Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

you guys are off topic and what does this have to do with the original thread?
charles]


--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>
> yes the mono tribe is pure analog electronics
> 
> but descrete analog electronics is the way to go and easy to repair and get parts for but the use 4-5 times the amount of components but they are matches better
> 
> and provide superior sound
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Jason Adkins 
>   To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:47 PM
>   Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
> 
> 
>     
>   Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try and 
>   reply or argue with that.
>   My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I believe 
>   is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly 
>   sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139 new I 
>   have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and moog's + 
>   others and this is equally nice.
> 
>   J
> 
>   On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote:
> 
>   > it was becuase every thing went digital
>   >
>   > the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and 01w
>   >
>   > they were pure digital machines with no res filter
>   >
>   > the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters
>   >
>   > ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters with 
>   > digital osc
>   >
>   > but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital synths 
>   > and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly 
>   > synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog vca
>   >
>   > this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great
>   >
>   > so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters
>   >
>   > doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one 
>   > thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing 
>   > fast enough
>   >
>   > and you get samples in time delay for feed back
>   >
>   > unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input
>   >
>   > with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the begining 
>   > which adds latency
>   >
>   > roland did it but it was good but analog it was not
>   >
>   > casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital control 
>   > by cpu and analog audio path
>   >
>   > all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu control 
>   > the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled and 
>   > they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN
>   >
>   > the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and 
>   > hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters
>   >
>   > this was first done on an 8bit system
>   >
>   > thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a little 
>   > steppy
>   >
>   > the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit 
>   > dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000 it 
>   > was left as 8bits and is very steppy
>   >
>   > for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital 
>   > and a new analog filter
>   >
>   > out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series 
>   > samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best
>   >
>   > yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths
>   >
>   > as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/ 
>   > asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs can 
>   > do
>   >
>   > i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1
>   >
>   > i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could do 
>   > the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding
>   >
>   > and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the fealing 
>   > of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves 
>   > losing all the detail of the wavetable
>   >
>   > even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did 
>   > not use res
>   >
>   > the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the table 
>   > with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used sin/ 
>   > tri/square/saw noise waves
>   >
>   > i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you can 
>   > do some neat filter tricks
>   >
>   > i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having the 
>   > 135mb optical drives
>   >
>   > i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks
>   >
>   > and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that
>   >
>   > i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware sequencer
>   >
>   > kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack
>   >
>   > tx16w
>   >
>   > the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex
>   >
>   > the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file support
>   >
>   > EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2
>   >
>   > i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII
>   >
>   > but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second 
>   > hand mula
>   >
>   > i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can add 
>   > your own
>   >
>   > being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers and 
>   > get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments
>   >
>   > the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do very 
>   > good synth type sounds
>   >
>   > the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter 
>   > and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1 and 
>   > was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this
>   >
>   > yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 key 
>   > sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 filter 
>   > with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod wheel 
>   > made it so much fatter with doing chords
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: Jason Adkins
>   > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>   > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM
>   > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > Hiya,
>   >
>   > I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad.
>   > I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the
>   > DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did they
>   > release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they didn't
>   > want to take sales away from the DSS-1?
>   >
>   > J
>   >
>   > On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote:
>   >
>   >> yes but the akai are so clinical digital
>   >>
>   >> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog filters
>   >> and they are warm
>   >>
>   >> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and
>   >> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res
>   >> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital synths
>   >> through it
>   >>
>   >> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION
>   >>
>   >> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter
>   >> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this
>   >> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the
>   >> matrix12
>   >>
>   >> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in fzf
>   >> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what
>   >> waveshapes you want
>   >>
>   >> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg 
>   >> series
>   >>
>   >> same for the uwave and the uwavext
>   >>
>   >> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq
>   >>
>   >> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range
>   >>
>   >> the prophet vs including my user waves
>   >>
>   >> the kawai k3 k1/k4/
>   >>
>   >> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths
>   >>
>   >> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered with
>   >> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches
>   >>
>   >> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers by
>   >> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves lower
>   >> you can get very fat sounds
>   >>
>   >> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled but
>   >> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the dco
>   >> of the roland series
>   >>
>   >> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune control
>   >> ----- Original Message -----
>   >> From: Jason Adkins
>   >> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>   >> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM
>   >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>   >>
>   >>
>   >>
>   >> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie.
