casio fz10m
2012-10-16 by charlie midi gfa
so a little o.t. but anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the fz10m charles
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casio fz10m
Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
2012-10-18 by Francis Cote
The Lotharek's Sd floppy emulator is the way to go. Can't give you a link as I'm at work using my phone to answer. Do a search. I've seen this work on a Mirage and it's just beatiful! No more screwing around floppies. I need to get it for my akai s950. It comes cheaper than a replacement floppy, and you can put a pile if floppy images in a 4 gb SD card. Francis On Oct 18, 2012 1:13 PM, "charlie midi gfa" <charles.copp@...> wrote: > ** > > > so a little o.t. > but > anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , > (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) > > i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the fz10m > > charles > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
2012-10-18 by Francis Cote
I just remember... look for HxC floppy. On Oct 18, 2012 1:22 PM, "Francis Cote" <francis.cote@...> wrote: > The Lotharek's Sd floppy emulator is the way to go. > > Can't give you a link as I'm at work using my phone to answer. Do a > search. I've seen this work on a Mirage and it's just beatiful! > > No more screwing around floppies. > I need to get it for my akai s950. It comes cheaper than a replacement > floppy, and you can put a pile if floppy images in a 4 gb SD card. > > Francis > On Oct 18, 2012 1:13 PM, "charlie midi gfa" <charles.copp@...> > wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> so a little o.t. >> but >> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , >> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) >> >> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the fz10m >> >> charles >> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
2012-10-18 by jammie
use the slim floppy emulator it works with the fz1 and fz10 you are going to find it hard to find a good working version that will work
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From: charlie midi gfa
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 12:11 AM
Subject: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
so a little o.t.
but
anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m ,
(cross reference the matsushita ju-255 )
i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the fz10m
charles
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2012-10-18 by Francis Cote
Good version of the emulator or if the real floppy you mean? On Oct 18, 2012 1:40 PM, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote: > ** > > > use the slim floppy emulator it works with the fz1 and fz10 > > you are going to find it hard to find a good working version that will work > ----- Original Message ----- > From: charlie midi gfa > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 12:11 AM > Subject: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > > so a little o.t. > but > anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , > (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) > > i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the fz10m > > charles > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
2012-10-18 by Jason Adkins
Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies? Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? J
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On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: > so a little o.t. > but > anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , > (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) > > i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the fz10m > > charles > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
2012-10-18 by jammie
its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image it cant be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 there is no other programs that can write the floppy image back to the floppy becuase its a different speed only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as its a floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 can use the scsi
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From: Jason Adkins
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies?
Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI?
J
On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote:
> so a little o.t.
> but
> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m ,
> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 )
>
> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the fz10m
>
> charles
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
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2012-10-18 by Jason Adkins
I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too.
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On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: > its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image it cant > be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 > > there is no other programs that can write the floppy image back to > the floppy becuase its a different speed > > only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as its a > floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 can > use the scsi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jason Adkins > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > > > > Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies? > Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? > > J > > On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: > >> so a little o.t. >> but >> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , >> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) >> >> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the fz10m >> >> charles >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
2012-10-18 by charlie midi gfa
you got your sentances combined jammie , what am i going to find hard to find working , the replacement floppy the emulator or something else? charles ----- Original Message -----
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From: "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > use the slim floppy emulator it works with the fz1 and fz10 > > you are going to find it hard to find a good working version that will > work > ----- Original Message ----- > From: charlie midi gfa > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 12:11 AM > Subject: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > > > > so a little o.t. > but > anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , > (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) > > i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the fz10m > > charles > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
2012-10-18 by charlie midi gfa
im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , and by now the prices of a shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology personally? i am interested adapting charles ----- Original Message -----
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From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. > > > On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: > >> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image it cant >> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 >> >> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image back to >> the floppy becuase its a different speed >> >> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as its a >> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 can >> use the scsi >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jason Adkins >> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >> >> >> >> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies? >> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? >> >> J >> >> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: >> >>> so a little o.t. >>> but >>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , >>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) >>> >>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the fz10m >>> >>> charles >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
2012-10-20 by Carl Lofgren
Has anyone on the list actually installed the Lothareks floppy emulator? I'm on the edge of ordering one (actually two - one for an Emax I as well). But I'm not a genius when it comes to soldering and stuff. How easy are these things to install? /C >________________________________ > From: Francis Cote <francis.cote@...> >To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:22 PM >Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > > > >The Lotharek's Sd floppy emulator is the way to go. > >Can't give you a link as I'm at work using my phone to answer. Do a search. >I've seen this work on a Mirage and it's just beatiful! > >No more screwing around floppies. >I need to get it for my akai s950. It comes cheaper than a replacement >floppy, and you can put a pile if floppy images in a 4 gb SD card. > >Francis >On Oct 18, 2012 1:13 PM, "charlie midi gfa" <charles.copp@sympatico.ca> >wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> so a little o.t. >> but >> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , >> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) >> >> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the fz10m >> >> charles >> >> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
2012-10-20 by Jason Adkins
I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section sounds superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other synth/ sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs for the Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland samplers and the Fairlight of course. I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing using a slider too. I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could have a look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a Jaz drive. J
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On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote: > im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , > and by now the prices of a > shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... > so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? > please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology personally? > i am interested adapting > > > > charles > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > > >> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. >> >> >> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: >> >>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image it cant >>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 >>> >>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image back to >>> the floppy becuase its a different speed >>> >>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as its a >>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 can >>> use the scsi >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Jason Adkins >>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>> >>> >>> >>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies? >>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? >>> >>> J >>> >>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>> >>>> so a little o.t. >>>> but >>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , >>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) >>>> >>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the fz10m >>>> >>>> charles >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
2012-10-20 by jammie
replacement floppy the emulator is a proper 3.5" drive with lcd screen and sdcard and you can do loads of images you dont need to change anything like you need to on a floppy drive as it emulates the shugart drive so its just the standard cable http://torlus.com/floppy/ this has all the information
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----- Original Message -----
From: charlie midi gfa
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
you got your sentances combined jammie ,
what am i going to find hard to find working ,
the replacement floppy
the emulator
or
something else?
charles
----- Original Message -----
From: "jammie" <jammie.emma@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
> use the slim floppy emulator it works with the fz1 and fz10
>
> you are going to find it hard to find a good working version that will
> work
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: charlie midi gfa
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 12:11 AM
> Subject: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>
>
>
> so a little o.t.
> but
> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m ,
> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 )
>
> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the fz10m
>
> charles
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
2012-10-20 by jammie
yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20 but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive
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From: Jason Adkins
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section sounds
superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other synth/
sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg
DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs for the
Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland samplers
and the Fairlight of course.
I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing
using a slider too.
I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a
studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could have a
look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a Jaz
drive.
J
On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote:
> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ ,
> and by now the prices of a
> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed.....
> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb?
> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology personally?
> i am interested adapting
>
>
>
> charles
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>
> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>
>
>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too.
>>
>>
>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote:
>>
>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image it cant
>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20
>>>
>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image back to
>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed
>>>
>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as its a
>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 can
>>> use the scsi
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies?
>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI?
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>>>
>>>> so a little o.t.
>>>> but
>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m ,
>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 )
>>>>
>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the fz10m
>>>>
>>>> charles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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2012-10-20 by jammie
and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers the k3 k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin synthesis but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you can link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable a bit like the emax spectral synth generation
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----- Original Message -----
From: jammie
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20
but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software
and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive
the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive
----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Adkins
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section sounds
superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other synth/
sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg
DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs for the
Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland samplers
and the Fairlight of course.
I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing
using a slider too.
I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a
studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could have a
look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a Jaz
drive.
J
On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote:
> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ ,
> and by now the prices of a
> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed.....
> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb?
> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology personally?
> i am interested adapting
>
>
>
> charles
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>
> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>
>
>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too.
>>
>>
>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote:
>>
>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image it cant
>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20
>>>
>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image back to
>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed
>>>
>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as its a
>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 can
>>> use the scsi
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies?
>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI?
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>>>
>>>> so a little o.t.
>>>> but
>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m ,
>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 )
>>>>
>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the fz10m
>>>>
>>>> charles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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>
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2012-10-20 by Jason Adkins
Hi Jammie, I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here has an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to. I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I used to keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things are f**king huge. Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS? J
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On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote: > and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers the k3 > k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin synthesis > > but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you can > link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable > > a bit like the emax spectral synth generation > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jammie > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > > > > yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20 > > but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software > > and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive > > the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jason Adkins > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > > I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section sounds > superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other synth/ > sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg > DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs for > the > Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland samplers > and the Fairlight of course. > I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing > using a slider too. > I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a > studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could have a > look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a Jaz > drive. > > J > > On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote: > >> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , >> and by now the prices of a >> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... >> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? >> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology personally? >> i am interested adapting >> >> >> >> charles >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >> >> >>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. >>> >>> >>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: >>> >>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image it >>>> cant >>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 >>>> >>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image back to >>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed >>>> >>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as its a >>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 can >>>> use the scsi >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies? >>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? >>>> >>>> J >>>> >>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>> >>>>> so a little o.t. >>>>> but >>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , >>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) >>>>> >>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the >>>>> fz10m >>>>> >>>>> charles >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
2012-10-20 by jammie
i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the near future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog filters the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy to cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and adding a pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc becuase you need 7v for that i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any midi cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials but you also get to do them on a table ppg style you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes and the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg wavetables the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it or what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to use the same single cycle additive waveform for slot one and the end slot the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and it could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd it was called softsynth both for mac and atari then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and atari i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like this and made it easy for looping i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep them like the ppg i have done all the ppg the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image which is impossible to do with additive synthesis
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Adkins
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
Hi Jammie,
I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here has
an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to.
I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I used to
keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things are
f**king huge.
Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS?
J
On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote:
> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers the k3
> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin synthesis
>
> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you can
> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable
>
> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jammie
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>
>
>
> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20
>
> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software
>
> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive
>
> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jason Adkins
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>
> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section sounds
> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other synth/
> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg
> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs for
> the
> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland samplers
> and the Fairlight of course.
> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing
> using a slider too.
> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a
> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could have a
> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a Jaz
> drive.
>
> J
>
> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>
>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ ,
>> and by now the prices of a
>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed.....
>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb?
>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology personally?
>> i am interested adapting
>>
>>
>>
>> charles
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>
>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>
>>
>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote:
>>>
>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image it
>>>> cant
>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20
>>>>
>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image back to
>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed
>>>>
>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as its a
>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 can
>>>> use the scsi
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies?
>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI?
>>>>
>>>> J
>>>>
>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> so a little o.t.
>>>>> but
>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m ,
>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 )
>>>>>
>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the
>>>>> fz10m
>>>>>
>>>>> charles
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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2012-10-20 by charlie midi gfa
jammi i think you are forgetiing about turbo synth , and soft synth this was sound designers mate it too was a digidesign program,, god bless rainer broadsen and digidesign! i have for atari all mentioned charles ----- Original Message -----
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From: "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs > > we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the near future > it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card > > plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks > > get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it has 4 > multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy > > but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog filters > > the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy to cut a > trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and adding a pot to a 5v > source this willgive good res but not self osc becuase you need 7v for > that > > i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv controller you > get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any midi cc control they are > 0-5 v cv,s > > the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials but you > also get to do them on a table ppg style > > you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set volume > envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes and the you > interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a spectral > variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg wavetables > > the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it or what > ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to use the same > single cycle additive waveform > > for slot one and the end slot > > the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and it could > do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd > > it was called softsynth both for mac and atari > > then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and atari > > i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like this and > made it easy for looping > > i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep them like > the ppg > > i have done all the ppg > > the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg but they > sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle waves then they > compute the other half as a mirror image > > which is impossible to do with additive synthesis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jason Adkins > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > > > > Hi Jammie, > > I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here has > an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to. > I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I used to > keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things are > f**king huge. > Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS? > > J > > On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote: > > > and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers the k3 > > k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin synthesis > > > > but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you can > > link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable > > > > a bit like the emax spectral synth generation > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: jammie > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > > > > > > > > yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20 > > > > but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software > > > > and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive > > > > the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jason Adkins > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM > > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > > > > I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section sounds > > superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other synth/ > > sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg > > DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs for > > the > > Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland samplers > > and the Fairlight of course. > > I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing > > using a slider too. > > I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a > > studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could have a > > look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a Jaz > > drive. > > > > J > > > > On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote: > > > >> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , > >> and by now the prices of a > >> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... > >> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? > >> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology personally? > >> i am interested adapting > >> > >> > >> > >> charles > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> > >> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> > >> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM > >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > >> > >> > >>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. > >>> > >>> > >>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: > >>> > >>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image it > >>>> cant > >>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 > >>>> > >>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image back to > >>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed > >>>> > >>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as its a > >>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 can > >>>> use the scsi > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: Jason Adkins > >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies? > >>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? > >>>> > >>>> J > >>>> > >>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> so a little o.t. > >>>>> but > >>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , > >>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) > >>>>> > >>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the > >>>>> fz10m > >>>>> > >>>>> charles > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------------ > >>>>> > >>>>> Yahoo! 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Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
2012-10-21 by Jason Adkins
You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie. I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as good as the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love the digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder everybody and his wife bought an Akai. I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some interesting stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again). Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on match of the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for the first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today. J
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On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote: > i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs > > we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the near > future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card > > plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks > > get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it > has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy > > but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog > filters > > the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy to > cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and adding a > pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc becuase > you need 7v for that > > i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv > controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any midi > cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s > > the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials but > you also get to do them on a table ppg style > > you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set > volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes and > the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a > spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg > wavetables > > the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it or > what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to use > the same single cycle additive waveform > > for slot one and the end slot > > the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and it > could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd > > it was called softsynth both for mac and atari > > then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and atari > > i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like this > and made it easy for looping > > i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep them > like the ppg > > i have done all the ppg > > the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg > but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle > waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image > > which is impossible to do with additive synthesis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jason Adkins > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > > > > Hi Jammie, > > I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here has > an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to. > I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I used to > keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things are > f**king huge. > Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS? > > J > > On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote: > >> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers the k3 >> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin synthesis >> >> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you can >> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable >> >> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: jammie >> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >> >> >> >> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20 >> >> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software >> >> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive >> >> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jason Adkins >> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >> >> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section sounds >> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other synth/ >> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg >> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs for >> the >> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland samplers >> and the Fairlight of course. >> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing >> using a slider too. >> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a >> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could have a >> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a Jaz >> drive. >> >> J >> >> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote: >> >>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , >>> and by now the prices of a >>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... >>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? >>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology personally? >>> i am interested adapting >>> >>> >>> >>> charles >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>> >>> >>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: >>>> >>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image it >>>>> cant >>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 >>>>> >>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image back to >>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed >>>>> >>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as >>>>> its a >>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 can >>>>> use the scsi >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies? >>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? >>>>> >>>>> J >>>>> >>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> so a little o.t. >>>>>> but >>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , >>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) >>>>>> >>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the >>>>>> fz10m >>>>>> >>>>>> charles >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
2012-10-21 by Carl Lofgren
My apologies for being a bit stupid - but I thought the DSM was a rack version of the DSS - containing the same stuff? No analog filters in the DSM? /C >________________________________ > From: Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...> >To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 2:50 AM >Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > > > >You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie. >I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as good as >the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without >f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love the >digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue >filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder everybody and >his wife bought an Akai. > >I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some interesting >stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again). > >Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on match of >the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for the >first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today. > >J > >On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote: > >> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs >> >> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the near >> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card >> >> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks >> >> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it >> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy >> >> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog >> filters >> >> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy to >> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and adding a >> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc becuase >> you need 7v for that >> >> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv >> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any midi >> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s >> >> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials but >> you also get to do them on a table ppg style >> >> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set >> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes and >> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a >> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg >> wavetables >> >> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it or >> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to use >> the same single cycle additive waveform >> >> for slot one and the end slot >> >> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and it >> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd >> >> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari >> >> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and atari >> >> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like this >> and made it easy for looping >> >> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep them >> like the ppg >> >> i have done all the ppg >> >> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg >> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle >> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image >> >> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jason Adkins >> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >> >> >> >> Hi Jammie, >> >> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here has >> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to. >> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I used to >> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things are >> f**king huge. >> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS? >> >> J >> >> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote: >> >>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers the k3 >>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin synthesis >>> >>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you can >>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable >>> >>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: jammie >>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>> >>> >>> >>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20 >>> >>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software >>> >>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive >>> >>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Jason Adkins >>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>> >>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section sounds >>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other synth/ >>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg >>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs for >>> the >>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland samplers >>> and the Fairlight of course. >>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing >>> using a slider too. >>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a >>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could have a >>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a Jaz >>> drive. >>> >>> J >>> >>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>> >>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , >>>> and by now the prices of a >>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... >>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? >>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology personally? >>>> i am interested adapting >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> charles >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>> >>>> >>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image it >>>>>> cant >>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 >>>>>> >>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image back to >>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed >>>>>> >>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as >>>>>> its a >>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 can >>>>>> use the scsi >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies? >>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? >>>>>> >>>>>> J >>>>>> >>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> so a little o.t. >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , >>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the >>>>>>> fz10m >>>>>>> >>>>>>> charles >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yahoo! 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Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
2012-10-21 by jammie
yes but the akai are so clinical digital even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog filters and they are warm i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital synths through it AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the matrix12 my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in fzf format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what waveshapes you want i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg series same for the uwave and the uwavext i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range the prophet vs including my user waves the kawai k3 k1/k4/ and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered with 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers by layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves lower you can get very fat sounds and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled but the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the dco of the roland series which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune control
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Adkins
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie.
I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as good as
the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without
f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love the
digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue
filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder everybody and
his wife bought an Akai.
I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some interesting
stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again).
Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on match of
the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for the
first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today.
J
On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote:
> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs
>
> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the near
> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card
>
> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks
>
> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it
> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy
>
> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog
> filters
>
> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy to
> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and adding a
> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc becuase
> you need 7v for that
>
> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv
> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any midi
> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s
>
> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials but
> you also get to do them on a table ppg style
>
> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set
> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes and
> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a
> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg
> wavetables
>
> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it or
> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to use
> the same single cycle additive waveform
>
> for slot one and the end slot
>
> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and it
> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd
>
> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari
>
> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and atari
>
> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like this
> and made it easy for looping
>
> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep them
> like the ppg
>
> i have done all the ppg
>
> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg
> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle
> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image
>
> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jason Adkins
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>
>
>
> Hi Jammie,
>
> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here has
> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to.
> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I used to
> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things are
> f**king huge.
> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS?
>
> J
>
> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote:
>
>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers the k3
>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin synthesis
>>
>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you can
>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable
>>
>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: jammie
>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>
>>
>>
>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20
>>
>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software
>>
>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive
>>
>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jason Adkins
>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>
>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section sounds
>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other synth/
>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg
>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs for
>> the
>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland samplers
>> and the Fairlight of course.
