on on your setup. Anyway to reroute your midi connections to your computer? Dont forget that the VZ and your computer talk back and forth during the data exchange, not just out from the computer and in on the VZ, you need the out from the VZ back into the computer. The manual notes that when you are doing this (Loading Voice and Operational patches)it is mimicking the process that you would take if you were hooking two VZ's together, (your computer being the second VZ). I don't know if this helps but maybe gives you more to think about.

DRFresh

Re: Loading patches

2009-08-21 by fzfan26116161

DRFResh--I love the idea of sham-WOW absorbing all the sysex data that seems to go no where except spilling out all over into the data stream.  Great image!!

Vince--I have some other thoughts, but if you can try DRFResh's suggestion, give that a try.

As for the two way communication, I'd have to check, but I don't think you need that. I load sysex banks into Cakewalk sequencing software and can send the bank to the VZ without the two-way dance.

I usually get midi buffer full error on gear (not just the VZ) if the the sysex is being pumped out too fast. In the Cakewalk software there are configuation/initialization settings that can change the rate, insert delays in between sysex data packets, etc. I don't know if you can do that in Bome's or Midi-Ox.

Sometimes people create midi files with the sysex data "played" over time. This can be used to slow down the sysex data. If you want, name one of the uploaded files, and I will see if I can create a midi file of the sysex data. Of course, you will need some way to "play" the file. If you don't have a sequencer, but you do have Windows Media Player, you might be able to use that--at least I did it on a Win98 computer. All I did was direct the midi output of the player to the midiport instead of a synth engine. Also, I thought the Midi-ox people had a simple midi player (midibar?).

I have some other thoughts, but I hope these some of these options will work for you.



 

--- In CZ-VZ-Files@yahoogroups.com, "epitaph68" <doug_francis@...> wrote:
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> --- In CZ-VZ-Files@yahoogroups.com, Vince <vbrotz62@> wrote:
> >
> > The thing is I'm not daisy chaining them.Even when I have 1 usb midi interface hooked up ,I'm still getting midi buffer full.I went through the whole manual,Either I'm blind or there is nothing about it in the manual.The only thing that helps is to initialize it,but after I load a bank same thing.Any suggestions?
> 
> Vince;
> 
>     You need a Sham-WOW, just kidding. I had a similiar problem when I first tried loading and had the VZ-1 hooked up using the midi out from my Audigy2 Soundblaster into one of my Digital MX-8 midi patchbays then onto the VZ-1 midi ports. The midi buffer of the MX-8 patchbay would fill up and I would get the same error on the VZ-1 you are getting. By going stright out of the computer into the VZ-1 I was able to bypass the MX-8 and all was well. I would say that something similiar is going on with the midi to usb conversion going on on your setup. Anyway to reroute your midi connections to your computer? Dont forget that the VZ and your computer talk back and forth during the data exchange, not just out from the computer and in on the VZ, you need the out from the VZ back into the computer. The manual notes that when you are doing this (Loading Voice and Operational patches)it is mimicking the process that you would take if you were hooking two VZ's together, (your computer being the second VZ). I don't know if this helps but maybe gives you more to think about.
> 
> DRFresh
>

Re: [CZ-VZ-Files] Re: Loading patches

2009-08-22 by Vince

One thing I would like to find out is if you were to use a rom card would this change the midi buffer full problem.Instead of trying to overwrite the internal memory
,the ram card is the destination for the new patches.I don't have a card to test it,if I did I should be able to access 128 sounds instead of only 64.Is this correct or am I wrong?Will this solve my midi buffer full problem.
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--- On Fri, 8/21/09, epitaph68 wrote:

From: epitaph68
Subject: [CZ-VZ-Files] Re: Loading patches
To: CZ-VZ-Files@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 8:06 AM

--- In CZ-VZ-Files@ yahoogroups. com, Vince wrote:
>
> The thing is I'm not daisy chaining them.Even when I have 1 usb midi interface hooked up ,I'm still getting midi buffer full.I went through the whole manual,Either I'm blind or there is nothing about it in the manual.The only thing that helps is to initialize it,but after I load a bank same thing.Any suggestions?

Vince;

You need a Sham-WOW, just kidding. I had a similiar problem when I first tried loading and had the VZ-1 hooked up using the midi out from my Audigy2 Soundblaster into one of my Digital MX-8 midi patchbays then onto the VZ-1 midi ports. The midi buffer of the MX-8 patchbay would fill up and I would get the same error on the VZ-1 you are getting. By going stright out of the computer into the VZ-1 I was able to bypass the MX-8 and all was well. I would say that something similiar is going on with the midi to usb conversion going on on your setup. Anyway to reroute your midi connections to your computer? Dont forget that the VZ and your computer talk back and forth during the data exchange, not just out from the computer and in on the VZ, you need the out from the VZ back into the computer. The manual notes that when you are doing this (Loading Voice and Operational patches)it is mimicking the process that you would take if you were hooking two VZ's together, (your computer being the second VZ). I don't know if this helps but maybe gives you more to think about.

