Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

And a superior price tag too...
 On Oct 22, 2012 11:51 AM, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:

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>
>
> yes the mono tribe is pure analog electronics
>
> but descrete analog electronics is the way to go and easy to repair and
> get parts for but the use 4-5 times the amount of components but they are
> matches better
>
> and provide superior sound
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jason Adkins
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>
> Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try and
> reply or argue with that.
> My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I believe
> is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly
> sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me �139 new I
> have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and moog's +
> others and this is equally nice.
>
> J
>
> On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote:
>
> > it was becuase every thing went digital
> >
> > the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and 01w
> >
> > they were pure digital machines with no res filter
> >
> > the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters
> >
> > ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters with
> > digital osc
> >
> > but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital synths
> > and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly
> > synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog vca
> >
> > this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great
> >
> > so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters
> >
> > doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one
> > thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing
> > fast enough
> >
> > and you get samples in time delay for feed back
> >
> > unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input
> >
> > with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the begining
> > which adds latency
> >
> > roland did it but it was good but analog it was not
> >
> > casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital control
> > by cpu and analog audio path
> >
> > all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu control
> > the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled and
> > they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN
> >
> > the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and
> > hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters
> >
> > this was first done on an 8bit system
> >
> > thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a little
> > steppy
> >
> > the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit
> > dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000 it
> > was left as 8bits and is very steppy
> >
> > for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital
> > and a new analog filter
> >
> > out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series
> > samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best
> >
> > yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths
> >
> > as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/
> > asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs can
> > do
> >
> > i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1
> >
> > i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could do
> > the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding
> >
> > and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the fealing
> > of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves
> > losing all the detail of the wavetable
> >
> > even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did
> > not use res
> >
> > the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the table
> > with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used sin/
> > tri/square/saw noise waves
> >
> > i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you can
> > do some neat filter tricks
> >
> > i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having the
> > 135mb optical drives
> >
> > i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks
> >
> > and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that
> >
> > i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware sequencer
> >
> > kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack
> >
> > tx16w
> >
> > the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex
> >
> > the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file support
> >
> > EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2
> >
> > i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII
> >
> > but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second
> > hand mula
> >
> > i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can add
> > your own
> >
> > being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers and
> > get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments
> >
> > the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do very
> > good synth type sounds
> >
> > the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter
> > and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1 and
> > was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this
> >
> > yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 key
> > sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 filter
> > with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod wheel
> > made it so much fatter with doing chords
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jason Adkins
> > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
> >
> >
> >
> > Hiya,
> >
> > I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad.
> > I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the
> > DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did they
> > release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they didn't
> > want to take sales away from the DSS-1?
> >
> > J
> >
> > On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote:
> >
> >> yes but the akai are so clinical digital
> >>
> >> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog filters
> >> and they are warm
> >>
> >> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and
> >> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res
> >> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital synths
> >> through it
> >>
> >> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION
> >>
> >> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter
> >> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this
> >> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the
> >> matrix12
> >>
> >> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in fzf
> >> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what
> >> waveshapes you want
> >>
> >> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg
> >> series
> >>
> >> same for the uwave and the uwavext
> >>
> >> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq
> >>
> >> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range
> >>
> >> the prophet vs including my user waves
> >>
> >> the kawai k3 k1/k4/
> >>
> >> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths
> >>
> >> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered with
> >> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches
> >>
> >> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers by
> >> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves lower
> >> you can get very fat sounds
> >>
> >> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled but
> >> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the dco
> >> of the roland series
> >>
> >> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune control
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Jason Adkins
> >> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> >> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie.
> >> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as good
> >> as
> >> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without
> >> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love the
> >> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue
> >> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder everybody
> >> and
> >> his wife bought an Akai.
> >>
> >> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some interesting
> >> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again).
> >>
> >> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on match of
> >> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for the
> >> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today.
> >>
> >> J
> >>
> >> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote:
> >>
> >>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs
> >>>
> >>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the near
> >>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card
> >>>
> >>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks
> >>>
> >>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it
> >>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy
> >>>
> >>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog
> >>> filters
> >>>
> >>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy to
> >>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and adding a
> >>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc becuase
> >>> you need 7v for that
> >>>
> >>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv
> >>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any midi
> >>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s
> >>>
> >>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials but
> >>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style
> >>>
> >>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set
> >>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes and
> >>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a
> >>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg
> >>> wavetables
> >>>
> >>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it or
> >>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to use
> >>> the same single cycle additive waveform
> >>>
> >>> for slot one and the end slot
> >>>
> >>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and it
> >>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd
> >>>
> >>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari
> >>>
> >>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and atari
> >>>
> >>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like this
> >>> and made it easy for looping
> >>>
> >>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep them
> >>> like the ppg
> >>>
> >>> i have done all the ppg
> >>>
> >>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg
> >>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle
> >>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image
> >>>
> >>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Jason Adkins
> >>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> >>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Jammie,
> >>>
> >>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here
> >>> has
> >>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to.
> >>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I used
> >>> to
> >>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things
> >>> are
> >>> f**king huge.
> >>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS?
> >>>
> >>> J
> >>>
> >>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers the
> >>>> k3
> >>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin synthesis
> >>>>
> >>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you
> >>>> can
> >>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable
> >>>>
> >>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: jammie
> >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20
> >>>>
> >>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software
> >>>>
> >>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive
> >>>>
> >>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: Jason Adkins
> >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
> >>>>
> >>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section
> >>>> sounds
> >>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other
> >>>> synth/
> >>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg
> >>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs for
> >>>> the
> >>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland
> >>>> samplers
> >>>> and the Fairlight of course.
> >>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing
> >>>> using a slider too.
> >>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a
> >>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could
> >>>> have a
> >>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a Jaz
> >>>> drive.
> >>>>
> >>>> J
> >>>>
> >>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ ,
> >>>>> and by now the prices of a
> >>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed.....
> >>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb?
> >>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology
> >>>>> personally?
> >>>>> i am interested adapting
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> charles
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>
> >>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image it
> >>>>>>> cant
> >>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image back
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as
> >>>>>>> its a
> >>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20
> >>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>> use the scsi
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
> >>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies?
> >>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> J
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> so a little o.t.
> >>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m ,
> >>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 )
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the
> >>>>>>>> fz10m
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> charles
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