>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing
>> using a slider too.
>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a
>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could have a
>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a Jaz
>> drive.
>>
>> J
>>
>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>>
>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ ,
>>> and by now the prices of a
>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed.....
>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb?
>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology personally?
>>> i am interested adapting
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> charles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>
>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>
>>>
>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image it
>>>>> cant
>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20
>>>>>
>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image back to
>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed
>>>>>
>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as
>>>>> its a
>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 can
>>>>> use the scsi
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies?
>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI?
>>>>>
>>>>> J
>>>>>
>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> so a little o.t.
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m ,
>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the
>>>>>> fz10m
>>>>>>
>>>>>> charles
>>>>>>
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
2012-10-21 by Jason Adkins
Hiya, I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad. I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did they release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they didn't want to take sales away from the DSS-1? J
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On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote: > yes but the akai are so clinical digital > > even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog filters > and they are warm > > i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and > t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res > conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital synths > through it > > AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION > > we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter > upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this > will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the > matrix12 > > my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in fzf > format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what > waveshapes you want > > i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg series > > same for the uwave and the uwavext > > i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq > > the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range > > the prophet vs including my user waves > > the kawai k3 k1/k4/ > > and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths > > by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered with > 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches > > and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers by > layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves lower > you can get very fat sounds > > and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled but > the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the dco > of the roland series > > which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune control > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jason Adkins > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > > > > You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie. > I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as good > as > the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without > f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love the > digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue > filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder everybody > and > his wife bought an Akai. > > I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some interesting > stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again). > > Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on match of > the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for the > first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today. > > J > > On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote: > >> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs >> >> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the near >> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card >> >> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks >> >> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it >> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy >> >> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog >> filters >> >> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy to >> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and adding a >> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc becuase >> you need 7v for that >> >> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv >> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any midi >> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s >> >> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials but >> you also get to do them on a table ppg style >> >> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set >> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes and >> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a >> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg >> wavetables >> >> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it or >> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to use >> the same single cycle additive waveform >> >> for slot one and the end slot >> >> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and it >> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd >> >> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari >> >> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and atari >> >> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like this >> and made it easy for looping >> >> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep them >> like the ppg >> >> i have done all the ppg >> >> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg >> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle >> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image >> >> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jason Adkins >> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >> >> >> >> Hi Jammie, >> >> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here has >> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to. >> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I used to >> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things are >> f**king huge. >> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS? >> >> J >> >> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote: >> >>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers the k3 >>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin synthesis >>> >>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you can >>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable >>> >>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: jammie >>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>> >>> >>> >>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20 >>> >>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software >>> >>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive >>> >>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Jason Adkins >>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>> >>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section sounds >>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other synth/ >>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg >>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs for >>> the >>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland samplers >>> and the Fairlight of course. >>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing >>> using a slider too. >>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a >>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could >>> have a >>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a Jaz >>> drive. >>> >>> J >>> >>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>> >>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , >>>> and by now the prices of a >>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... >>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? >>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology >>>> personally? >>>> i am interested adapting >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> charles >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>> >>>> >>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image it >>>>>> cant >>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 >>>>>> >>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image back >>>>>> to >>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed >>>>>> >>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as >>>>>> its a >>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 can >>>>>> use the scsi >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies? >>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? >>>>>> >>>>>> J >>>>>> >>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> so a little o.t. >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , >>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the >>>>>>> fz10m >>>>>>> >>>>>>> charles >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yahoo! 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Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
2012-10-21 by jammie
it was becuase every thing went digital the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and 01w they were pure digital machines with no res filter the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters with digital osc but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital synths and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog vca this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing fast enough and you get samples in time delay for feed back unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the begining which adds latency roland did it but it was good but analog it was not casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital control by cpu and analog audio path all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu control the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled and they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters this was first done on an 8bit system thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a little steppy the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000 it was left as 8bits and is very steppy for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital and a new analog filter out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs can do i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1 i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could do the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the fealing of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves losing all the detail of the wavetable even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did not use res the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the table with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used sin/tri/square/saw noise waves i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you can do some neat filter tricks i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having the 135mb optical drives i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware sequencer kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack tx16w the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file support EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2 i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second hand mula i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can add your own being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers and get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do very good synth type sounds the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1 and was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 key sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 filter with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod wheel made it so much fatter with doing chords
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Adkins
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
Hiya,
I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad.
I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the
DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did they
release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they didn't
want to take sales away from the DSS-1?
J
On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote:
> yes but the akai are so clinical digital
>
> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog filters
> and they are warm
>
> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and
> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res
> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital synths
> through it
>
> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION
>
> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter
> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this
> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the
> matrix12
>
> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in fzf
> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what
> waveshapes you want
>
> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg series
>
> same for the uwave and the uwavext
>
> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq
>
> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range
>
> the prophet vs including my user waves
>
> the kawai k3 k1/k4/
>
> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths
>
> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered with
> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches
>
> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers by
> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves lower
> you can get very fat sounds
>
> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled but
> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the dco
> of the roland series
>
> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune control
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jason Adkins
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>
>
>
> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie.
> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as good
> as
> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without
> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love the
> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue
> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder everybody
> and
> his wife bought an Akai.
>
> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some interesting
> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again).
>
> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on match of
> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for the
> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today.
>
> J
>
> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote:
>
>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs
>>
>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the near
>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card
>>
>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks
>>
>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it
>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy
>>
>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog
>> filters
>>
>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy to
>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and adding a
>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc becuase
>> you need 7v for that
>>
>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv
>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any midi
>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s
>>
>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials but
>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style
>>
>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set
>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes and
>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a
>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg
>> wavetables
>>
>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it or
>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to use
>> the same single cycle additive waveform
>>
>> for slot one and the end slot
>>
>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and it
>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd
>>
>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari
>>
>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and atari
>>
>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like this
>> and made it easy for looping
>>
>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep them
>> like the ppg
>>
>> i have done all the ppg
>>
>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg
>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle
>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image
>>
>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jason Adkins
>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Jammie,
>>
>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here has
>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to.
>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I used to
>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things are
>> f**king huge.
>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS?
>>
>> J
>>
>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote:
>>
>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers the k3
>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin synthesis
>>>
>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you can
>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable
>>>
>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: jammie
>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20
>>>
>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software
>>>
>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive
>>>
>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>
>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section sounds
>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other synth/
>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg
>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs for
>>> the
>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland samplers
>>> and the Fairlight of course.
>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing
>>> using a slider too.
>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a
>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could
>>> have a
>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a Jaz
>>> drive.
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>>>
>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ ,
>>>> and by now the prices of a
>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed.....
>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb?
>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology
>>>> personally?
>>>> i am interested adapting
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> charles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>
>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image it
>>>>>> cant
>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20
>>>>>>
>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image back
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as
>>>>>> its a
>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 can
>>>>>> use the scsi
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies?
>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so a little o.t.
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m ,
>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the
>>>>>>> fz10m
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> charles
>>>>>>>
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2012-10-21 by analogmonster@ymail.com
Back to scsi and the hxc floppy emulator. I have quite recently bought both for 2 other devices, hxc for a circuit bent akai sampler and a scsi cd drive and internal scsi hd for my kurzweil 2500. The hxc is amazing, but does have a few pitfalls. One problem is fixed, as for more expense you can buy one that will slot right in place of a 3.5" drive. I had to case mod to put my drive in and it was a bit of a bodge job. I also had an sd card that turned out to be a little unstable-it is more stable with certain cards-check the site. The way it works is you create empty disks on your pc, fill up your sd card with these disk files and put it in the hxc. These files are a bit larger than the equivilent floppy-my 1.44mb emulated disks are more like 2mb per disk. You can then save/load each file like its an individual floppy. It still takes an age to read or write as its a virtual floppy drive. The big issue for you is its not currently a supported device. This is not the end of the world though, the developer is very helpful and will do all he can to get it sorted-Presumably the more supported devices the more sales for him. There is a disk analysis program that helps you build the right disk file types, but id assume theres no guarantee the hxc will work with an unsupported device. Scsi is really cool but pretty pricey. I completely gave up on finding a mac compatible scsi interface-theyre not made any more so youre looking at £150+ second hand. Theyre more readily available for windows based pcs but be aware drivers are unlikely to be up to date, so you may need to go for dual operating system if youre running a modern pc. Having 2 zip drives, 1 scsi 1 usb is the common way of doing things and its what i will probably be doing. I have installed an internal hd, which i can write to and read from. I hae a scsi cd drive. Its actually a cdrw drive, but i cant write to it. Its handy for getting large pre edited samples to the kurzweil by burning disks using the cd drive on my mac, but doesnt really give me what i wanted. Hope this helps
Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
2012-10-21 by charlie midi gfa
filters do nothing for me , you're a bit off topic maybe should start your own thread please. i like synths the way they are, the filters are fun to play with , but on a serious note they don't write the music ...man this is hard so no real replacement unless i highjack an ibm/at drive ?? don't need a hx emulator thanks charles ----- Original Message -----
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From: "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > it was becuase every thing went digital > > the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and 01w > > they were pure digital machines with no res filter > > the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters > > ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters with > digital osc > > but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital synths and > updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly synth with > analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog vca > > this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great > > so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters > > doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one thing > you need lots of processor power they just never had thing fast enough > > and you get samples in time delay for feed back > > unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input > > with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the begining which > adds latency > > roland did it but it was good but analog it was not > > casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital control by > cpu and analog audio path > > all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu control the > sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled and they > would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN > > the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and hold it > in the output this would be sent tothe filters > > this was first done on an 8bit system > > thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a little steppy > > the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit dacs for > the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000 it was left as > 8bits and is very steppy > > for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital and a > new analog filter > > out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series samplers > and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best > > yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths > > as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/asr10 > ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs can do > > i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1 > > i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could do the > sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding > > and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the fealing of the > wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves losing all the > detail of the wavetable > > even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did not use > res > > the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the table with > no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used > sin/tri/square/saw noise waves > > i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you can do > some neat filter tricks > > i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having the 135mb > optical drives > > i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks > > and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that > > i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware sequencer > > kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack > > tx16w > > the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex > > the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file support > > EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2 > > i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII > > but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second hand > mula > > i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can add your > own > > being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers and get > given stuff that people no longer want as part payments > > the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do very good > synth type sounds > > the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter and > pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1 and was used > by many freinds in the early 80,s for this > > yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 key > sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 filter with > the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod wheel made it so > much fatter with doing chords > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jason Adkins > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > > > > Hiya, > > I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad. > I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the > DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did they > release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they didn't > want to take sales away from the DSS-1? > > J > > On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote: > > > yes but the akai are so clinical digital > > > > even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog filters > > and they are warm > > > > i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and > > t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res > > conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital synths > > through it > > > > AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION > > > > we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter > > upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this > > will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the > > matrix12 > > > > my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in fzf > > format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what > > waveshapes you want > > > > i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg series > > > > same for the uwave and the uwavext > > > > i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq > > > > the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range > > > > the prophet vs including my user waves > > > > the kawai k3 k1/k4/ > > > > and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths > > > > by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered with > > 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches > > > > and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers by > > layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves lower > > you can get very fat sounds > > > > and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled but > > the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the dco > > of the roland series > > > > which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune control > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jason Adkins > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM > > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > > > > > > > > You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie. > > I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as good > > as > > the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without > > f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love the > > digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue > > filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder everybody > > and > > his wife bought an Akai. > > > > I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some interesting > > stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again). > > > > Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on match of > > the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for the > > first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today. > > > > J > > > > On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote: > > > >> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs > >> > >> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the near > >> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card > >> > >> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks > >> > >> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it > >> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy > >> > >> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog > >> filters > >> > >> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy to > >> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and adding a > >> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc becuase > >> you need 7v for that > >> > >> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv > >> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any midi > >> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s > >> > >> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials but > >> you also get to do them on a table ppg style > >> > >> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set > >> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes and > >> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a > >> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg > >> wavetables > >> > >> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it or > >> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to use > >> the same single cycle additive waveform > >> > >> for slot one and the end slot > >> > >> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and it > >> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd > >> > >> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari > >> > >> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and atari > >> > >> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like this > >> and made it easy for looping > >> > >> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep them > >> like the ppg > >> > >> i have done all the ppg > >> > >> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg > >> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle > >> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image > >> > >> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Jason Adkins > >> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > >> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM > >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi Jammie, > >> > >> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here has > >> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to. > >> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I used to > >> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things are > >> f**king huge. > >> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS? > >> > >> J > >> > >> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote: > >> > >>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers the k3 > >>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin synthesis > >>> > >>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you can > >>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable > >>> > >>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: jammie > >>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > >>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20 > >>> > >>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software > >>> > >>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive > >>> > >>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Jason Adkins > >>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > >>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > >>> > >>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section sounds > >>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other synth/ > >>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg > >>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs for > >>> the > >>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland samplers > >>> and the Fairlight of course. > >>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing > >>> using a slider too. > >>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a > >>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could > >>> have a > >>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a Jaz > >>> drive. > >>> > >>> J > >>> > >>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote: > >>> > >>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , > >>>> and by now the prices of a > >>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... > >>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? > >>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology > >>>> personally? > >>>> i am interested adapting > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> charles > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> > >>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> > >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image it > >>>>>> cant > >>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image back > >>>>>> to > >>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed > >>>>>> > >>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as > >>>>>> its a > >>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 can > >>>>>> use the scsi > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>> From: Jason Adkins > >>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies? > >>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> J > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> so a little o.t. > >>>>>>> but > >>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , > >>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the > >>>>>>> fz10m > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> charles > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ------------------------------------ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Yahoo! 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Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
2012-10-22 by Jason Adkins
Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try and reply or argue with that. My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I believe is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139 new I have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and moog's + others and this is equally nice. J
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On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote: > it was becuase every thing went digital > > the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and 01w > > they were pure digital machines with no res filter > > the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters > > ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters with > digital osc > > but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital synths > and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly > synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog vca > > this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great > > so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters > > doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one > thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing > fast enough > > and you get samples in time delay for feed back > > unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input > > with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the begining > which adds latency > > roland did it but it was good but analog it was not > > casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital control > by cpu and analog audio path > > all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu control > the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled and > they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN > > the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and > hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters > > this was first done on an 8bit system > > thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a little > steppy > > the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit > dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000 it > was left as 8bits and is very steppy > > for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital > and a new analog filter > > out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series > samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best > > yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths > > as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/ > asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs can > do > > i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1 > > i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could do > the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding > > and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the fealing > of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves > losing all the detail of the wavetable > > even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did > not use res > > the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the table > with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used sin/ > tri/square/saw noise waves > > i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you can > do some neat filter tricks > > i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having the > 135mb optical drives > > i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks > > and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that > > i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware sequencer > > kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack > > tx16w > > the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex > > the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file support > > EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2 > > i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII > > but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second > hand mula > > i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can add > your own > > being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers and > get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments > > the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do very > good synth type sounds > > the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter > and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1 and > was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this > > yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 key > sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 filter > with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod wheel > made it so much fatter with doing chords > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jason Adkins > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > > > > Hiya, > > I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad. > I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the > DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did they > release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they didn't > want to take sales away from the DSS-1? > > J > > On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote: > >> yes but the akai are so clinical digital >> >> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog filters >> and they are warm >> >> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and >> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res >> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital synths >> through it >> >> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION >> >> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter >> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this >> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the >> matrix12 >> >> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in fzf >> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what >> waveshapes you want >> >> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg >> series >> >> same for the uwave and the uwavext >> >> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq >> >> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range >> >> the prophet vs including my user waves >> >> the kawai k3 k1/k4/ >> >> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths >> >> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered with >> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches >> >> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers by >> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves lower >> you can get very fat sounds >> >> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled but >> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the dco >> of the roland series >> >> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune control >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jason Adkins >> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >> >> >> >> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie. >> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as good >> as >> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without >> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love the >> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue >> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder everybody >> and >> his wife bought an Akai. >> >> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some interesting >> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again). >> >> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on match of >> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for the >> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today. >> >> J >> >> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote: >> >>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs >>> >>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the near >>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card >>> >>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks >>> >>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it >>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy >>> >>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog >>> filters >>> >>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy to >>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and adding a >>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc becuase >>> you need 7v for that >>> >>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv >>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any midi >>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s >>> >>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials but >>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style >>> >>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set >>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes and >>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a >>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg >>> wavetables >>> >>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it or >>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to use >>> the same single cycle additive waveform >>> >>> for slot one and the end slot >>> >>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and it >>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd >>> >>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari >>> >>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and atari >>> >>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like this >>> and made it easy for looping >>> >>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep them >>> like the ppg >>> >>> i have done all the ppg >>> >>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg >>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle >>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image >>> >>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Jason Adkins >>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Jammie, >>> >>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here >>> has >>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to. >>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I used >>> to >>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things >>> are >>> f**king huge. >>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS? >>> >>> J >>> >>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote: >>> >>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers the >>>> k3 >>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin synthesis >>>> >>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you >>>> can >>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable >>>> >>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: jammie >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20 >>>> >>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software >>>> >>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive >>>> >>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>> >>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section >>>> sounds >>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other >>>> synth/ >>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg >>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs for >>>> the >>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland >>>> samplers >>>> and the Fairlight of course. >>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing >>>> using a slider too. >>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a >>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could >>>> have a >>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a Jaz >>>> drive. >>>> >>>> J >>>> >>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>> >>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , >>>>> and by now the prices of a >>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... >>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? >>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology >>>>> personally? >>>>> i am interested adapting >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> charles >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image it >>>>>>> cant >>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image back >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed >>>>>>> >>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as >>>>>>> its a >>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> use the scsi >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies? >>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> so a little o.t. >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , >>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the >>>>>>>> fz10m >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> charles >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yahoo! 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Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
2012-10-22 by jammie
yes the mono tribe is pure analog electronics but descrete analog electronics is the way to go and easy to repair and get parts for but the use 4-5 times the amount of components but they are matches better and provide superior sound
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From: Jason Adkins
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try and
reply or argue with that.
My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I believe
is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly
sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139 new I
have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and moog's +
others and this is equally nice.