DRFresh


Re: Loading patches

2009-08-22 by fzfan26116161

This morning I looked at my VZ-8m and wondered the same thing--would having a RAM Card be helpful to you. (I don't have one. I don't recall seeing them for sale on e-bay, except perhaps once, and the price was very high.)

Even so, with the card you could store the patches you created, but as for uploading others, you'd still have to get them into your VZ.

I haven't had a chance to try creating a midi file with one of the VZ banks. Do you have a way to "play" a midi file to your VZ? If so, is there a specific bank you'd like me to try converting?

As for the number of presets you'd be able to access with a card, I am not sure. I know that the VZ-8m has 3 build-in banks of 64 patches and 64 op-mems: INT, PST1, PST2. PST 1 & PST 2 are accessible from ROM. By using the SHIFT button, the display and choices (A-1 . . . H-8) shift from INT, to PST1, to PST2, and bank to INT.

There is a little trick with the VZ-8m where you can send a sysex SHIFT command to determine the source for patch changes 64..127. In other words, for example, 0..63 can be INT and 64..127 can be PST2.

The VZ-8m only has a max of 8 voices, but it might be easier to find than a VZ RAM card. 

Not sure this helps, but maybe. 

--- In CZ-VZ-Files@yahoogroups.com, Vince <vbrotz62@...> wrote:
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>
> One thing I would like to find out is if you were to use a rom card would this change the midi buffer full problem.Instead of trying to overwrite the internal memory
> ,the ram card is the destination for the new patches.I don't have a card to test it,if I did I should be able to access 128 sounds instead of only 64.Is this correct or am I wrong?Will this solve my midi buffer full problem.
> --- On Fri, 8/21/09, epitaph68 <doug_francis@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: epitaph68 <doug_francis@...>
> Subject: [CZ-VZ-Files] Re: Loading patches
> To: CZ-VZ-Files@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 8:06 AM
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> --- In CZ-VZ-Files@ yahoogroups. com, Vince <vbrotz62@ .> wrote:
> >
> > The thing is I'm not daisy chaining them.Even when I have 1 usb midi interface hooked up ,I'm still getting midi buffer full.I went through the whole manual,Either I'm blind or there is nothing about it in the manual.The only thing that helps is to initialize it,but after I load a bank same thing.Any suggestions?
> 
> Vince;
> 
> You need a Sham-WOW, just kidding. I had a similiar problem when I first tried loading and had the VZ-1 hooked up using the midi out from my Audigy2 Soundblaster into one of my Digital MX-8 midi patchbays then onto the VZ-1 midi ports. The midi buffer of the MX-8 patchbay would fill up and I would get the same error on the VZ-1 you are getting. By going stright out of the computer into the VZ-1 I was able to bypass the MX-8 and all was well. I would say that something similiar is going on with the midi to usb conversion going on on your setup. Anyway to reroute your midi connections to your computer? Dont forget that the VZ and your computer talk back and forth during the data exchange, not just out from the computer and in on the VZ, you need the out from the VZ back into the computer. The manual notes that when you are doing this (Loading Voice and Operational patches)it is mimicking the process that you would take if you were hooking two VZ's
>  together, (your computer being the second VZ). I don't know if this helps but maybe gives you more to think about.
> 
> DRFresh
>

Re: [CZ-VZ-Files] Re: Loading patches

2009-08-22 by Vince

I Don't have a shift button on the vz10m.I might try to find a ram card to see if it helps.I can upload ,but I have to turn the power button off,and then on to access the new bank.
Otherwise I get the midi buffer full message.
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--- On Sat, 8/22/09, fzfan26116161 wrote:

From: fzfan26116161
Subject: [CZ-VZ-Files] Re: Loading patches
To: CZ-VZ-Files@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 1:09 PM

This morning I looked at my VZ-8m and wondered the same thing--would having a RAM Card be helpful to you. (I don't have one. I don't recall seeing them for sale on e-bay, except perhaps once, and the price was very high.)

Even so, with the card you could store the patches you created, but as for uploading others, you'd still have to get them into your VZ.

I haven't had a chance to try creating a midi file with one of the VZ banks. Do you have a way to "play" a midi file to your VZ? If so, is there a specific bank you'd like me to try converting?

As for the number of presets you'd be able to access with a card, I am not sure. I know that the VZ-8m has 3 build-in banks of 64 patches and 64 op-mems: INT, PST1, PST2. PST 1 & PST 2 are accessible from ROM. By using the SHIFT button, the display and choices (A-1 . . . H-8) shift from INT, to PST1, to PST2, and bank to INT.