>   >> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as good
>   >> as
>   >> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without
>   >> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love the
>   >> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue
>   >> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder everybody
>   >> and
>   >> his wife bought an Akai.
>   >>
>   >> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some interesting
>   >> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again).
>   >>
>   >> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on match of
>   >> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for the
>   >> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today.
>   >>
>   >> J
>   >>
>   >> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote:
>   >>
>   >>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs
>   >>>
>   >>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the near
>   >>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card
>   >>>
>   >>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks
>   >>>
>   >>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it
>   >>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy
>   >>>
>   >>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog
>   >>> filters
>   >>>
>   >>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy to
>   >>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and adding a
>   >>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc becuase
>   >>> you need 7v for that
>   >>>
>   >>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv
>   >>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any midi
>   >>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s
>   >>>
>   >>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials but
>   >>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style
>   >>>
>   >>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set
>   >>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes and
>   >>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a
>   >>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg
>   >>> wavetables
>   >>>
>   >>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it or
>   >>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to use
>   >>> the same single cycle additive waveform
>   >>>
>   >>> for slot one and the end slot
>   >>>
>   >>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and it
>   >>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd
>   >>>
>   >>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari
>   >>>
>   >>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and atari
>   >>>
>   >>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like this
>   >>> and made it easy for looping
>   >>>
>   >>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep them
>   >>> like the ppg
>   >>>
>   >>> i have done all the ppg
>   >>>
>   >>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg
>   >>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle
>   >>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image
>   >>>
>   >>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis
>   >>> ----- Original Message -----
>   >>> From: Jason Adkins
>   >>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>   >>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM
>   >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>   >>>
>   >>>
>   >>>
>   >>> Hi Jammie,
>   >>>
>   >>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here 
>   >>> has
>   >>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to.
>   >>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I used 
>   >>> to
>   >>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things 
>   >>> are
>   >>> f**king huge.
>   >>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS?
>   >>>
>   >>> J
>   >>>
>   >>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote:
>   >>>
>   >>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers the 
>   >>>> k3
>   >>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin synthesis
>   >>>>
>   >>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you 
>   >>>> can
>   >>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable
>   >>>>
>   >>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation
>   >>>>
>   >>>>
>   >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>   >>>> From: jammie
>   >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>   >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM
>   >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>   >>>>
>   >>>>
>   >>>>
>   >>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20
>   >>>>
>   >>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software
>   >>>>
>   >>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive
>   >>>>
>   >>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive
>   >>>>
>   >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>   >>>> From: Jason Adkins
>   >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>   >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM
>   >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>   >>>>
>   >>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section 
>   >>>> sounds
>   >>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other 
>   >>>> synth/
>   >>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg
>   >>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs for
>   >>>> the
>   >>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland 
>   >>>> samplers
>   >>>> and the Fairlight of course.
>   >>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing
>   >>>> using a slider too.
>   >>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a
>   >>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could
>   >>>> have a
>   >>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a Jaz
>   >>>> drive.
>   >>>>
>   >>>> J
>   >>>>
>   >>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>   >>>>
>   >>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ ,
>   >>>>> and by now the prices of a
>   >>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed.....
>   >>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb?
>   >>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology
>   >>>>> personally?
>   >>>>> i am interested adapting
>   >>>>>
>   >>>>>
>   >>>>>
>   >>>>> charles
>   >>>>>
>   >>>>>
>   >>>>>
>   >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>   >>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>
>   >>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
>   >>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM
>   >>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>   >>>>>
>   >>>>>
>   >>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too.
>   >>>>>>
>   >>>>>>
>   >>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote:
>   >>>>>>
>   >>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image it
>   >>>>>>> cant
>   >>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20
>   >>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image back
>   >>>>>>> to
>   >>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed
>   >>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as
>   >>>>>>> its a
>   >>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 
>   >>>>>>> can
>   >>>>>>> use the scsi
>   >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>   >>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>   >>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>   >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM
>   >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>   >>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies?
>   >>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI?
>   >>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>> J
>   >>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>   >>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>> so a little o.t.
>   >>>>>>>> but
>   >>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m ,
>   >>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 )
>   >>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the
>   >>>>>>>> fz10m
>   >>>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>>> charles
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