J
On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote:
> it was becuase every thing went digital
>
> the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and 01w
>
> they were pure digital machines with no res filter
>
> the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters
>
> ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters with
> digital osc
>
> but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital synths
> and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly
> synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog vca
>
> this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great
>
> so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters
>
> doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one
> thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing
> fast enough
>
> and you get samples in time delay for feed back
>
> unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input
>
> with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the begining
> which adds latency
>
> roland did it but it was good but analog it was not
>
> casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital control
> by cpu and analog audio path
>
> all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu control
> the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled and
> they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN
>
> the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and
> hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters
>
> this was first done on an 8bit system
>
> thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a little
> steppy
>
> the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit
> dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000 it
> was left as 8bits and is very steppy
>
> for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital
> and a new analog filter
>
> out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series
> samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best
>
> yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths
>
> as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/
> asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs can
> do
>
> i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1
>
> i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could do
> the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding
>
> and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the fealing
> of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves
> losing all the detail of the wavetable
>
> even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did
> not use res
>
> the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the table
> with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used sin/
> tri/square/saw noise waves
>
> i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you can
> do some neat filter tricks
>
> i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having the
> 135mb optical drives
>
> i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks
>
> and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that
>
> i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware sequencer
>
> kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack
>
> tx16w
>
> the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex
>
> the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file support
>
> EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2
>
> i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII
>
> but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second
> hand mula
>
> i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can add
> your own
>
> being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers and
> get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments
>
> the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do very
> good synth type sounds
>
> the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter
> and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1 and
> was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this
>
> yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 key
> sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 filter
> with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod wheel
> made it so much fatter with doing chords
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jason Adkins
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>
>
>
> Hiya,
>
> I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad.
> I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the
> DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did they
> release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they didn't
> want to take sales away from the DSS-1?
>
> J
>
> On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote:
>
>> yes but the akai are so clinical digital
>>
>> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog filters
>> and they are warm
>>
>> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and
>> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res
>> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital synths
>> through it
>>
>> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION
>>
>> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter
>> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this
>> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the
>> matrix12
>>
>> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in fzf
>> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what
>> waveshapes you want
>>
>> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg
>> series
>>
>> same for the uwave and the uwavext
>>
>> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq
>>
>> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range
>>
>> the prophet vs including my user waves
>>
>> the kawai k3 k1/k4/
>>
>> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths
>>
>> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered with
>> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches
>>
>> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers by
>> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves lower
>> you can get very fat sounds
>>
>> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled but
>> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the dco
>> of the roland series
>>
>> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune control
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jason Adkins
>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM
>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>
>>
>>
>> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie.
>> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as good
>> as
>> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without
>> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love the
>> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue
>> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder everybody
>> and
>> his wife bought an Akai.
>>
>> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some interesting
>> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again).
>>
>> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on match of
>> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for the
>> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today.
>>
>> J
>>
>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote:
>>
>>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs
>>>
>>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the near
>>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card
>>>
>>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks
>>>
>>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it
>>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy
>>>
>>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog
>>> filters
>>>
>>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy to
>>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and adding a
>>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc becuase
>>> you need 7v for that
>>>
>>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv
>>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any midi
>>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s
>>>
>>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials but
>>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style
>>>
>>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set
>>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes and
>>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a
>>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg
>>> wavetables
>>>
>>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it or
>>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to use
>>> the same single cycle additive waveform
>>>
>>> for slot one and the end slot
>>>
>>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and it
>>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd
>>>
>>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari
>>>
>>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and atari
>>>
>>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like this
>>> and made it easy for looping
>>>
>>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep them
>>> like the ppg
>>>
>>> i have done all the ppg
>>>
>>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg
>>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle
>>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image
>>>
>>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Jammie,
>>>
>>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here
>>> has
>>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to.
>>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I used
>>> to
>>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things
>>> are
>>> f**king huge.
>>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS?
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote:
>>>
>>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers the
>>>> k3
>>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin synthesis
>>>>
>>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you
>>>> can
>>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable
>>>>
>>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: jammie
>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20
>>>>
>>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software
>>>>
>>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive
>>>>
>>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>
>>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section
>>>> sounds
>>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other
>>>> synth/
>>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg
>>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs for
>>>> the
>>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland
>>>> samplers
>>>> and the Fairlight of course.
>>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing
>>>> using a slider too.
>>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a
>>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could
>>>> have a
>>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a Jaz
>>>> drive.
>>>>
>>>> J
>>>>
>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ ,
>>>>> and by now the prices of a
>>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed.....
>>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb?
>>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology
>>>>> personally?
>>>>> i am interested adapting
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> charles
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>
>>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image it
>>>>>>> cant
>>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image back
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as
>>>>>>> its a
>>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> use the scsi
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies?
>>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> so a little o.t.
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m ,
>>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 )
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the
>>>>>>>> fz10m
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> charles
>>>>>>>>
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2012-10-22 by Francis Cote
And a superior price tag too... On Oct 22, 2012 11:51 AM, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote: > ** > > > yes the mono tribe is pure analog electronics > > but descrete analog electronics is the way to go and easy to repair and > get parts for but the use 4-5 times the amount of components but they are > matches better > > and provide superior sound > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jason Adkins > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:47 PM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > > Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try and > reply or argue with that. > My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I believe > is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly > sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me �139 new I > have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and moog's + > others and this is equally nice. > > J > > On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote: > > > it was becuase every thing went digital > > > > the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and 01w > > > > they were pure digital machines with no res filter > > > > the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters > > > > ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters with > > digital osc > > > > but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital synths > > and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly > > synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog vca > > > > this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great > > > > so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters > > > > doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one > > thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing > > fast enough > > > > and you get samples in time delay for feed back > > > > unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input > > > > with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the begining > > which adds latency > > > > roland did it but it was good but analog it was not > > > > casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital control > > by cpu and analog audio path > > > > all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu control > > the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled and > > they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN > > > > the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and > > hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters > > > > this was first done on an 8bit system > > > > thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a little > > steppy > > > > the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit > > dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000 it > > was left as 8bits and is very steppy > > > > for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital > > and a new analog filter > > > > out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series > > samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best > > > > yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths > > > > as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/ > > asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs can > > do > > > > i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1 > > > > i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could do > > the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding > > > > and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the fealing > > of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves > > losing all the detail of the wavetable > > > > even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did > > not use res > > > > the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the table > > with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used sin/ > > tri/square/saw noise waves > > > > i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you can > > do some neat filter tricks > > > > i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having the > > 135mb optical drives > > > > i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks > > > > and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that > > > > i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware sequencer > > > > kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack > > > > tx16w > > > > the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex > > > > the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file support > > > > EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2 > > > > i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII > > > > but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second > > hand mula > > > > i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can add > > your own > > > > being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers and > > get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments > > > > the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do very > > good synth type sounds > > > > the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter > > and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1 and > > was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this > > > > yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 key > > sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 filter > > with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod wheel > > made it so much fatter with doing chords > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jason Adkins > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > > > > > > > > Hiya, > > > > I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad. > > I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the > > DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did they > > release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they didn't > > want to take sales away from the DSS-1? > > > > J > > > > On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote: > > > >> yes but the akai are so clinical digital > >> > >> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog filters > >> and they are warm > >> > >> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and > >> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res > >> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital synths > >> through it > >> > >> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION > >> > >> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter > >> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this > >> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the > >> matrix12 > >> > >> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in fzf > >> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what > >> waveshapes you want > >> > >> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg > >> series > >> > >> same for the uwave and the uwavext > >> > >> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq > >> > >> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range > >> > >> the prophet vs including my user waves > >> > >> the kawai k3 k1/k4/ > >> > >> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths > >> > >> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered with > >> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches > >> > >> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers by > >> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves lower > >> you can get very fat sounds > >> > >> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled but > >> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the dco > >> of the roland series > >> > >> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune control > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Jason Adkins > >> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > >> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM > >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > >> > >> > >> > >> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie. > >> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as good > >> as > >> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without > >> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love the > >> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue > >> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder everybody > >> and > >> his wife bought an Akai. > >> > >> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some interesting > >> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again). > >> > >> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on match of > >> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for the > >> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today. > >> > >> J > >> > >> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote: > >> > >>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs > >>> > >>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the near > >>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card > >>> > >>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks > >>> > >>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it > >>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy > >>> > >>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog > >>> filters > >>> > >>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy to > >>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and adding a > >>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc becuase > >>> you need 7v for that > >>> > >>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv > >>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any midi > >>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s > >>> > >>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials but > >>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style > >>> > >>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set > >>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes and > >>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a > >>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg > >>> wavetables > >>> > >>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it or > >>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to use > >>> the same single cycle additive waveform > >>> > >>> for slot one and the end slot > >>> > >>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and it > >>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd > >>> > >>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari > >>> > >>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and atari > >>> > >>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like this > >>> and made it easy for looping > >>> > >>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep them > >>> like the ppg > >>> > >>> i have done all the ppg > >>> > >>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg > >>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle > >>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image > >>> > >>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Jason Adkins > >>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > >>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Hi Jammie, > >>> > >>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here > >>> has > >>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to. > >>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I used > >>> to > >>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things > >>> are > >>> f**king huge. > >>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS? > >>> > >>> J > >>> > >>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote: > >>> > >>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers the > >>>> k3 > >>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin synthesis > >>>> > >>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you > >>>> can > >>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable > >>>> > >>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: jammie > >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20 > >>>> > >>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software > >>>> > >>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive > >>>> > >>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: Jason Adkins > >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > >>>> > >>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section > >>>> sounds > >>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other > >>>> synth/ > >>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg > >>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs for > >>>> the > >>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland > >>>> samplers > >>>> and the Fairlight of course. > >>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing > >>>> using a slider too. > >>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a > >>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could > >>>> have a > >>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a Jaz > >>>> drive. > >>>> > >>>> J > >>>> > >>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , > >>>>> and by now the prices of a > >>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... > >>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? > >>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology > >>>>> personally? > >>>>> i am interested adapting > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> charles > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> > >>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM > >>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image it > >>>>>>> cant > >>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image back > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as > >>>>>>> its a > >>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 > >>>>>>> can > >>>>>>> use the scsi > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins > >>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies? > >>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> J > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> so a little o.t. > >>>>>>>> but > >>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , > >>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the > >>>>>>>> fz10m > >>>>>>>> > 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Re: casio fz10m
2012-10-22 by charles c
you guys are off topic and what does this have to do with the original thread? charles] --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
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> > yes the mono tribe is pure analog electronics > > but descrete analog electronics is the way to go and easy to repair and get parts for but the use 4-5 times the amount of components but they are matches better > > and provide superior sound > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jason Adkins > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:47 PM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > > > > Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try and > reply or argue with that. > My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I believe > is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly > sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139 new I > have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and moog's + > others and this is equally nice. > > J > > On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote: > > > it was becuase every thing went digital > > > > the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and 01w > > > > they were pure digital machines with no res filter > > > > the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters > > > > ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters with > > digital osc > > > > but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital synths > > and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly > > synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog vca > > > > this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great > > > > so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters > > > > doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one > > thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing > > fast enough > > > > and you get samples in time delay for feed back > > > > unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input > > > > with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the begining > > which adds latency > > > > roland did it but it was good but analog it was not > > > > casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital control > > by cpu and analog audio path > > > > all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu control > > the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled and > > they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN > > > > the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and > > hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters > > > > this was first done on an 8bit system > > > > thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a little > > steppy > > > > the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit > > dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000 it > > was left as 8bits and is very steppy > > > > for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital > > and a new analog filter > > > > out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series > > samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best > > > > yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths > > > > as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/ > > asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs can > > do > > > > i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1 > > > > i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could do > > the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding > > > > and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the fealing > > of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves > > losing all the detail of the wavetable > > > > even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did > > not use res > > > > the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the table > > with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used sin/ > > tri/square/saw noise waves > > > > i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you can > > do some neat filter tricks > > > > i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having the > > 135mb optical drives > > > > i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks > > > > and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that > > > > i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware sequencer > > > > kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack > > > > tx16w > > > > the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex > > > > the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file support > > > > EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2 > > > > i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII > > > > but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second > > hand mula > > > > i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can add > > your own > > > > being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers and > > get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments > > > > the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do very > > good synth type sounds > > > > the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter > > and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1 and > > was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this > > > > yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 key > > sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 filter > > with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod wheel > > made it so much fatter with doing chords > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jason Adkins > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > > > > > > > > Hiya, > > > > I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad. > > I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the > > DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did they > > release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they didn't > > want to take sales away from the DSS-1? > > > > J > > > > On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote: > > > >> yes but the akai are so clinical digital > >> > >> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog filters > >> and they are warm > >> > >> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and > >> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res > >> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital synths > >> through it > >> > >> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION > >> > >> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter > >> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this > >> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the > >> matrix12 > >> > >> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in fzf > >> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what > >> waveshapes you want > >> > >> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg > >> series > >> > >> same for the uwave and the uwavext > >> > >> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq > >> > >> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range > >> > >> the prophet vs including my user waves > >> > >> the kawai k3 k1/k4/ > >> > >> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths > >> > >> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered with > >> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches > >> > >> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers by > >> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves lower > >> you can get very fat sounds > >> > >> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled but > >> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the dco > >> of the roland series > >> > >> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune control > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Jason Adkins > >> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > >> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM > >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > >> > >> > >> > >> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie. > >> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as good > >> as > >> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without > >> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love the > >> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue > >> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder everybody > >> and > >> his wife bought an Akai. > >> > >> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some interesting > >> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again). > >> > >> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on match of > >> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for the > >> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today. > >> > >> J > >> > >> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote: > >> > >>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs > >>> > >>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the near > >>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card > >>> > >>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks > >>> > >>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it > >>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy > >>> > >>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog > >>> filters > >>> > >>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy to > >>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and adding a > >>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc becuase > >>> you need 7v for that > >>> > >>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv > >>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any midi > >>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s > >>> > >>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials but > >>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style > >>> > >>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set > >>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes and > >>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a > >>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg > >>> wavetables > >>> > >>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it or > >>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to use > >>> the same single cycle additive waveform > >>> > >>> for slot one and the end slot > >>> > >>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and it > >>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd > >>> > >>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari > >>> > >>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and atari > >>> > >>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like this > >>> and made it easy for looping > >>> > >>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep them > >>> like the ppg > >>> > >>> i have done all the ppg > >>> > >>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg > >>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle > >>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image > >>> > >>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Jason Adkins > >>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > >>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Hi Jammie, > >>> > >>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here > >>> has > >>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to. > >>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I used > >>> to > >>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things > >>> are > >>> f**king huge. > >>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS? > >>> > >>> J > >>> > >>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote: > >>> > >>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers the > >>>> k3 > >>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin synthesis > >>>> > >>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you > >>>> can > >>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable > >>>> > >>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: jammie > >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20 > >>>> > >>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software > >>>> > >>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive > >>>> > >>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: Jason Adkins > >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > >>>> > >>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section > >>>> sounds > >>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other > >>>> synth/ > >>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg > >>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs for > >>>> the > >>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland > >>>> samplers > >>>> and the Fairlight of course. > >>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing > >>>> using a slider too. > >>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a > >>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could > >>>> have a > >>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a Jaz > >>>> drive. > >>>> > >>>> J > >>>> > >>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , > >>>>> and by now the prices of a > >>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... > >>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? > >>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology > >>>>> personally? > >>>>> i am interested adapting > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> charles > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> > >>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM > >>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image it > >>>>>>> cant > >>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image back > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as > >>>>>>> its a > >>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 > >>>>>>> can > >>>>>>> use the scsi > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins > >>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies? > >>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> J > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> so a little o.t. > >>>>>>>> but > >>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , > >>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the > >>>>>>>> fz10m > >>>>>>>> > 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Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
2012-10-23 by jammie
yes there are 16 of them same filter chips as the dss1 which has 8 of them the dss1 uses the dual vca mixer with cv control the dsm1 does not use the dual vca mixer section its tied to ground also there is no filter res control becuase its tied to ground zero res the dsm1 has 4 times the memory of a standard dss1 4 x 256k banks the dsm1 is 4 part multitimbral hence why you can do vs type sounds on it
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----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Lofgren
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
My apologies for being a bit stupid - but I thought the DSM was a rack version of the DSS - containing the same stuff? No analog filters in the DSM?
/C
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> From: Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...>
>To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 2:50 AM
>Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>
>
>
>You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie.
>I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as good as
>the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without
>f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love the
>digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue
>filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder everybody and
>his wife bought an Akai.
>
>I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some interesting
>stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again).
>
>Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on match of
>the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for the
>first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today.
>
>J
>
>On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote:
>
>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs
>>
>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the near
>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card
>>
>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks
>>
>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it
>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy
>>
>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog
>> filters
>>
>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy to
>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and adding a
>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc becuase
>> you need 7v for that
>>
>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv
>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any midi
>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s
>>
>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials but
>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style
>>
>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set
>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes and
>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a
>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg
>> wavetables
>>
>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it or
>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to use
>> the same single cycle additive waveform
>>
>> for slot one and the end slot
>>
>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and it
>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd
>>
>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari
>>
>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and atari
>>
>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like this
>> and made it easy for looping
>>
>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep them
>> like the ppg
>>
>> i have done all the ppg
>>
>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg
>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle
>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image
>>
>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jason Adkins
>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Jammie,
>>
>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here has
>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to.
>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I used to
>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things are
>> f**king huge.
>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS?
>>
>> J
>>
>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote:
>>
>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers the k3
>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin synthesis
>>>
>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you can
>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable
>>>
>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: jammie
>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20
>>>
>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software
>>>
>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive
>>>
>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>
>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section sounds
>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other synth/
>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg
>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs for
>>> the
>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland samplers
>>> and the Fairlight of course.
>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing
>>> using a slider too.
>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a
>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could have a
>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a Jaz
>>> drive.
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>>>
>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ ,
>>>> and by now the prices of a
>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed.....
>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb?
>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology personally?
>>>> i am interested adapting
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> charles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>
>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image it
>>>>>> cant
>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20
>>>>>>
>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image back to
>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as
>>>>>> its a
>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 can
>>>>>> use the scsi
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies?
>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so a little o.t.
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m ,
>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the
>>>>>>> fz10m
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> charles
>>>>>>>
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
2012-10-23 by jammie
the hxc rev f is a standard drop in 3.5" drive
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From: analogmonster@...
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:59 PM
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
Back to scsi and the hxc floppy emulator. I have quite recently bought both for 2 other devices, hxc for a circuit bent akai sampler and a scsi cd drive and internal scsi hd for my kurzweil 2500. The hxc is amazing, but does have a few pitfalls. One problem is fixed, as for more expense you can buy one that will slot right in place of a 3.5" drive. I had to case mod to put my drive in and it was a bit of a bodge job. I also had an sd card that turned out to be a little unstable-it is more stable with certain cards-check the site.
The way it works is you create empty disks on your pc, fill up your sd card with these disk files and put it in the hxc. These files are a bit larger than the equivilent floppy-my 1.44mb emulated disks are more like 2mb per disk. You can then save/load each file like its an individual floppy. It still takes an age to read or write as its a virtual floppy drive.
The big issue for you is its not currently a supported device. This is not the end of the world though, the developer is very helpful and will do all he can to get it sorted-Presumably the more supported devices the more sales for him. There is a disk analysis program that helps you build the right disk file types, but id assume theres no guarantee the hxc will work with an unsupported device.