There is a little trick with the VZ-8m where you can send a sysex SHIFT command to determine the source for patch changes 64..127. In other words, for example, 0..63 can be INT and 64..127 can be PST2.

The VZ-8m only has a max of 8 voices, but it might be easier to find than a VZ RAM card.

Not sure this helps, but maybe.

--- In CZ-VZ-Files@ yahoogroups. com, Vince wrote:
>
> One thing I would like to find out is if you were to use a rom card would this change the midi buffer full problem.Instead of trying to overwrite the internal memory
> ,the ram card is the destination for the new patches.I don't have a card to test it,if I did I should be able to access 128 sounds instead of only 64.Is this correct or am I wrong?Will this solve my midi buffer full problem.
> --- On Fri, 8/21/09, epitaph68 wrote:
>
>
> From: epitaph68
> Subject: [CZ-VZ-Files] Re: Loading patches
> To: CZ-VZ-Files@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 8:06 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In CZ-VZ-Files@ yahoogroups. com, Vince <vbrotz62@ .> wrote:
> >
> > The thing is I'm not daisy chaining them.Even when I have 1 usb midi interface hooked up ,I'm still getting midi buffer full.I went through the whole manual,Either I'm blind or there is nothing about it in the manual.The only thing that helps is to initialize it,but after I load a bank same thing.Any suggestions?
>
> Vince;
>
> You need a Sham-WOW, just kidding. I had a similiar problem when I first tried loading and had the VZ-1 hooked up using the midi out from my Audigy2 Soundblaster into one of my Digital MX-8 midi patchbays then onto the VZ-1 midi ports. The midi buffer of the MX-8 patchbay would fill up and I would get the same error on the VZ-1 you are getting. By going stright out of the computer into the VZ-1 I was able to bypass the MX-8 and all was well. I would say that something similiar is going on with the midi to usb conversion going on on your setup. Anyway to reroute your midi connections to your computer? Dont forget that the VZ and your computer talk back and forth during the data exchange, not just out from the computer and in on the VZ, you need the out from the VZ back into the computer. The manual notes that when you are doing this (Loading Voice and Operational patches)it is mimicking the process that you would take if you were hooking two VZ's
> together, (your computer being the second VZ). I don't know if this helps but maybe gives you more to think about.
>
> DRFresh
>


Re: Loading patches

2009-08-22 by fzfan26116161

This may be a long shot, but give it a try. After the dump, send the close command to your VZ (F0 44 03 00 7N 71 F7). Maybe this will keep you from having to power down to enjoy the uploaded banks.

F0 44 03 00 7N 51 DD F7 is basically the Card Change command (and the Shift Change command on the VZ-8m). On the VZ-8m, which has additional banks built in, the values for DD are as follows: 20 = PST1, 21=PST2, 40=INT. With other VZs that only have banks on cards, the command lets you switch between card banks (DD= 00 --> 03).


--- In CZ-VZ-Files@yahoogroups.com, Vince <vbrotz62@...> wrote:
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> I Don't have a shift button on the vz10m.I  might try to find a ram card to see if it helps.I can upload ,but I have to turn the power button off,and then on to access the new bank.
> Otherwise I get the midi buffer full message.
> --- On Sat, 8/22/09, fzfan26116161 <smw-mail@...> wrote:
> 
>

Re: [CZ-VZ-Files] Re: Loading patches

2009-08-23 by Vince

I tried it,but still the same results.I'll just have to power down after I change banks.I'm at least able to change banks , and that is a huge plus as far as I'm concerned .I thank you for your effort.
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--- On Sat, 8/22/09, fzfan26116161 wrote:

From: fzfan26116161
Subject: [CZ-VZ-Files] Re: Loading patches
To: CZ-VZ-Files@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 4:50 PM

;
This may be a long shot, but give it a try. After the dump, send the close command to your VZ (F0 44 03 00 7N 71 F7). Maybe this will keep you from having to power down to enjoy the uploaded banks.

F0 44 03 00 7N 51 DD F7 is basically the Card Change command (and the Shift Change command on the VZ-8m). On the VZ-8m, which has additional banks built in, the values for DD are as follows: 20 = PST1, 21=PST2, 40=INT. With other VZs that only have banks on cards, the command lets you switch between card banks (DD= 00 --> 03).

--- In CZ-VZ-Files@ yahoogroups. com, Vince >
> I Don't have a shift button on the vz10m.I might try to find a ram card to see if it helps.I can upload ,but I have to turn the power button off,and then on to access the new bank.
> Otherwise I get the midi buffer full message.
> --- On Sat, 8/22/09, fzfan26116161 wrote:
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>


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