Scsi is really cool but pretty pricey. I completely gave up on finding a mac compatible scsi interface-theyre not made any more so youre looking at £150+ second hand. Theyre more readily available for windows based pcs but be aware drivers are unlikely to be up to date, so you may need to go for dual operating system if youre running a modern pc.
Having 2 zip drives, 1 scsi 1 usb is the common way of doing things and its what i will probably be doing. I have installed an internal hd, which i can write to and read from. I hae a scsi cd drive. Its actually a cdrw drive, but i cant write to it. Its handy for getting large pre edited samples to the kurzweil by burning disks using the cd drive on my mac, but doesnt really give me what i wanted.
Hope this helps
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2012-10-23 by jammie
i mentioned both programs i have both for atari and mac
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From: charlie midi gfa
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
jammi
i think you are forgetiing about turbo synth , and soft synth
this was sound designers mate
it too was a digidesign program,,
god bless rainer broadsen
and digidesign! i have for atari all mentioned
charles
----- Original Message -----
From: "jammie" <jammie.emma@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs
>
> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the near future
> it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card
>
> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks
>
> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it has 4
> multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy
>
> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog filters
>
> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy to cut a
> trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and adding a pot to a 5v
> source this willgive good res but not self osc becuase you need 7v for
> that
>
> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv controller you
> get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any midi cc control they are
> 0-5 v cv,s
>
> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials but you
> also get to do them on a table ppg style
>
> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set volume
> envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes and the you
> interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a spectral
> variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg wavetables
>
> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it or what
> ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to use the same
> single cycle additive waveform
>
> for slot one and the end slot
>
> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and it could
> do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd
>
> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari
>
> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and atari
>
> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like this and
> made it easy for looping
>
> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep them like
> the ppg
>
> i have done all the ppg
>
> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg but they
> sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle waves then they
> compute the other half as a mirror image
>
> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jason Adkins
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>
>
>
> Hi Jammie,
>
> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here has
> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to.
> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I used to
> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things are
> f**king huge.
> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS?
>
> J
>
> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote:
>
> > and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers the k3
> > k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin synthesis
> >
> > but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you can
> > link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable
> >
> > a bit like the emax spectral synth generation
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: jammie
> > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
> >
> >
> >
> > yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20
> >
> > but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software
> >
> > and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive
> >
> > the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jason Adkins
> > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
> >
> > I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section sounds
> > superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other synth/
> > sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg
> > DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs for
> > the
> > Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland samplers
> > and the Fairlight of course.
> > I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing
> > using a slider too.
> > I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a
> > studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could have a
> > look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a Jaz
> > drive.
> >
> > J
> >
> > On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote:
> >
> >> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ ,
> >> and by now the prices of a
> >> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed.....
> >> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb?
> >> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology personally?
> >> i am interested adapting
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> charles
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>
> >> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
> >>
> >>
> >>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image it
> >>>> cant
> >>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20
> >>>>
> >>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image back to
> >>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed
> >>>>
> >>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as its a
> >>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 can
> >>>> use the scsi
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: Jason Adkins
> >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies?
> >>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI?
> >>>>
> >>>> J
> >>>>
> >>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> so a little o.t.
> >>>>> but
> >>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m ,
> >>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 )
> >>>>>
> >>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the
> >>>>> fz10m
> >>>>>
> >>>>> charles
> >>>>>
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2012-10-23 by jammie
i have fitted 1 to my fz1 and there is no soldering involved you only have to solder if using a pc type floppy drive becuase they dont have the required jumpers you have to solder links to make it work
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----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Lofgren
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
Has anyone on the list actually installed the Lothareks floppy emulator? I'm on the edge of ordering one (actually two - one for an Emax I as well). But I'm not a genius when it comes to soldering and stuff. How easy are these things to install?
/C
>________________________________
> From: Francis Cote <francis.cote@...>
>To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:22 PM
>Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>
>
>
>The Lotharek's Sd floppy emulator is the way to go.
>
>Can't give you a link as I'm at work using my phone to answer. Do a search.
>I've seen this work on a Mirage and it's just beatiful!
>
>No more screwing around floppies.
>I need to get it for my akai s950. It comes cheaper than a replacement
>floppy, and you can put a pile if floppy images in a 4 gb SD card.
>
>Francis
>On Oct 18, 2012 1:13 PM, "charlie midi gfa" <charles.copp@...>
>wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> so a little o.t.
>> but
>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m ,
>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 )
>>
>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the fz10m
>>
>> charles
>>
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
2012-10-23 by jammie
i was asked a question by a member even if its of topic i answered it
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From: charles c
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:58 PM
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
you guys are off topic and what does this have to do with the original thread?
charles]
--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>
> yes the mono tribe is pure analog electronics
>
> but descrete analog electronics is the way to go and easy to repair and get parts for but the use 4-5 times the amount of components but they are matches better
>
> and provide superior sound
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jason Adkins
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>
>
>
> Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try and
> reply or argue with that.
> My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I believe
> is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly
> sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139 new I
> have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and moog's +
> others and this is equally nice.
>
> J
>
> On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote:
>
> > it was becuase every thing went digital
> >
> > the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and 01w
> >
> > they were pure digital machines with no res filter
> >
> > the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters
> >
> > ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters with
> > digital osc
> >
> > but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital synths
> > and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly
> > synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog vca
> >
> > this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great
> >
> > so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters
> >
> > doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one
> > thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing
> > fast enough
> >
> > and you get samples in time delay for feed back
> >
> > unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input
> >
> > with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the begining
> > which adds latency
> >
> > roland did it but it was good but analog it was not
> >
> > casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital control
> > by cpu and analog audio path
> >
> > all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu control
> > the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled and
> > they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN
> >
> > the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and
> > hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters
> >
> > this was first done on an 8bit system
> >
> > thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a little
> > steppy
> >
> > the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit
> > dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000 it
> > was left as 8bits and is very steppy
> >
> > for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital
> > and a new analog filter
> >
> > out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series
> > samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best
> >
> > yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths
> >
> > as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/
> > asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs can
> > do
> >
> > i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1
> >
> > i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could do
> > the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding
> >
> > and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the fealing
> > of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves
> > losing all the detail of the wavetable
> >
> > even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did
> > not use res
> >
> > the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the table
> > with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used sin/
> > tri/square/saw noise waves
> >
> > i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you can
> > do some neat filter tricks
> >
> > i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having the
> > 135mb optical drives
> >
> > i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks
> >
> > and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that
> >
> > i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware sequencer
> >
> > kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack
> >
> > tx16w
> >
> > the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex
> >
> > the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file support
> >
> > EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2
> >
> > i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII
> >
> > but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second
> > hand mula
> >
> > i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can add
> > your own
> >
> > being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers and
> > get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments
> >
> > the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do very
> > good synth type sounds
> >
> > the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter
> > and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1 and
> > was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this
> >
> > yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 key
> > sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 filter
> > with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod wheel
> > made it so much fatter with doing chords
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jason Adkins
> > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
> >
> >
> >
> > Hiya,
> >
> > I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad.
> > I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the
> > DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did they
> > release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they didn't
> > want to take sales away from the DSS-1?
> >
> > J
> >
> > On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote:
> >
> >> yes but the akai are so clinical digital
> >>
> >> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog filters
> >> and they are warm
> >>
> >> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and
> >> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res
> >> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital synths
> >> through it
> >>
> >> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION
> >>
> >> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter
> >> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this
> >> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the
> >> matrix12
> >>
> >> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in fzf
> >> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what
> >> waveshapes you want
> >>
> >> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg
> >> series
> >>
> >> same for the uwave and the uwavext
> >>
> >> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq
> >>
> >> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range
> >>
> >> the prophet vs including my user waves
> >>
> >> the kawai k3 k1/k4/
> >>
> >> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths
> >>
> >> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered with
> >> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches
> >>
> >> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers by
> >> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves lower
> >> you can get very fat sounds
> >>
> >> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled but
> >> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the dco
> >> of the roland series
> >>
> >> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune control
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Jason Adkins
> >> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> >> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie.
> >> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as good
> >> as
> >> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without
> >> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love the
> >> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue
> >> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder everybody
> >> and
> >> his wife bought an Akai.
> >>
> >> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some interesting
> >> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again).
> >>
> >> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on match of
> >> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for the
> >> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today.
> >>
> >> J
> >>
> >> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote:
> >>
> >>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs
> >>>
> >>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the near
> >>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card
> >>>
> >>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks
> >>>
> >>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it
> >>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy
> >>>
> >>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog
> >>> filters
> >>>
> >>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy to
> >>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and adding a
> >>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc becuase
> >>> you need 7v for that
> >>>
> >>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv
> >>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any midi
> >>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s
> >>>
> >>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials but
> >>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style
> >>>
> >>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set
> >>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes and
> >>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a
> >>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg
> >>> wavetables
> >>>
> >>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it or
> >>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to use
> >>> the same single cycle additive waveform
> >>>
> >>> for slot one and the end slot
> >>>
> >>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and it
> >>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd
> >>>
> >>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari
> >>>
> >>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and atari
> >>>
> >>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like this
> >>> and made it easy for looping
> >>>
> >>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep them
> >>> like the ppg
> >>>
> >>> i have done all the ppg
> >>>
> >>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg
> >>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle
> >>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image
> >>>
> >>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Jason Adkins
> >>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> >>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Jammie,
> >>>
> >>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here
> >>> has
> >>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to.
> >>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I used
> >>> to
> >>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things
> >>> are
> >>> f**king huge.
> >>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS?
> >>>
> >>> J
> >>>
> >>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers the
> >>>> k3
> >>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin synthesis
> >>>>
> >>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you
> >>>> can
> >>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable
> >>>>
> >>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: jammie
> >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20
> >>>>
> >>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software
> >>>>
> >>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive
> >>>>
> >>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: Jason Adkins
> >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
> >>>>
> >>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section
> >>>> sounds
> >>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other
> >>>> synth/
> >>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg
> >>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs for
> >>>> the
> >>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland
> >>>> samplers
> >>>> and the Fairlight of course.
> >>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing
> >>>> using a slider too.
> >>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a
> >>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could
> >>>> have a
> >>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a Jaz
> >>>> drive.
> >>>>
> >>>> J
> >>>>
> >>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ ,
> >>>>> and by now the prices of a
> >>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed.....
> >>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb?
> >>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology
> >>>>> personally?
> >>>>> i am interested adapting
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> charles
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>
> >>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image it
> >>>>>>> cant
> >>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image back
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as
> >>>>>>> its a
> >>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20
> >>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>> use the scsi
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
> >>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies?
> >>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> J
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> so a little o.t.
> >>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m ,
> >>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 )
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the
> >>>>>>>> fz10m
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]Re: casio fz10m
2012-10-23 by analogmonster@ymail.com
Yes, see my later post. No soldering required, it doesn't come in kit form. I would highly recommend the more expensive REV F 3.5" format version, rather than cased or uncased earlier REVs. I didnt get the REV F as it wasnt available when I bought mine, and the real headache was finding a way to mod the case so it would work. With the REV F It should then be a straight swap, just taking the casing off and putting it in. The emax will be fine, it is in the supported devices. The FZ10 is a different story. I thought you were going to come across some issues but I have just discovered it is ALMOST supported. It is supported in a beta version of the windows software. See this forum, about someone fitting it to an FZ1 http://torlus.com/floppy/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=408&start=15 Note I am not affiliated with these guys, I just love old casio gear (loving my new vz-10m) and an fz10 was on my list of future gear to buy. Seeing the HXC will support it soon pushes it up the list somewhat! --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lofgren <carl_lofgren@...> wrote:
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> > Has anyone on the list actually installed the Lothareks floppy emulator? I'm on the edge of ordering one (actually two - one for an Emax I as well). But I'm not a genius when it comes to soldering and stuff. How easy are these things to install? > > /C > > > > >________________________________ > > From: Francis Cote <francis.cote@...> > >To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > >Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:22 PM > >Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > > > > > >Â > >The Lotharek's Sd floppy emulator is the way to go. > > > >Can't give you a link as I'm at work using my phone to answer. Do a search. > >I've seen this work on a Mirage and it's just beatiful! > > > >No more screwing around floppies. > >I need to get it for my akai s950. It comes cheaper than a replacement > >floppy, and you can put a pile if floppy images in a 4 gb SD card. > > > >Francis > >On Oct 18, 2012 1:13 PM, "charlie midi gfa" <charles.copp@...> > >wrote: > > > >> ** > >> > >> > >> so a little o.t. > >> but > >> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , > >> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) > >> > >> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the fz10m > >> > >> charles > >> > >> > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
2012-10-23 by Jason Adkins
I think we are both in trouble I'm going to sit in the naughty corner. J
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On 23 Oct 2012, at 14:31, jammie wrote: > i was asked a question by a member even if its of topic i answered it > ----- Original Message ----- > From: charles c > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:58 PM > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m > > > > you guys are off topic and what does this have to do with the > original thread? > charles] > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote: >> >> yes the mono tribe is pure analog electronics >> >> but descrete analog electronics is the way to go and easy to repair >> and get parts for but the use 4-5 times the amount of components >> but they are matches better >> >> and provide superior sound >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jason Adkins >> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:47 PM >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >> >> >> >> Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try and >> reply or argue with that. >> My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I believe >> is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly >> sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139 new I >> have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and moog's + >> others and this is equally nice. >> >> J >> >> On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote: >> >>> it was becuase every thing went digital >>> >>> the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and >>> 01w >>> >>> they were pure digital machines with no res filter >>> >>> the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters >>> >>> ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters with >>> digital osc >>> >>> but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital synths >>> and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly >>> synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog vca >>> >>> this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great >>> >>> so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters >>> >>> doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one >>> thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing >>> fast enough >>> >>> and you get samples in time delay for feed back >>> >>> unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input >>> >>> with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the begining >>> which adds latency >>> >>> roland did it but it was good but analog it was not >>> >>> casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital control >>> by cpu and analog audio path >>> >>> all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu control >>> the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled and >>> they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN >>> >>> the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and >>> hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters >>> >>> this was first done on an 8bit system >>> >>> thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a little >>> steppy >>> >>> the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit >>> dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000 it >>> was left as 8bits and is very steppy >>> >>> for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital >>> and a new analog filter >>> >>> out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series >>> samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best >>> >>> yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths >>> >>> as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/ >>> asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs can >>> do >>> >>> i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1 >>> >>> i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could do >>> the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding >>> >>> and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the fealing >>> of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves >>> losing all the detail of the wavetable >>> >>> even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did >>> not use res >>> >>> the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the table >>> with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used >>> sin/ >>> tri/square/saw noise waves >>> >>> i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you can >>> do some neat filter tricks >>> >>> i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having the >>> 135mb optical drives >>> >>> i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks >>> >>> and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that >>> >>> i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware >>> sequencer >>> >>> kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack >>> >>> tx16w >>> >>> the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex >>> >>> the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file support >>> >>> EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2 >>> >>> i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII >>> >>> but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second >>> hand mula >>> >>> i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can add >>> your own >>> >>> being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers and >>> get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments >>> >>> the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do very >>> good synth type sounds >>> >>> the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter >>> and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1 and >>> was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this >>> >>> yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 key >>> sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 filter >>> with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod wheel >>> made it so much fatter with doing chords >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Jason Adkins >>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>> >>> >>> >>> Hiya, >>> >>> I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad. >>> I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the >>> DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did they >>> release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they didn't >>> want to take sales away from the DSS-1? >>> >>> J >>> >>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote: >>> >>>> yes but the akai are so clinical digital >>>> >>>> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog filters >>>> and they are warm >>>> >>>> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and >>>> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res >>>> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital synths >>>> through it >>>> >>>> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION >>>> >>>> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter >>>> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this >>>> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the >>>> matrix12 >>>> >>>> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in fzf >>>> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what >>>> waveshapes you want >>>> >>>> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg >>>> series >>>> >>>> same for the uwave and the uwavext >>>> >>>> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq >>>> >>>> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range >>>> >>>> the prophet vs including my user waves >>>> >>>> the kawai k3 k1/k4/ >>>> >>>> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths >>>> >>>> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered >>>> with >>>> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches >>>> >>>> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers by >>>> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves >>>> lower >>>> you can get very fat sounds >>>> >>>> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled >>>> but >>>> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the dco >>>> of the roland series >>>> >>>> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune control >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie. >>>> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as good >>>> as >>>> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without >>>> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love >>>> the >>>> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue >>>> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder everybody >>>> and >>>> his wife bought an Akai. >>>> >>>> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some interesting >>>> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again). >>>> >>>> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on >>>> match of >>>> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for >>>> the >>>> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today. >>>> >>>> J >>>> >>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote: >>>> >>>>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs >>>>> >>>>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the near >>>>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card >>>>> >>>>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks >>>>> >>>>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it >>>>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy >>>>> >>>>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog >>>>> filters >>>>> >>>>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy >>>>> to >>>>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and >>>>> adding a >>>>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc becuase >>>>> you need 7v for that >>>>> >>>>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv >>>>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any >>>>> midi >>>>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s >>>>> >>>>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials but >>>>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style >>>>> >>>>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set >>>>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes >>>>> and >>>>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a >>>>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg >>>>> wavetables >>>>> >>>>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it >>>>> or >>>>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to >>>>> use >>>>> the same single cycle additive waveform >>>>> >>>>> for slot one and the end slot >>>>> >>>>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and it >>>>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd >>>>> >>>>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari >>>>> >>>>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and >>>>> atari >>>>> >>>>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like >>>>> this >>>>> and made it easy for looping >>>>> >>>>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep >>>>> them >>>>> like the ppg >>>>> >>>>> i have done all the ppg >>>>> >>>>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg >>>>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle >>>>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image >>>>> >>>>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Jammie, >>>>> >>>>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here >>>>> has >>>>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to. >>>>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I used >>>>> to >>>>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things >>>>> are >>>>> f**king huge. >>>>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS? >>>>> >>>>> J >>>>> >>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers the >>>>>> k3 >>>>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin >>>>>> synthesis >>>>>> >>>>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you >>>>>> can >>>>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable >>>>>> >>>>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: jammie >>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20 >>>>>> >>>>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software >>>>>> >>>>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive >>>>>> >>>>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section >>>>>> sounds >>>>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other >>>>>> synth/ >>>>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg >>>>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs >>>>>> for >>>>>> the >>>>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland >>>>>> samplers >>>>>> and the Fairlight of course. >>>>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing >>>>>> using a slider too. >>>>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a >>>>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could >>>>>> have a >>>>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a >>>>>> Jaz >>>>>> drive. >>>>>> >>>>>> J >>>>>> >>>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , >>>>>>> and by now the prices of a >>>>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... >>>>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? >>>>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology >>>>>>> personally? >>>>>>> i am interested adapting >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> charles >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>>>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> cant >>>>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image >>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as >>>>>>>>> its a >>>>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 >>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>> use the scsi >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies? >>>>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> so a little o.t. >>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , >>>>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita 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Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
2012-10-24 by charlie midi gfa
im bad for this too , but lets remmeber to address the originator of the thread and not the followers,,any side longed comments or items should have their own thread , else the group will look like crap... i did however manage to fix repair and re-install the original drive for the fz10m..so now i want to do disk trades..new thread! charles
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m I think we are both in trouble I'm going to sit in the naughty corner. J On 23 Oct 2012, at 14:31, jammie wrote: > i was asked a question by a member even if its of topic i answered it > ----- Original Message ----- > From: charles c > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:58 PM > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m > > > > you guys are off topic and what does this have to do with the > original thread? > charles] > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote: >> >> yes the mono tribe is pure analog electronics >> >> but descrete analog electronics is the way to go and easy to repair >> and get parts for but the use 4-5 times the amount of components >> but they are matches better >> >> and provide superior sound >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jason Adkins >> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:47 PM >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >> >> >> >> Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try and >> reply or argue with that. >> My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I believe >> is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly >> sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139 new I >> have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and moog's + >> others and this is equally nice. >> >> J >> >> On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote: >> >>> it was becuase every thing went digital >>> >>> the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and >>> 01w >>> >>> they were pure digital machines with no res filter >>> >>> the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters >>> >>> ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters with >>> digital osc >>> >>> but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital synths >>> and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly >>> synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog vca >>> >>> this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great >>> >>> so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters >>> >>> doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one >>> thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing >>> fast enough >>> >>> and you get samples in time delay for feed back >>> >>> unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input >>> >>> with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the begining >>> which adds latency >>> >>> roland did it but it was good but analog it was not >>> >>> casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital control >>> by cpu and analog audio path >>> >>> all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu control >>> the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled and >>> they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN >>> >>> the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and >>> hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters >>> >>> this was first done on an 8bit system >>> >>> thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a little >>> steppy >>> >>> the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit >>> dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000 it >>> was left as 8bits and is very steppy >>> >>> for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital >>> and a new analog filter >>> >>> out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series >>> samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best >>> >>> yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths >>> >>> as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/ >>> asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs can >>> do >>> >>> i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1 >>> >>> i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could do >>> the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding >>> >>> and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the fealing >>> of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves >>> losing all the detail of the wavetable >>> >>> even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did >>> not use res >>> >>> the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the table >>> with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used >>> sin/ >>> tri/square/saw noise waves >>> >>> i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you can >>> do some neat filter tricks >>> >>> i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having the >>> 135mb optical drives >>> >>> i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks >>> >>> and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that >>> >>> i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware >>> sequencer >>> >>> kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack >>> >>> tx16w >>> >>> the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex >>> >>> the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file support >>> >>> EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2 >>> >>> i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII >>> >>> but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second >>> hand mula >>> >>> i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can add >>> your own >>> >>> being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers and >>> get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments >>> >>> the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do very >>> good synth type sounds >>> >>> the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter >>> and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1 and >>> was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this >>> >>> yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 key >>> sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 filter >>> with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod wheel >>> made it so much fatter with doing chords >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Jason Adkins >>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>> >>> >>> >>> Hiya, >>> >>> I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad. >>> I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the >>> DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did they >>> release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they didn't >>> want to take sales away from the DSS-1? >>> >>> J >>> >>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote: >>> >>>> yes but the akai are so clinical digital >>>> >>>> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog filters >>>> and they are warm >>>> >>>> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and >>>> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res >>>> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital synths >>>> through it >>>> >>>> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION >>>> >>>> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter >>>> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this >>>> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the >>>> matrix12 >>>> >>>> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in fzf >>>> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what >>>> waveshapes you want >>>> >>>> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg >>>> series >>>> >>>> same for the uwave and the uwavext >>>> >>>> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq >>>> >>>> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range >>>> >>>> the prophet vs including my user waves >>>> >>>> the kawai k3 k1/k4/ >>>> >>>> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths >>>> >>>> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered >>>> with >>>> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches >>>> >>>> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers by >>>> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves >>>> lower >>>> you can get very fat sounds >>>> >>>> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled >>>> but >>>> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the dco >>>> of the roland series >>>> >>>> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune control >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie. >>>> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as good >>>> as >>>> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without >>>> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love >>>> the >>>> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue >>>> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder everybody >>>> and >>>> his wife bought an Akai. >>>> >>>> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some interesting >>>> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again). >>>> >>>> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on >>>> match of >>>> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for >>>> the >>>> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today. >>>> >>>> J >>>> >>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote: >>>> >>>>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs >>>>> >>>>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the near >>>>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card >>>>> >>>>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks >>>>> >>>>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it >>>>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy >>>>> >>>>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog >>>>> filters >>>>> >>>>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy >>>>> to >>>>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and >>>>> adding a >>>>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc becuase >>>>> you need 7v for that >>>>> >>>>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv >>>>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any >>>>> midi >>>>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s >>>>> >>>>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials but >>>>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style >>>>> >>>>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set >>>>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes >>>>> and >>>>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a >>>>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg >>>>> wavetables >>>>> >>>>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it >>>>> or >>>>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to >>>>> use >>>>> the same single cycle additive waveform >>>>> >>>>> for slot one and the end slot >>>>> >>>>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and it >>>>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd >>>>> >>>>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari >>>>> >>>>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and >>>>> atari >>>>> >>>>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like >>>>> this >>>>> and made it easy for looping >>>>> >>>>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep >>>>> them >>>>> like the ppg >>>>> >>>>> i have done all the ppg >>>>> >>>>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg >>>>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle >>>>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image >>>>> >>>>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Jammie, >>>>> >>>>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here >>>>> has >>>>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to. >>>>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I used >>>>> to >>>>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things >>>>> are >>>>> f**king huge. >>>>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS? >>>>> >>>>> J >>>>> >>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers the >>>>>> k3 >>>>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin >>>>>> synthesis >>>>>> >>>>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you >>>>>> can >>>>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable >>>>>> >>>>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: jammie >>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20 >>>>>> >>>>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software >>>>>> >>>>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive >>>>>> >>>>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section >>>>>> sounds >>>>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other >>>>>> synth/ >>>>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg >>>>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs >>>>>> for >>>>>> the >>>>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland >>>>>> samplers >>>>>> and the Fairlight of course. >>>>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing >>>>>> using a slider too. >>>>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a >>>>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could >>>>>> have a >>>>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a >>>>>> Jaz >>>>>> drive. >>>>>> >>>>>> J >>>>>> >>>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , >>>>>>> and by now the prices of a >>>>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... >>>>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? >>>>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology >>>>>>> personally? >>>>>>> i am interested adapting >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> charles >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>>>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> cant >>>>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image >>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as >>>>>>>>> its a >>>>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 >>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>> use the scsi >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies? >>>>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> so a little o.t. >>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , >>>>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita 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Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
2012-10-24 by Jason Adkins
Hey glad to hear it Charles did you take your false teeth out of the disk drive? J
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On 24 Oct 2012, at 02:34, charlie midi gfa wrote: > im bad for this too , but lets remmeber to address the originator > of the > thread and not the followers,,any side longed comments or items > should have > their own thread , else the group will look like crap... > > i did however manage to fix repair and re-install the original drive > for the > fz10m..so now i want to do disk trades..new thread! > > charles > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:59 AM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m > > > I think we are both in trouble I'm going to sit in the naughty corner. > > J > > On 23 Oct 2012, at 14:31, jammie wrote: > >> i was asked a question by a member even if its of topic i answered it >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: charles c >> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:58 PM >> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >> >> >> >> you guys are off topic and what does this have to do with the >> original thread? >> charles] >> >> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote: >>> >>> yes the mono tribe is pure analog electronics >>> >>> but descrete analog electronics is the way to go and easy to repair >>> and get parts for but the use 4-5 times the amount of components >>> but they are matches better >>> >>> and provide superior sound >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Jason Adkins >>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:47 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>> >>> >>> >>> Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try and >>> reply or argue with that. >>> My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I believe >>> is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly >>> sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139 new I >>> have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and moog's + >>> others and this is equally nice. >>> >>> J >>> >>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote: >>> >>>> it was becuase every thing went digital >>>> >>>> the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and >>>> 01w >>>> >>>> they were pure digital machines with no res filter >>>> >>>> the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters >>>> >>>> ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters >>>> with >>>> digital osc >>>> >>>> but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital synths >>>> and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly >>>> synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog >>>> vca >>>> >>>> this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great >>>> >>>> so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters >>>> >>>> doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one >>>> thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing >>>> fast enough >>>> >>>> and you get samples in time delay for feed back >>>> >>>> unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input >>>> >>>> with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the begining >>>> which adds latency >>>> >>>> roland did it but it was good but analog it was not >>>> >>>> casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital >>>> control >>>> by cpu and analog audio path >>>> >>>> all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu control >>>> the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled >>>> and >>>> they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN >>>> >>>> the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and >>>> hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters >>>> >>>> this was first done on an 8bit system >>>> >>>> thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a little >>>> steppy >>>> >>>> the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit >>>> dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000 >>>> it >>>> was left as 8bits and is very steppy >>>> >>>> for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital >>>> and a new analog filter >>>> >>>> out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series >>>> samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best >>>> >>>> yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths >>>> >>>> as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/ >>>> asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs >>>> can >>>> do >>>> >>>> i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1 >>>> >>>> i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could do >>>> the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding >>>> >>>> and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the fealing >>>> of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves >>>> losing all the detail of the wavetable >>>> >>>> even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did >>>> not use res >>>> >>>> the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the >>>> table >>>> with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used >>>> sin/ >>>> tri/square/saw noise waves >>>> >>>> i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you can >>>> do some neat filter tricks >>>> >>>> i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having >>>> the >>>> 135mb optical drives >>>> >>>> i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks >>>> >>>> and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that >>>> >>>> i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware >>>> sequencer >>>> >>>> kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack >>>> >>>> tx16w >>>> >>>> the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex >>>> >>>> the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file support >>>> >>>> EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2 >>>> >>>> i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII >>>> >>>> but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second >>>> hand mula >>>> >>>> i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can add >>>> your own >>>> >>>> being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers >>>> and >>>> get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments >>>> >>>> the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do very >>>> good synth type sounds >>>> >>>> the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter >>>> and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1 >>>> and >>>> was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this >>>> >>>> yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 key >>>> sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 filter >>>> with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod wheel >>>> made it so much fatter with doing chords >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hiya, >>>> >>>> I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad. >>>> I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the >>>> DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did >>>> they >>>> release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they didn't >>>> want to take sales away from the DSS-1? >>>> >>>> J >>>> >>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote: >>>> >>>>> yes but the akai are so clinical digital >>>>> >>>>> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog >>>>> filters >>>>> and they are warm >>>>> >>>>> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and >>>>> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res >>>>> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital synths >>>>> through it >>>>> >>>>> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION >>>>> >>>>> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter >>>>> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this >>>>> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the >>>>> matrix12 >>>>> >>>>> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in >>>>> fzf >>>>> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what >>>>> waveshapes you want >>>>> >>>>> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg >>>>> series >>>>> >>>>> same for the uwave and the uwavext >>>>> >>>>> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq >>>>> >>>>> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range >>>>> >>>>> the prophet vs including my user waves >>>>> >>>>> the kawai k3 k1/k4/ >>>>> >>>>> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths >>>>> >>>>> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered >>>>> with >>>>> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches >>>>> >>>>> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers >>>>> by >>>>> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves >>>>> lower >>>>> you can get very fat sounds >>>>> >>>>> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled >>>>> but >>>>> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the >>>>> dco >>>>> of the roland series >>>>> >>>>> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune control >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie. >>>>> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as >>>>> good >>>>> as >>>>> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without >>>>> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love >>>>> the >>>>> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue >>>>> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder everybody >>>>> and >>>>> his wife bought an Akai. >>>>> >>>>> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some interesting >>>>> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again). >>>>> >>>>> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on >>>>> match of >>>>> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for >>>>> the >>>>> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today. >>>>> >>>>> J >>>>> >>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs >>>>>> >>>>>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the >>>>>> near >>>>>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card >>>>>> >>>>>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks >>>>>> >>>>>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it >>>>>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy >>>>>> >>>>>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog >>>>>> filters >>>>>> >>>>>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy >>>>>> to >>>>>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and >>>>>> adding a >>>>>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc >>>>>> becuase >>>>>> you need 7v for that >>>>>> >>>>>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv >>>>>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any >>>>>> midi >>>>>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s >>>>>> >>>>>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials >>>>>> but >>>>>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style >>>>>> >>>>>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set >>>>>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes >>>>>> and >>>>>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a >>>>>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg >>>>>> wavetables >>>>>> >>>>>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it >>>>>> or >>>>>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to >>>>>> use >>>>>> the same single cycle additive waveform >>>>>> >>>>>> for slot one and the end slot >>>>>> >>>>>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and >>>>>> it >>>>>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd >>>>>> >>>>>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari >>>>>> >>>>>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and >>>>>> atari >>>>>> >>>>>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like >>>>>> this >>>>>> and made it easy for looping >>>>>> >>>>>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep >>>>>> them >>>>>> like the ppg >>>>>> >>>>>> i have done all the ppg >>>>>> >>>>>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg >>>>>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle >>>>>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image >>>>>> >>>>>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Jammie, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here >>>>>> has >>>>>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to. >>>>>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I >>>>>> used >>>>>> to >>>>>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things >>>>>> are >>>>>> f**king huge. >>>>>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS? >>>>>> >>>>>> J >>>>>> >>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> k3 >>>>>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin >>>>>>> synthesis >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable >>>>>>> >>>>>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: jammie >>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section >>>>>>> sounds >>>>>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other >>>>>>> synth/ >>>>>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the >>>>>>> Korg >>>>>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland >>>>>>> samplers >>>>>>> and the Fairlight of course. >>>>>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive >>>>>>> drawing >>>>>>> using a slider too. >>>>>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one >>>>>>> in a >>>>>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could >>>>>>> have a >>>>>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a >>>>>>> Jaz >>>>>>> drive. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , >>>>>>>> and by now the prices of a >>>>>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... >>>>>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? >>>>>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology >>>>>>>> personally? >>>>>>>> i am interested adapting >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> charles >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>>>>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> cant >>>>>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image >>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as >>>>>>>>>> its a >>>>>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 >>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>> use the scsi >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m >>>>>>>>>> floppies? >>>>>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> so a little o.t. >>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , >>>>>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> fz10m >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> charles >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yahoo! 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Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
2012-10-24 by charlie midi gfa
no , took my head out of the oven but seriousilly painfully re-alligned the read head manually, stoked , it is regained strenght!!!!!!! charles
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@tiscali.co.uk> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m Hey glad to hear it Charles did you take your false teeth out of the disk drive? J On 24 Oct 2012, at 02:34, charlie midi gfa wrote: > im bad for this too , but lets remmeber to address the originator > of the > thread and not the followers,,any side longed comments or items > should have > their own thread , else the group will look like crap... > > i did however manage to fix repair and re-install the original drive > for the > fz10m..so now i want to do disk trades..new thread! > > charles > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:59 AM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m > > > I think we are both in trouble I'm going to sit in the naughty corner. > > J > > On 23 Oct 2012, at 14:31, jammie wrote: > >> i was asked a question by a member even if its of topic i answered it >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: charles c >> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:58 PM >> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >> >> >> >> you guys are off topic and what does this have to do with the >> original thread? >> charles] >> >> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote: >>> >>> yes the mono tribe is pure analog electronics >>> >>> but descrete analog electronics is the way to go and easy to repair >>> and get parts for but the use 4-5 times the amount of components >>> but they are matches better >>> >>> and provide superior sound >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Jason Adkins >>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:47 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>> >>> >>> >>> Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try and >>> reply or argue with that. >>> My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I believe >>> is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly >>> sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139 new I >>> have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and moog's + >>> others and this is equally nice. >>> >>> J >>> >>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote: >>> >>>> it was becuase every thing went digital >>>> >>>> the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and >>>> 01w >>>> >>>> they were pure digital machines with no res filter >>>> >>>> the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters >>>> >>>> ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters >>>> with >>>> digital osc >>>> >>>> but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital synths >>>> and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly >>>> synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog >>>> vca >>>> >>>> this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great >>>> >>>> so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters >>>> >>>> doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one >>>> thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing >>>> fast enough >>>> >>>> and you get samples in time delay for feed back >>>> >>>> unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input >>>> >>>> with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the begining >>>> which adds latency >>>> >>>> roland did it but it was good but analog it was not >>>> >>>> casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital >>>> control >>>> by cpu and analog audio path >>>> >>>> all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu control >>>> the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled >>>> and >>>> they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN >>>> >>>> the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and >>>> hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters >>>> >>>> this was first done on an 8bit system >>>> >>>> thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a little >>>> steppy >>>> >>>> the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit >>>> dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000 >>>> it >>>> was left as 8bits and is very steppy >>>> >>>> for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital >>>> and a new analog filter >>>> >>>> out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series >>>> samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best >>>> >>>> yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths >>>> >>>> as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/ >>>> asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs >>>> can >>>> do >>>> >>>> i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1 >>>> >>>> i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could do >>>> the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding >>>> >>>> and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the fealing >>>> of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves >>>> losing all the detail of the wavetable >>>> >>>> even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did >>>> not use res >>>> >>>> the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the >>>> table >>>> with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used >>>> sin/ >>>> tri/square/saw noise waves >>>> >>>> i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you can >>>> do some neat filter tricks >>>> >>>> i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having >>>> the >>>> 135mb optical drives >>>> >>>> i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks >>>> >>>> and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that >>>> >>>> i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware >>>> sequencer >>>> >>>> kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack >>>> >>>> tx16w >>>> >>>> the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex >>>> >>>> the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file support >>>> >>>> EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2 >>>> >>>> i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII >>>> >>>> but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second >>>> hand mula >>>> >>>> i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can add >>>> your own >>>> >>>> being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers >>>> and >>>> get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments >>>> >>>> the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do very >>>> good synth type sounds >>>> >>>> the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter >>>> and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1 >>>> and >>>> was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this >>>> >>>> yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 key >>>> sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 filter >>>> with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod wheel >>>> made it so much fatter with doing chords >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hiya, >>>> >>>> I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad. >>>> I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the >>>> DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did >>>> they >>>> release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they didn't >>>> want to take sales away from the DSS-1? >>>> >>>> J >>>> >>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote: >>>> >>>>> yes but the akai are so clinical digital >>>>> >>>>> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog >>>>> filters >>>>> and they are warm >>>>> >>>>> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and >>>>> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res >>>>> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital synths >>>>> through it >>>>> >>>>> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION >>>>> >>>>> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter >>>>> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this >>>>> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the >>>>> matrix12 >>>>> >>>>> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in >>>>> fzf >>>>> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what >>>>> waveshapes you want >>>>> >>>>> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg >>>>> series >>>>> >>>>> same for the uwave and the uwavext >>>>> >>>>> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq >>>>> >>>>> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range >>>>> >>>>> the prophet vs including my user waves >>>>> >>>>> the kawai k3 k1/k4/ >>>>> >>>>> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths >>>>> >>>>> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered >>>>> with >>>>> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches >>>>> >>>>> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers >>>>> by >>>>> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves >>>>> lower >>>>> you can get very fat sounds >>>>> >>>>> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled >>>>> but >>>>> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the >>>>> dco >>>>> of the roland series >>>>> >>>>> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune control >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie. >>>>> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as >>>>> good >>>>> as >>>>> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without >>>>> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love >>>>> the >>>>> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue >>>>> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder everybody >>>>> and >>>>> his wife bought an Akai. >>>>> >>>>> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some interesting >>>>> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again). >>>>> >>>>> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on >>>>> match of >>>>> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for >>>>> the >>>>> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today. >>>>> >>>>> J >>>>> >>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs >>>>>> >>>>>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the >>>>>> near >>>>>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card >>>>>> >>>>>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks >>>>>> >>>>>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it >>>>>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy >>>>>> >>>>>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog >>>>>> filters >>>>>> >>>>>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy >>>>>> to >>>>>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and >>>>>> adding a >>>>>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc >>>>>> becuase >>>>>> you need 7v for that >>>>>> >>>>>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv >>>>>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any >>>>>> midi >>>>>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s >>>>>> >>>>>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials >>>>>> but >>>>>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style >>>>>> >>>>>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set >>>>>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes >>>>>> and >>>>>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a >>>>>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg >>>>>> wavetables >>>>>> >>>>>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it >>>>>> or >>>>>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to >>>>>> use >>>>>> the same single cycle additive waveform >>>>>> >>>>>> for slot one and the end slot >>>>>> >>>>>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and >>>>>> it >>>>>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd >>>>>> >>>>>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari >>>>>> >>>>>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and >>>>>> atari >>>>>> >>>>>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like >>>>>> this >>>>>> and made it easy for looping >>>>>> >>>>>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep >>>>>> them >>>>>> like the ppg >>>>>> >>>>>> i have done all the ppg >>>>>> >>>>>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg >>>>>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle >>>>>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image >>>>>> >>>>>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Jammie, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here >>>>>> has >>>>>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to. >>>>>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I >>>>>> used >>>>>> to >>>>>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things >>>>>> are >>>>>> f**king huge. >>>>>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS? >>>>>> >>>>>> J >>>>>> >>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> k3 >>>>>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin >>>>>>> synthesis >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable >>>>>>> >>>>>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: jammie >>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section >>>>>>> sounds >>>>>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other >>>>>>> synth/ >>>>>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the >>>>>>> Korg >>>>>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland >>>>>>> samplers >>>>>>> and the Fairlight of course. >>>>>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive >>>>>>> drawing >>>>>>> using a slider too. >>>>>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one >>>>>>> in a >>>>>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could >>>>>>> have a >>>>>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a >>>>>>> Jaz >>>>>>> drive. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , >>>>>>>> and by now the prices of a >>>>>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... >>>>>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? >>>>>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology >>>>>>>> personally? >>>>>>>> i am interested adapting >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> charles >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>>>>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> cant >>>>>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image >>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as >>>>>>>>>> its a >>>>>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 >>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>> use the scsi >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m >>>>>>>>>> floppies? >>>>>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> so a little o.t. >>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , >>>>>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> fz10m >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> charles >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yahoo! 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Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
2012-10-24 by K Davis
Frankly, while Charles may have a point about it being good form to start a new thread for tangential musings, I'd be very unhappy about discouraging such great sources of information as jammie. I'll read through a LOT of slightly disorganized information rather than forego it altogether. So please, take it easy on people who are actually contributing and trying to help. I think you'll be MORE likely to get your initial question addressed thoroughly if you lighten up a little. Besides, it's not like the Casio group is overflowing with activity most days. I think the gentleman who commented about top-posting has a far more substantive point. Thanks for all the great discussion and information, everyone. :) --- On Tue, 10/23/12, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...> wrote:
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From: Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...>
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 23, 2012, 7:28 PM
Hey glad to hear it Charles did you take your false teeth out of the
disk drive?
J
On 24 Oct 2012, at 02:34, charlie midi gfa wrote:
> im bad for this too , but lets remmeber to address the originator
> of the
> thread and not the followers,,any side longed comments or items
> should have
> their own thread , else the group will look like crap...
>
> i did however manage to fix repair and re-install the original drive
> for the
> fz10m..so now i want to do disk trades..new thread!
>
> charles
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>
> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
>
>
> I think we are both in trouble I'm going to sit in the naughty corner.
>
> J
>
> On 23 Oct 2012, at 14:31, jammie wrote:
>
>> i was asked a question by a member even if its of topic i answered it
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: charles c
>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:58 PM
>> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
>>
>>
>>
>> you guys are off topic and what does this have to do with the
>> original thread?
>> charles]
>>
>> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> yes the mono tribe is pure analog electronics
>>>
>>> but descrete analog electronics is the way to go and easy to repair
>>> and get parts for but the use 4-5 times the amount of components
>>> but they are matches better
>>>
>>> and provide superior sound
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try and
>>> reply or argue with that.
>>> My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I believe
>>> is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly
>>> sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139 new I
>>> have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and moog's +
>>> others and this is equally nice.
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote:
>>>
>>>> it was becuase every thing went digital
>>>>
>>>> the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and
>>>> 01w
>>>>
>>>> they were pure digital machines with no res filter
>>>>
>>>> the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters
>>>>
>>>> ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters
>>>> with
>>>> digital osc
>>>>
>>>> but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital synths
>>>> and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly
>>>> synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog
>>>> vca
>>>>
>>>> this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great
>>>>
>>>> so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters
>>>>
>>>> doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one
>>>> thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing
>>>> fast enough
>>>>
>>>> and you get samples in time delay for feed back
>>>>
>>>> unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input
>>>>
>>>> with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the begining
>>>> which adds latency
>>>>
>>>> roland did it but it was good but analog it was not
>>>>
>>>> casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital
>>>> control
>>>> by cpu and analog audio path
>>>>
>>>> all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu control
>>>> the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled
>>>> and
>>>> they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN
>>>>
>>>> the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and
>>>> hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters
>>>>
>>>> this was first done on an 8bit system
>>>>
>>>> thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a little
>>>> steppy
>>>>
>>>> the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit
>>>> dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000
>>>> it
>>>> was left as 8bits and is very steppy
>>>>
>>>> for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital
>>>> and a new analog filter
>>>>
>>>> out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series
>>>> samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best
>>>>
>>>> yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths
>>>>
>>>> as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/
>>>> asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs
>>>> can
>>>> do
>>>>
>>>> i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1
>>>>
>>>> i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could do
>>>> the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding
>>>>
>>>> and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the fealing
>>>> of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves
>>>> losing all the detail of the wavetable
>>>>
>>>> even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did
>>>> not use res
>>>>
>>>> the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the
>>>> table
>>>> with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used
>>>> sin/
>>>> tri/square/saw noise waves
>>>>
>>>> i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you can
>>>> do some neat filter tricks
>>>>
>>>> i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having
>>>> the
>>>> 135mb optical drives
>>>>
>>>> i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks
>>>>
>>>> and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that
>>>>
>>>> i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware
>>>> sequencer
>>>>
>>>> kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack
>>>>
>>>> tx16w
>>>>
>>>> the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex
>>>>
>>>> the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file support
>>>>
>>>> EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2
>>>>
>>>> i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII
>>>>
>>>> but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second
>>>> hand mula
>>>>
>>>> i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can add
>>>> your own
>>>>
>>>> being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers
>>>> and
>>>> get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments
>>>>
>>>> the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do very
>>>> good synth type sounds
>>>>
>>>> the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter
>>>> and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1
>>>> and
>>>> was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this
>>>>
>>>> yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 key
>>>> sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 filter
>>>> with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod wheel
>>>> made it so much fatter with doing chords
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hiya,
>>>>
>>>> I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad.
>>>> I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the
>>>> DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did
>>>> they
>>>> release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they didn't
>>>> want to take sales away from the DSS-1?
>>>>
>>>> J
>>>>
>>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> yes but the akai are so clinical digital
>>>>>
>>>>> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog
>>>>> filters
>>>>> and they are warm
>>>>>
>>>>> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and
>>>>> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res
>>>>> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital synths
>>>>> through it
>>>>>
>>>>> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION
>>>>>
>>>>> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter
>>>>> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this
>>>>> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the
>>>>> matrix12
>>>>>
>>>>> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in
>>>>> fzf
>>>>> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what
>>>>> waveshapes you want
>>>>>
>>>>> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg
>>>>> series
>>>>>
>>>>> same for the uwave and the uwavext
>>>>>
>>>>> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq
>>>>>
>>>>> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range
>>>>>
>>>>> the prophet vs including my user waves
>>>>>
>>>>> the kawai k3 k1/k4/
>>>>>
>>>>> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths
>>>>>
>>>>> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered
>>>>> with
>>>>> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches
>>>>>
>>>>> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers
>>>>> by
>>>>> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves
>>>>> lower
>>>>> you can get very fat sounds
>>>>>
>>>>> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled
>>>>> but
>>>>> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the
>>>>> dco
>>>>> of the roland series
>>>>>
>>>>> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune control
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie.
>>>>> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as
>>>>> good
>>>>> as
>>>>> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without
>>>>> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love
>>>>> the
>>>>> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue
>>>>> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder everybody
>>>>> and
>>>>> his wife bought an Akai.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some interesting
>>>>> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again).
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on
>>>>> match of
>>>>> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for
>>>>> the
>>>>> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today.
>>>>>
>>>>> J
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the
>>>>>> near
>>>>>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card
>>>>>>
>>>>>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it
>>>>>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog
>>>>>> filters
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and
>>>>>> adding a
>>>>>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc
>>>>>> becuase
>>>>>> you need 7v for that
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv
>>>>>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any
>>>>>> midi
>>>>>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set
>>>>>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a
>>>>>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg
>>>>>> wavetables
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> the same single cycle additive waveform
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for slot one and the end slot
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari
>>>>>>
>>>>>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and
>>>>>> atari
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> and made it easy for looping
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> like the ppg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i have done all the ppg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg
>>>>>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle
>>>>>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jammie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to.
>>>>>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I
>>>>>> used
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> f**king huge.
>>>>>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> k3
>>>>>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin
>>>>>>> synthesis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: jammie
>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section
>>>>>>> sounds
>>>>>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other
>>>>>>> synth/
>>>>>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the
>>>>>>> Korg
>>>>>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland
>>>>>>> samplers
>>>>>>> and the Fairlight of course.
>>>>>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive
>>>>>>> drawing
>>>>>>> using a slider too.
>>>>>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one
>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could
>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a
>>>>>>> Jaz
>>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ ,
>>>>>>>> and by now the prices of a
>>>>>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed.....
>>>>>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb?
>>>>>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology
>>>>>>>> personally?
>>>>>>>> i am interested adapting
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> charles
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>
>>>>>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> cant
>>>>>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image
>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>> to
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2012-10-24 by steve_the_composer
I like watching the arrows ( >>>>> ) grow and gradually disappear as I scroll through the digested posts typing to find where the next post starts. At first it was annoying, and I thought "What a bunch of jerks!!! Why don't they just snip off all the messages they are replying to?" Then I started enjoying the little animation ( > >> >>> >>>> >>>>> etc.) The thought of it going away as this thread dies, is sad. Hey, maybe we can just keep replying to this one and the one that someone else replies to, ad infinitum. (Or maybe until we get the arrows to grow to the right side of the monitor and then back. Wouldn't that be fun? Any takers? Steve --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@...> wrote:
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> > im bad for this too , but lets remmeber to address the originator of the > thread and not the followers,,any side longed comments or items should have > their own thread , else the group will look like crap... > > i did however manage to fix repair and re-install the original drive for the > fz10m..so now i want to do disk trades..new thread! > > charles > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:59 AM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m > > > I think we are both in trouble I'm going to sit in the naughty corner. > > J > > On 23 Oct 2012, at 14:31, jammie wrote: > > > i was asked a question by a member even if its of topic i answered it > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: charles c > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:58 PM > > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m > > > > > > > > you guys are off topic and what does this have to do with the > > original thread? > > charles] > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > >> > >> yes the mono tribe is pure analog electronics > >> > >> but descrete analog electronics is the way to go and easy to repair > >> and get parts for but the use 4-5 times the amount of components > >> but they are matches better > >> > >> and provide superior sound > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Jason Adkins > >> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > >> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:47 PM > >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > >> > >> > >> > >> Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try and > >> reply or argue with that. > >> My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I believe > >> is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly > >> sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139 new I > >> have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and moog's + > >> others and this is equally nice. > >> > >> J > >> > >> On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote: > >> > >>> it was becuase every thing went digital > >>> > >>> the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and > >>> 01w > >>> > >>> they were pure digital machines with no res filter > >>> > >>> the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters > >>> > >>> ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters with > >>> digital osc > >>> > >>> but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital synths > >>> and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly > >>> synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog vca > >>> > >>> this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great > >>> > >>> so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters > >>> > >>> doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one > >>> thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing > >>> fast enough > >>> > >>> and you get samples in time delay for feed back > >>> > >>> unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input > >>> > >>> with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the begining > >>> which adds latency > >>> > >>> roland did it but it was good but analog it was not > >>> > >>> casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital control > >>> by cpu and analog audio path > >>> > >>> all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu control > >>> the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled and > >>> they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN > >>> > >>> the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and > >>> hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters > >>> > >>> this was first done on an 8bit system > >>> > >>> thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a little > >>> steppy > >>> > >>> the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit > >>> dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000 it > >>> was left as 8bits and is very steppy > >>> > >>> for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital > >>> and a new analog filter > >>> > >>> out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series > >>> samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best > >>> > >>> yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths > >>> > >>> as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/ > >>> asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs can > >>> do > >>> > >>> i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1 > >>> > >>> i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could do > >>> the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding > >>> > >>> and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the fealing > >>> of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves > >>> losing all the detail of the wavetable > >>> > >>> even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did > >>> not use res > >>> > >>> the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the table > >>> with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used > >>> sin/ > >>> tri/square/saw noise waves > >>> > >>> i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you can > >>> do some neat filter tricks > >>> > >>> i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having the > >>> 135mb optical drives > >>> > >>> i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks > >>> > >>> and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that > >>> > >>> i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware > >>> sequencer > >>> > >>> kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack > >>> > >>> tx16w > >>> > >>> the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex > >>> > >>> the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file support > >>> > >>> EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2 > >>> > >>> i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII > >>> > >>> but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second > >>> hand mula > >>> > >>> i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can add > >>> your own > >>> > >>> being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers and > >>> get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments > >>> > >>> the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do very > >>> good synth type sounds > >>> > >>> the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter > >>> and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1 and > >>> was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this > >>> > >>> yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 key > >>> sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 filter > >>> with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod wheel > >>> made it so much fatter with doing chords > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Jason Adkins > >>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > >>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Hiya, > >>> > >>> I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad. > >>> I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the > >>> DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did they > >>> release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they didn't > >>> want to take sales away from the DSS-1? > >>> > >>> J > >>> > >>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote: > >>> > >>>> yes but the akai are so clinical digital > >>>> > >>>> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog filters > >>>> and they are warm > >>>> > >>>> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and > >>>> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res > >>>> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital synths > >>>> through it > >>>> > >>>> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION > >>>> > >>>> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter > >>>> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this > >>>> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the > >>>> matrix12 > >>>> > >>>> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in fzf > >>>> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what > >>>> waveshapes you want > >>>> > >>>> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg > >>>> series > >>>> > >>>> same for the uwave and the uwavext > >>>> > >>>> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq > >>>> > >>>> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range > >>>> > >>>> the prophet vs including my user waves > >>>> > >>>> the kawai k3 k1/k4/ > >>>> > >>>> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths > >>>> > >>>> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered > >>>> with > >>>> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches > >>>> > >>>> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers by > >>>> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves > >>>> lower > >>>> you can get very fat sounds > >>>> > >>>> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled > >>>> but > >>>> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the dco > >>>> of the roland series > >>>> > >>>> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune control > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: Jason Adkins > >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM > >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie. > >>>> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as good > >>>> as > >>>> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without > >>>> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love > >>>> the > >>>> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue > >>>> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder everybody > >>>> and > >>>> his wife bought an Akai. > >>>> > >>>> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some interesting > >>>> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again). > >>>> > >>>> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on > >>>> match of > >>>> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for > >>>> the > >>>> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today. > >>>> > >>>> J > >>>> > >>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs > >>>>> > >>>>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the near > >>>>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card > >>>>> > >>>>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks > >>>>> > >>>>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it > >>>>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy > >>>>> > >>>>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog > >>>>> filters > >>>>> > >>>>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy > >>>>> to > >>>>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and > >>>>> adding a > >>>>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc becuase > >>>>> you need 7v for that > >>>>> > >>>>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv > >>>>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any > >>>>> midi > >>>>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s > >>>>> > >>>>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials but > >>>>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style > >>>>> > >>>>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set > >>>>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes > >>>>> and > >>>>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a > >>>>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg > >>>>> wavetables > >>>>> > >>>>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it > >>>>> or > >>>>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to > >>>>> use > >>>>> the same single cycle additive waveform > >>>>> > >>>>> for slot one and the end slot > >>>>> > >>>>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and it > >>>>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd > >>>>> > >>>>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari > >>>>> > >>>>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and > >>>>> atari > >>>>> > >>>>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like > >>>>> this > >>>>> and made it easy for looping > >>>>> > >>>>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep > >>>>> them > >>>>> like the ppg > >>>>> > >>>>> i have done all the ppg > >>>>> > >>>>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg > >>>>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle > >>>>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image > >>>>> > >>>>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: Jason Adkins > >>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM > >>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Jammie, > >>>>> > >>>>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here > >>>>> has > >>>>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to. > >>>>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I used > >>>>> to > >>>>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things > >>>>> are > >>>>> f**king huge. > >>>>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS? > >>>>> > >>>>> J > >>>>> > >>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers the > >>>>>> k3 > >>>>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin > >>>>>> synthesis > >>>>>> > >>>>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you > >>>>>> can > >>>>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable > >>>>>> > >>>>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>> From: jammie > >>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software > >>>>>> > >>>>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive > >>>>>> > >>>>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>> From: Jason Adkins > >>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section > >>>>>> sounds > >>>>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other > >>>>>> synth/ > >>>>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg > >>>>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs > >>>>>> for > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland > >>>>>> samplers > >>>>>> and the Fairlight of course. > >>>>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing > >>>>>> using a slider too. > >>>>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a > >>>>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could > >>>>>> have a > >>>>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a > >>>>>> Jaz > >>>>>> drive. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> J > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , > >>>>>>> and by now the prices of a > >>>>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... > >>>>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? > >>>>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology > >>>>>>> personally? > >>>>>>> i am interested adapting > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> charles > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@> > >>>>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> > >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image > >>>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>> cant > >>>>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image > >>>>>>>>> back > >>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as > >>>>>>>>> its a > >>>>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 > >>>>>>>>> can > >>>>>>>>> use the scsi > >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > 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Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
2012-10-25 by Jez
I see your point, but try Gmail - it keeps things a lot more readable. On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 10:27 PM, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>wrote: > I like watching the arrows ( >>>>> ) grow and gradually disappear as I > scroll through the digested posts typing to find where the next post > starts. At first it was annoying, and I thought "What a bunch of jerks!!! > Why don't they just snip off all the messages they are replying to?" Then I > started enjoying the little animation ( > >> >>> >>>> >>>>> etc.) > > The thought of it going away as this thread dies, is sad. Hey, maybe we > can just keep replying to this one and the one that someone else replies > to, ad infinitum. (Or maybe until we get the arrows to grow to the right > side of the monitor and then back. > > Wouldn't that be fun? Any takers? > > Steve > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
2012-10-25 by Jez
The DSS-1 is basically a poor man's Jupiter 8, without the knobs but with waveform sampling and dual delays instead. The DSM-1 has more sampling memory and better multitimrality (16 individual outs!), but the synth section is not as good. The VCF does not have 12 or 24 Db modes or resonance (the DSS-1 does), nor does it have those fabulous dual delays. The DSM is generally considered a bit dissapointing compared to a DSS-1, which is a musician's dream. I picked up a DSS1 for �100 a couple of years ago. Aparts from needing to keep a pre-Windows XP PC working to make the disks with (not an easy task) and the size and weight of the thing (27kgs!), it is fabulous. (or at least will be again when I manage to replace the LCD display) And compliments CZ sounds very nicely (to keep on topic) On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Carl Lofgren <carl_lofgren@...>wrote: > My apologies for being a bit stupid - but I thought the DSM was a rack > version of the DSS - containing the same stuff? No analog filters in the > DSM? > > /C > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
2012-10-25 by jammie
absolute rubbish the dss1 is a sampler and can do much more than a jupiter 8 could ever do the vcf is way better and it has additive engine which can create any waveform you want where as the jup8 only has a few waveforms the jups are not stable they breakdown all the time and the 16mb upgrade with usb drive makes it do great things full piano using 15 samples at 8 seconds each where you only need to loop the first 3-4 samples
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jez" <jezosaurus@...> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m The DSS-1 is basically a poor man's Jupiter 8, without the knobs but with waveform sampling and dual delays instead. The DSM-1 has more sampling memory and better multitimrality (16 individual outs!), but the synth section is not as good. The VCF does not have 12 or 24 Db modes or resonance (the DSS-1 does), nor does it have those fabulous dual delays. The DSM is generally considered a bit dissapointing compared to a DSS-1, which is a musician's dream. I picked up a DSS1 for ?100 a couple of years ago. Aparts from needing to keep a pre-Windows XP PC working to make the disks with (not an easy task) and the size and weight of the thing (27kgs!), it is fabulous. (or at least will be again when I manage to replace the LCD display) And compliments CZ sounds very nicely (to keep on topic) On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Carl Lofgren <carl_lofgren@...>wrote: > My apologies for being a bit stupid - but I thought the DSM was a rack > version of the DSS - containing the same stuff? No analog filters in the > DSM? > > /C > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
2012-10-25 by Jez
Just a point of comparison really. I havn't seen a working JP8 for under 2000 bucks for years, but a DSS1 seems to go for about 1/10th of that at the most. And it's not fair to think of the DSS1 in terms of sampling capabilities - they are limited in "modern" terms, but look at it as a proper analogue synth, and it is a monster. On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:01 PM, jammie <jammie.emma@...>wrote: > absolute rubbish > > the dss1 is a sampler and can do much more than a jupiter 8 could ever do > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
2012-10-25 by Francis Cote
Are you guys really going to compare a Jupiter 8 and a dss-1? Come on. They are 2 very different beasts. Even if it uses different tricks, everything ends up in a sample in a dss-1. It's a sampler and you can't compare to an analog synth. Any analog synth. And I'm not saying it's no good, hell no! If I had the space I would have one. Sounds like a ton of bricks. If I had the money and the space I would have both a jupiter and a dss. Jammie is right about reliability issues with the jupiter 8. I would get the 6 instead. That being said... this is still the cz list, right? Francis On Oct 25, 2012 1:17 PM, "Jez" <jezosaurus@...> wrote: > ** > > > Just a point of comparison really. I havn't seen a working JP8 for under > 2000 bucks for years, but a DSS1 seems to go for about 1/10th of that at > the most. And it's not fair to think of the DSS1 in terms of sampling > capabilities - they are limited in "modern" terms, but look at it as a > proper analogue synth, and it is a monster. > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:01 PM, jammie <jammie.emma@... > >wrote: > > > absolute rubbish > > > > the dss1 is a sampler and can do much more than a jupiter 8 could ever do > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
2012-10-26 by Jason Adkins
Hi Charles, ;) You did well there I messed about with the internals of a floppy once and I made a right pigs breakfast of it. Its funny you should mention the oven because I have a broken 1.8 dual G5 Powermac and one of the solutions on the web is to put the mainboard in an oven to slightly melt the solder around the ram sockets which is the problem with it coz it doesn't recognise the ram, many a thing said in jest and all that. J
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On 24 Oct 2012, at 03:31, charlie midi gfa wrote: > no , took my head out of the oven > > > but seriousilly > painfully re-alligned the read head manually, > > stoked , it is regained strenght!!!!!!! > > charles > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@tiscali.co.uk> > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:28 PM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m > > > Hey glad to hear it Charles did you take your false teeth out of the > disk drive? > > J > > On 24 Oct 2012, at 02:34, charlie midi gfa wrote: > >> im bad for this too , but lets remmeber to address the originator >> of the >> thread and not the followers,,any side longed comments or items >> should have >> their own thread , else the group will look like crap... >> >> i did however manage to fix repair and re-install the original drive >> for the >> fz10m..so now i want to do disk trades..new thread! >> >> charles >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:59 AM >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >> >> >> I think we are both in trouble I'm going to sit in the naughty >> corner. >> >> J >> >> On 23 Oct 2012, at 14:31, jammie wrote: >> >>> i was asked a question by a member even if its of topic i answered >>> it >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: charles c >>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:58 PM >>> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >>> >>> >>> >>> you guys are off topic and what does this have to do with the >>> original thread? >>> charles] >>> >>> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote: >>>> >>>> yes the mono tribe is pure analog electronics >>>> >>>> but descrete analog electronics is the way to go and easy to repair >>>> and get parts for but the use 4-5 times the amount of components >>>> but they are matches better >>>> >>>> and provide superior sound >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:47 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try and >>>> reply or argue with that. >>>> My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I >>>> believe >>>> is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly >>>> sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139 >>>> new I >>>> have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and moog's + >>>> others and this is equally nice. >>>> >>>> J >>>> >>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote: >>>> >>>>> it was becuase every thing went digital >>>>> >>>>> the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and >>>>> 01w >>>>> >>>>> they were pure digital machines with no res filter >>>>> >>>>> the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters >>>>> >>>>> ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters >>>>> with >>>>> digital osc >>>>> >>>>> but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital synths >>>>> and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly >>>>> synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog >>>>> vca >>>>> >>>>> this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great >>>>> >>>>> so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters >>>>> >>>>> doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one >>>>> thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing >>>>> fast enough >>>>> >>>>> and you get samples in time delay for feed back >>>>> >>>>> unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input >>>>> >>>>> with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the >>>>> begining >>>>> which adds latency >>>>> >>>>> roland did it but it was good but analog it was not >>>>> >>>>> casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital >>>>> control >>>>> by cpu and analog audio path >>>>> >>>>> all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu >>>>> control >>>>> the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled >>>>> and >>>>> they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN >>>>> >>>>> the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and >>>>> hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters >>>>> >>>>> this was first done on an 8bit system >>>>> >>>>> thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a little >>>>> steppy >>>>> >>>>> the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit >>>>> dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000 >>>>> it >>>>> was left as 8bits and is very steppy >>>>> >>>>> for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital >>>>> and a new analog filter >>>>> >>>>> out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series >>>>> samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best >>>>> >>>>> yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths >>>>> >>>>> as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/ >>>>> asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs >>>>> can >>>>> do >>>>> >>>>> i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1 >>>>> >>>>> i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could >>>>> do >>>>> the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding >>>>> >>>>> and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the >>>>> fealing >>>>> of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves >>>>> losing all the detail of the wavetable >>>>> >>>>> even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did >>>>> not use res >>>>> >>>>> the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the >>>>> table >>>>> with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used >>>>> sin/ >>>>> tri/square/saw noise waves >>>>> >>>>> i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you >>>>> can >>>>> do some neat filter tricks >>>>> >>>>> i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having >>>>> the >>>>> 135mb optical drives >>>>> >>>>> i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks >>>>> >>>>> and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that >>>>> >>>>> i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware >>>>> sequencer >>>>> >>>>> kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack >>>>> >>>>> tx16w >>>>> >>>>> the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex >>>>> >>>>> the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file support >>>>> >>>>> EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2 >>>>> >>>>> i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII >>>>> >>>>> but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second >>>>> hand mula >>>>> >>>>> i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can >>>>> add >>>>> your own >>>>> >>>>> being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers >>>>> and >>>>> get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments >>>>> >>>>> the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do >>>>> very >>>>> good synth type sounds >>>>> >>>>> the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter >>>>> and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1 >>>>> and >>>>> was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this >>>>> >>>>> yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 >>>>> key >>>>> sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 >>>>> filter >>>>> with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod wheel >>>>> made it so much fatter with doing chords >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hiya, >>>>> >>>>> I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad. >>>>> I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the >>>>> DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did >>>>> they >>>>> release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they >>>>> didn't >>>>> want to take sales away from the DSS-1? >>>>> >>>>> J >>>>> >>>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> yes but the akai are so clinical digital >>>>>> >>>>>> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog >>>>>> filters >>>>>> and they are warm >>>>>> >>>>>> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and >>>>>> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res >>>>>> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital synths >>>>>> through it >>>>>> >>>>>> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION >>>>>> >>>>>> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter >>>>>> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this >>>>>> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the >>>>>> matrix12 >>>>>> >>>>>> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in >>>>>> fzf >>>>>> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what >>>>>> waveshapes you want >>>>>> >>>>>> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg >>>>>> series >>>>>> >>>>>> same for the uwave and the uwavext >>>>>> >>>>>> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq >>>>>> >>>>>> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range >>>>>> >>>>>> the prophet vs including my user waves >>>>>> >>>>>> the kawai k3 k1/k4/ >>>>>> >>>>>> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths >>>>>> >>>>>> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered >>>>>> with >>>>>> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches >>>>>> >>>>>> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers >>>>>> by >>>>>> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves >>>>>> lower >>>>>> you can get very fat sounds >>>>>> >>>>>> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled >>>>>> but >>>>>> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the >>>>>> dco >>>>>> of the roland series >>>>>> >>>>>> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune >>>>>> control >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie. >>>>>> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as >>>>>> good >>>>>> as >>>>>> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without >>>>>> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love >>>>>> the >>>>>> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue >>>>>> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder >>>>>> everybody >>>>>> and >>>>>> his wife bought an Akai. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some >>>>>> interesting >>>>>> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again). >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on >>>>>> match of >>>>>> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for >>>>>> the >>>>>> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today. >>>>>> >>>>>> J >>>>>> >>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the >>>>>>> near >>>>>>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card >>>>>>> >>>>>>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog >>>>>>> filters >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and >>>>>>> adding a >>>>>>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc >>>>>>> becuase >>>>>>> you need 7v for that >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv >>>>>>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any >>>>>>> midi >>>>>>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style >>>>>>> >>>>>>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set >>>>>>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other >>>>>>> creating a >>>>>>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg >>>>>>> wavetables >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to >>>>>>> use >>>>>>> the same single cycle additive waveform >>>>>>> >>>>>>> for slot one and the end slot >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd >>>>>>> >>>>>>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari >>>>>>> >>>>>>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and >>>>>>> atari >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> and made it easy for looping >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep >>>>>>> them >>>>>>> like the ppg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i have done all the ppg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the >>>>>>> ppg >>>>>>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle >>>>>>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image >>>>>>> >>>>>>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Jammie, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on >>>>>>> here >>>>>>> has >>>>>>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to. >>>>>>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I >>>>>>> used >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those >>>>>>> things >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> f**king huge. >>>>>>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> k3 >>>>>>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin >>>>>>>> synthesis >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: jammie >>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section >>>>>>>> sounds >>>>>>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other >>>>>>>> synth/ >>>>>>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the >>>>>>>> Korg >>>>>>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland >>>>>>>> samplers >>>>>>>> and the Fairlight of course. >>>>>>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive >>>>>>>> drawing >>>>>>>> using a slider too. >>>>>>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one >>>>>>>> in a >>>>>>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could >>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a >>>>>>>> Jaz >>>>>>>> drive. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , >>>>>>>>> and by now the prices of a >>>>>>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... >>>>>>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? >>>>>>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology >>>>>>>>> personally? >>>>>>>>> i am interested adapting >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> charles >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>>>>>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> cant >>>>>>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image >>>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy >>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>> its a >>>>>>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the >>>>>>>>>>> fz20 >>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>> use the scsi >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m >>>>>>>>>>> floppies? >>>>>>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> so a little o.t. >>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , >>>>>>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> fz10m >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> charles >>>>>>>>>>>> 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Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
2012-10-26 by jammie
thats what they do in a re flow oven
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Adkins
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
Hi Charles,
;) You did well there I messed about with the internals of a floppy
once and I made a right pigs breakfast of it.
Its funny you should mention the oven because I have a broken 1.8 dual
G5 Powermac and one of the solutions on the web is to put the
mainboard in an oven to slightly melt the solder around the ram
sockets which is the problem with it coz it doesn't recognise the ram,
many a thing said in jest and all that.
J
On 24 Oct 2012, at 03:31, charlie midi gfa wrote:
> no , took my head out of the oven
>
>
> but seriousilly
> painfully re-alligned the read head manually,
>
> stoked , it is regained strenght!!!!!!!
>
> charles
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>
> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
>
>
> Hey glad to hear it Charles did you take your false teeth out of the
> disk drive?
>
> J
>
> On 24 Oct 2012, at 02:34, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>
>> im bad for this too , but lets remmeber to address the originator
>> of the
>> thread and not the followers,,any side longed comments or items
>> should have
>> their own thread , else the group will look like crap...
>>
>> i did however manage to fix repair and re-install the original drive
>> for the
>> fz10m..so now i want to do disk trades..new thread!
>>
>> charles
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@tiscali.co.uk>
>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
>>
>>
>> I think we are both in trouble I'm going to sit in the naughty
>> corner.
>>
>> J
>>
>> On 23 Oct 2012, at 14:31, jammie wrote:
>>
>>> i was asked a question by a member even if its of topic i answered
>>> it
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: charles c
>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:58 PM
>>> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> you guys are off topic and what does this have to do with the
>>> original thread?
>>> charles]
>>>
>>> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> yes the mono tribe is pure analog electronics
>>>>
>>>> but descrete analog electronics is the way to go and easy to repair
>>>> and get parts for but the use 4-5 times the amount of components
>>>> but they are matches better
>>>>
>>>> and provide superior sound
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:47 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try and
>>>> reply or argue with that.
>>>> My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I
>>>> believe
>>>> is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly
>>>> sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139
>>>> new I
>>>> have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and moog's +
>>>> others and this is equally nice.
>>>>
>>>> J
>>>>
>>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> it was becuase every thing went digital
>>>>>
>>>>> the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and
>>>>> 01w
>>>>>
>>>>> they were pure digital machines with no res filter
>>>>>
>>>>> the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters
>>>>>
>>>>> ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters
>>>>> with
>>>>> digital osc
>>>>>
>>>>> but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital synths
>>>>> and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly
>>>>> synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog
>>>>> vca
>>>>>
>>>>> this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great
>>>>>
>>>>> so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters
>>>>>
>>>>> doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one
>>>>> thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing
>>>>> fast enough
>>>>>
>>>>> and you get samples in time delay for feed back
>>>>>
>>>>> unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input
>>>>>
>>>>> with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the
>>>>> begining
>>>>> which adds latency
>>>>>
>>>>> roland did it but it was good but analog it was not
>>>>>
>>>>> casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital
>>>>> control
>>>>> by cpu and analog audio path
>>>>>
>>>>> all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu
>>>>> control
>>>>> the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled
>>>>> and
>>>>> they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN
>>>>>
>>>>> the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and
>>>>> hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters
>>>>>
>>>>> this was first done on an 8bit system
>>>>>
>>>>> thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a little
>>>>> steppy
>>>>>
>>>>> the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit
>>>>> dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000
>>>>> it
>>>>> was left as 8bits and is very steppy
>>>>>
>>>>> for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital
>>>>> and a new analog filter
>>>>>
>>>>> out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series
>>>>> samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best
>>>>>
>>>>> yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths
>>>>>
>>>>> as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/
>>>>> asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs
>>>>> can
>>>>> do
>>>>>
>>>>> i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1
>>>>>
>>>>> i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could
>>>>> do
>>>>> the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding
>>>>>
>>>>> and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the
>>>>> fealing
>>>>> of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves
>>>>> losing all the detail of the wavetable
>>>>>
>>>>> even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did
>>>>> not use res
>>>>>
>>>>> the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the
>>>>> table
>>>>> with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used
>>>>> sin/
>>>>> tri/square/saw noise waves
>>>>>
>>>>> i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you
>>>>> can
>>>>> do some neat filter tricks
>>>>>
>>>>> i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having
>>>>> the
>>>>> 135mb optical drives
>>>>>
>>>>> i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks
>>>>>
>>>>> and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that
>>>>>
>>>>> i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware
>>>>> sequencer
>>>>>
>>>>> kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack
>>>>>
>>>>> tx16w
>>>>>
>>>>> the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex
>>>>>
>>>>> the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file support
>>>>>
>>>>> EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2
>>>>>
>>>>> i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII
>>>>>
>>>>> but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second
>>>>> hand mula
>>>>>
>>>>> i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can
>>>>> add
>>>>> your own
>>>>>
>>>>> being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers
>>>>> and
>>>>> get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments
>>>>>
>>>>> the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do
>>>>> very
>>>>> good synth type sounds
>>>>>
>>>>> the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter
>>>>> and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1
>>>>> and
>>>>> was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this
>>>>>
>>>>> yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1
>>>>> key
>>>>> sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1
>>>>> filter
>>>>> with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod wheel
>>>>> made it so much fatter with doing chords
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hiya,
>>>>>
>>>>> I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad.
>>>>> I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the
>>>>> DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did
>>>>> they
>>>>> release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they
>>>>> didn't
>>>>> want to take sales away from the DSS-1?
>>>>>
>>>>> J
>>>>>
>>>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> yes but the akai are so clinical digital
>>>>>>
>>>>>> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog
>>>>>> filters
>>>>>> and they are warm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and
>>>>>> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res
>>>>>> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital synths
>>>>>> through it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION
>>>>>>
>>>>>> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter
>>>>>> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this
>>>>>> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the
>>>>>> matrix12
>>>>>>
>>>>>> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in
>>>>>> fzf
>>>>>> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what
>>>>>> waveshapes you want
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg
>>>>>> series
>>>>>>
>>>>>> same for the uwave and the uwavext
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the prophet vs including my user waves
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the kawai k3 k1/k4/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths
>>>>>>
>>>>>> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves
>>>>>> lower
>>>>>> you can get very fat sounds
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the
>>>>>> dco
>>>>>> of the roland series
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune
>>>>>> control
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie.
>>>>>> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as
>>>>>> good
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without
>>>>>> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue
>>>>>> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder
>>>>>> everybody
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> his wife bought an Akai.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some
>>>>>> interesting
>>>>>> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on
>>>>>> match of
>>>>>> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the
>>>>>>> near
>>>>>>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog
>>>>>>> filters
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and
>>>>>>> adding a
>>>>>>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc
>>>>>>> becuase
>>>>>>> you need 7v for that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv
>>>>>>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any
>>>>>>> midi
>>>>>>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set
>>>>>>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other
>>>>>>> creating a
>>>>>>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg
>>>>>>> wavetables
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>> the same single cycle additive waveform
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for slot one and the end slot
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and
>>>>>>> atari
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> and made it easy for looping
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> like the ppg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i have done all the ppg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the
>>>>>>> ppg
>>>>>>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle
>>>>>>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Jammie,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on
>>>>>>> here
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to.
>>>>>>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I
>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those
>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> f**king huge.
>>>>>>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> k3
>>>>>>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin
>>>>>>>> synthesis
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: jammie
>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section
>>>>>>>> sounds
>>>>>>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other
>>>>>>>> synth/
>>>>>>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the
>>>>>>>> Korg
>>>>>>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland
>>>>>>>> samplers
>>>>>>>> and the Fairlight of course.
>>>>>>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive
>>>>>>>> drawing
>>>>>>>> using a slider too.
>>>>>>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one
>>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could
>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a
>>>>>>>> Jaz
>>>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ ,
>>>>>>>>> and by now the prices of a
>>>>>>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed.....
>>>>>>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb?
>>>>>>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology
>>>>>>>>> personally?
>>>>>>>>> i am interested adapting
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> charles
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>
>>>>>>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> cant
>>>>>>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image
>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy
>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>> its a
>>>>>>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the
>>>>>>>>>>> fz20
>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>> use the scsi
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m
>>>>>>>>>>> floppies?
>>>>>>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> so a little o.t.
>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m ,
>>>>>>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 )
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> fz10m
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> charles
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2012-10-26 by Jason Adkins
Hiya, Trust me if you have used a DSS-1 it is a synth more than a sampler it has f**k all memory for a start but enough to sample analogue waveforms in and obviously the digital synth section plus the res filters and twin DDL's which can be made to chorus/thicken up the sound. The Jupiter 8a is the midi one I bet it broke down loads prob like the OB8/Prophet5/Memorymoog et al of similar era but I wouldn't bother with a Jupiter 6 even though they all have midi they just don't sound as good as the JP8 I'd rather have a JX8P than a JP6 personally even though they do have a DCO's but thats just me. J
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On 25 Oct 2012, at 18:28, Francis Cote wrote: > Are you guys really going to compare a Jupiter 8 and a dss-1? > Come on. > > They are 2 very different beasts. Even if it uses different tricks, > everything ends up in a sample in a dss-1. It's a sampler and you > can't > compare to an analog synth. Any analog synth. > > And I'm not saying it's no good, hell no! If I had the space I > would have > one. Sounds like a ton of bricks. If I had the money and the space I > would > have both a jupiter and a dss. > > Jammie is right about reliability issues with the jupiter 8. I would > get > the 6 instead. > > That being said... this is still the cz list, right? > > Francis > On Oct 25, 2012 1:17 PM, "Jez" <jezosaurus@...> wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> Just a point of comparison really. I havn't seen a working JP8 for >> under >> 2000 bucks for years, but a DSS1 seems to go for about 1/10th of >> that at >> the most. And it's not fair to think of the DSS1 in terms of sampling >> capabilities - they are limited in "modern" terms, but look at it >> as a >> proper analogue synth, and it is a monster. >> >> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:01 PM, jammie >> <jammie.emma@... >>> wrote: >> >>> absolute rubbish >>> >>> the dss1 is a sampler and can do much more than a jupiter 8 could >>> ever do >>> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
2012-10-26 by charlie midi gfa
i think thats just a solution a person could perform if they were in jail , normal people might take it to a service technician.. i really have no insight ,,never owned a mac ... good luck , i am now on my way to writing a few disks of sounds and wavs ,,hopefully resurect the small 3 songs i diid before i unleashed terror on the thing,,two years later , its back to normal....you ever have one of these fz10m before jay? charles
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m Hi Charles, ;) You did well there I messed about with the internals of a floppy once and I made a right pigs breakfast of it. Its funny you should mention the oven because I have a broken 1.8 dual G5 Powermac and one of the solutions on the web is to put the mainboard in an oven to slightly melt the solder around the ram sockets which is the problem with it coz it doesn't recognise the ram, many a thing said in jest and all that. J On 24 Oct 2012, at 03:31, charlie midi gfa wrote: > no , took my head out of the oven > > > but seriousilly > painfully re-alligned the read head manually, > > stoked , it is regained strenght!!!!!!! > > charles > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:28 PM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m > > > Hey glad to hear it Charles did you take your false teeth out of the > disk drive? > > J > > On 24 Oct 2012, at 02:34, charlie midi gfa wrote: > >> im bad for this too , but lets remmeber to address the originator >> of the >> thread and not the followers,,any side longed comments or items >> should have >> their own thread , else the group will look like crap... >> >> i did however manage to fix repair and re-install the original drive >> for the >> fz10m..so now i want to do disk trades..new thread! >> >> charles >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:59 AM >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >> >> >> I think we are both in trouble I'm going to sit in the naughty >> corner. >> >> J >> >> On 23 Oct 2012, at 14:31, jammie wrote: >> >>> i was asked a question by a member even if its of topic i answered >>> it >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: charles c >>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:58 PM >>> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >>> >>> >>> >>> you guys are off topic and what does this have to do with the >>> original thread? >>> charles] >>> >>> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote: >>>> >>>> yes the mono tribe is pure analog electronics >>>> >>>> but descrete analog electronics is the way to go and easy to repair >>>> and get parts for but the use 4-5 times the amount of components >>>> but they are matches better >>>> >>>> and provide superior sound >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:47 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try and >>>> reply or argue with that. >>>> My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I >>>> believe >>>> is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly >>>> sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139 >>>> new I >>>> have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and moog's + >>>> others and this is equally nice. >>>> >>>> J >>>> >>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote: >>>> >>>>> it was becuase every thing went digital >>>>> >>>>> the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and >>>>> 01w >>>>> >>>>> they were pure digital machines with no res filter >>>>> >>>>> the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters >>>>> >>>>> ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters >>>>> with >>>>> digital osc >>>>> >>>>> but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital synths >>>>> and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly >>>>> synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog >>>>> vca >>>>> >>>>> this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great >>>>> >>>>> so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters >>>>> >>>>> doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one >>>>> thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing >>>>> fast enough >>>>> >>>>> and you get samples in time delay for feed back >>>>> >>>>> unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input >>>>> >>>>> with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the >>>>> begining >>>>> which adds latency >>>>> >>>>> roland did it but it was good but analog it was not >>>>> >>>>> casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital >>>>> control >>>>> by cpu and analog audio path >>>>> >>>>> all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu >>>>> control >>>>> the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled >>>>> and >>>>> they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN >>>>> >>>>> the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and >>>>> hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters >>>>> >>>>> this was first done on an 8bit system >>>>> >>>>> thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a little >>>>> steppy >>>>> >>>>> the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit >>>>> dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000 >>>>> it >>>>> was left as 8bits and is very steppy >>>>> >>>>> for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital >>>>> and a new analog filter >>>>> >>>>> out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series >>>>> samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best >>>>> >>>>> yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths >>>>> >>>>> as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/ >>>>> asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs >>>>> can >>>>> do >>>>> >>>>> i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1 >>>>> >>>>> i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could >>>>> do >>>>> the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding >>>>> >>>>> and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the >>>>> fealing >>>>> of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves >>>>> losing all the detail of the wavetable >>>>> >>>>> even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did >>>>> not use res >>>>> >>>>> the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the >>>>> table >>>>> with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used >>>>> sin/ >>>>> tri/square/saw noise waves >>>>> >>>>> i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you >>>>> can >>>>> do some neat filter tricks >>>>> >>>>> i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having >>>>> the >>>>> 135mb optical drives >>>>> >>>>> i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks >>>>> >>>>> and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that >>>>> >>>>> i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware >>>>> sequencer >>>>> >>>>> kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack >>>>> >>>>> tx16w >>>>> >>>>> the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex >>>>> >>>>> the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file support >>>>> >>>>> EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2 >>>>> >>>>> i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII >>>>> >>>>> but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second >>>>> hand mula >>>>> >>>>> i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can >>>>> add >>>>> your own >>>>> >>>>> being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers >>>>> and >>>>> get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments >>>>> >>>>> the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do >>>>> very >>>>> good synth type sounds >>>>> >>>>> the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter >>>>> and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1 >>>>> and >>>>> was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this >>>>> >>>>> yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 >>>>> key >>>>> sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 >>>>> filter >>>>> with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod wheel >>>>> made it so much fatter with doing chords >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hiya, >>>>> >>>>> I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad. >>>>> I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the >>>>> DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did >>>>> they >>>>> release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they >>>>> didn't >>>>> want to take sales away from the DSS-1? >>>>> >>>>> J >>>>> >>>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> yes but the akai are so clinical digital >>>>>> >>>>>> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog >>>>>> filters >>>>>> and they are warm >>>>>> >>>>>> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and >>>>>> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res >>>>>> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital synths >>>>>> through it >>>>>> >>>>>> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION >>>>>> >>>>>> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter >>>>>> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this >>>>>> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the >>>>>> matrix12 >>>>>> >>>>>> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in >>>>>> fzf >>>>>> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what >>>>>> waveshapes you want >>>>>> >>>>>> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg >>>>>> series >>>>>> >>>>>> same for the uwave and the uwavext >>>>>> >>>>>> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq >>>>>> >>>>>> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range >>>>>> >>>>>> the prophet vs including my user waves >>>>>> >>>>>> the kawai k3 k1/k4/ >>>>>> >>>>>> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths >>>>>> >>>>>> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered >>>>>> with >>>>>> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches >>>>>> >>>>>> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers >>>>>> by >>>>>> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves >>>>>> lower >>>>>> you can get very fat sounds >>>>>> >>>>>> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled >>>>>> but >>>>>> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the >>>>>> dco >>>>>> of the roland series >>>>>> >>>>>> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune >>>>>> control >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie. >>>>>> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as >>>>>> good >>>>>> as >>>>>> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without >>>>>> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love >>>>>> the >>>>>> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue >>>>>> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder >>>>>> everybody >>>>>> and >>>>>> his wife bought an Akai. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some >>>>>> interesting >>>>>> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again). >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on >>>>>> match of >>>>>> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for >>>>>> the >>>>>> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today. >>>>>> >>>>>> J >>>>>> >>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the >>>>>>> near >>>>>>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card >>>>>>> >>>>>>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog >>>>>>> filters >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and >>>>>>> adding a >>>>>>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc >>>>>>> becuase >>>>>>> you need 7v for that >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv >>>>>>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any >>>>>>> midi >>>>>>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style >>>>>>> >>>>>>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set >>>>>>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other >>>>>>> creating a >>>>>>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg >>>>>>> wavetables >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to >>>>>>> use >>>>>>> the same single cycle additive waveform >>>>>>> >>>>>>> for slot one and the end slot >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd >>>>>>> >>>>>>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari >>>>>>> >>>>>>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and >>>>>>> atari >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> and made it easy for looping >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep >>>>>>> them >>>>>>> like the ppg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i have done all the ppg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the >>>>>>> ppg >>>>>>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle >>>>>>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image >>>>>>> >>>>>>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Jammie, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on >>>>>>> here >>>>>>> has >>>>>>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to. >>>>>>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I >>>>>>> used >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those >>>>>>> things >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> f**king huge. >>>>>>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> k3 >>>>>>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin >>>>>>>> synthesis >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: jammie >>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section >>>>>>>> sounds >>>>>>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other >>>>>>>> synth/ >>>>>>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the >>>>>>>> Korg >>>>>>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland >>>>>>>> samplers >>>>>>>> and the Fairlight of course. >>>>>>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive >>>>>>>> drawing >>>>>>>> using a slider too. >>>>>>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one >>>>>>>> in a >>>>>>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could >>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a >>>>>>>> Jaz >>>>>>>> drive. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , >>>>>>>>> and by now the prices of a >>>>>>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... >>>>>>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? >>>>>>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology >>>>>>>>> personally? >>>>>>>>> i am interested adapting >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> charles >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>>>>>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> cant >>>>>>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image >>>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy >>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>> its a >>>>>>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the >>>>>>>>>>> fz20 >>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>> use the scsi >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m >>>>>>>>>>> floppies? >>>>>>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> so a little o.t. >>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , >>>>>>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> fz10m >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> charles >>>>>>>>>>>> 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Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
2012-10-26 by Jason Adkins
I take it you have done a similar thing yourself then Jammie,let me guess some clients expensive synthesizer board? I'd give it a go but knowing me I probably put in there as the same for a ham and pineapple pizza and I don't really want to accidently eat G5 powermac motherboard parts for dinner...... I would give it a go but its just too much aggro stripping the thing down,its worth bugger all anyway but if you have any suggestions that I could do with the board in place I'd be glad to hear them. J
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On 26 Oct 2012, at 22:53, jammie wrote: > thats what they do in a re flow oven > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jason Adkins > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:17 PM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m > > > > Hi Charles, > > ;) You did well there I messed about with the internals of a floppy > once and I made a right pigs breakfast of it. > > Its funny you should mention the oven because I have a broken 1.8 > dual > G5 Powermac and one of the solutions on the web is to put the > mainboard in an oven to slightly melt the solder around the ram > sockets which is the problem with it coz it doesn't recognise the > ram, > many a thing said in jest and all that. > > J > > On 24 Oct 2012, at 03:31, charlie midi gfa wrote: > >> no , took my head out of the oven >> >> >> but seriousilly >> painfully re-alligned the read head manually, >> >> stoked , it is regained strenght!!!!!!! >> >> charles >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@tiscali.co.uk> >> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >> >> >> Hey glad to hear it Charles did you take your false teeth out of the >> disk drive? >> >> J >> >> On 24 Oct 2012, at 02:34, charlie midi gfa wrote: >> >>> im bad for this too , but lets remmeber to address the originator >>> of the >>> thread and not the followers,,any side longed comments or items >>> should have >>> their own thread , else the group will look like crap... >>> >>> i did however manage to fix repair and re-install the original drive >>> for the >>> fz10m..so now i want to do disk trades..new thread! >>> >>> charles >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:59 AM >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >>> >>> >>> I think we are both in trouble I'm going to sit in the naughty >>> corner. >>> >>> J >>> >>> On 23 Oct 2012, at 14:31, jammie wrote: >>> >>>> i was asked a question by a member even if its of topic i answered >>>> it >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: charles c >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:58 PM >>>> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> you guys are off topic and what does this have to do with the >>>> original thread? >>>> charles] >>>> >>>> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> yes the mono tribe is pure analog electronics >>>>> >>>>> but descrete analog electronics is the way to go and easy to >>>>> repair >>>>> and get parts for but the use 4-5 times the amount of components >>>>> but they are matches better >>>>> >>>>> and provide superior sound >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:47 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try and >>>>> reply or argue with that. >>>>> My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I >>>>> believe >>>>> is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly >>>>> sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139 >>>>> new I >>>>> have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and moog's + >>>>> others and this is equally nice. >>>>> >>>>> J >>>>> >>>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> it was becuase every thing went digital >>>>>> >>>>>> the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and >>>>>> 01w >>>>>> >>>>>> they were pure digital machines with no res filter >>>>>> >>>>>> the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters >>>>>> >>>>>> ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters >>>>>> with >>>>>> digital osc >>>>>> >>>>>> but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital >>>>>> synths >>>>>> and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly >>>>>> synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog >>>>>> vca >>>>>> >>>>>> this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great >>>>>> >>>>>> so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters >>>>>> >>>>>> doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one >>>>>> thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing >>>>>> fast enough >>>>>> >>>>>> and you get samples in time delay for feed back >>>>>> >>>>>> unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input >>>>>> >>>>>> with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the >>>>>> begining >>>>>> which adds latency >>>>>> >>>>>> roland did it but it was good but analog it was not >>>>>> >>>>>> casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital >>>>>> control >>>>>> by cpu and analog audio path >>>>>> >>>>>> all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu >>>>>> control >>>>>> the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled >>>>>> and >>>>>> they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN >>>>>> >>>>>> the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and >>>>>> hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters >>>>>> >>>>>> this was first done on an 8bit system >>>>>> >>>>>> thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a >>>>>> little >>>>>> steppy >>>>>> >>>>>> the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit >>>>>> dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000 >>>>>> it >>>>>> was left as 8bits and is very steppy >>>>>> >>>>>> for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital >>>>>> and a new analog filter >>>>>> >>>>>> out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series >>>>>> samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best >>>>>> >>>>>> yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths >>>>>> >>>>>> as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/ >>>>>> asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs >>>>>> can >>>>>> do >>>>>> >>>>>> i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1 >>>>>> >>>>>> i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could >>>>>> do >>>>>> the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding >>>>>> >>>>>> and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the >>>>>> fealing >>>>>> of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves >>>>>> losing all the detail of the wavetable >>>>>> >>>>>> even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did >>>>>> not use res >>>>>> >>>>>> the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the >>>>>> table >>>>>> with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used >>>>>> sin/ >>>>>> tri/square/saw noise waves >>>>>> >>>>>> i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you >>>>>> can >>>>>> do some neat filter tricks >>>>>> >>>>>> i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having >>>>>> the >>>>>> 135mb optical drives >>>>>> >>>>>> i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks >>>>>> >>>>>> and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that >>>>>> >>>>>> i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware >>>>>> sequencer >>>>>> >>>>>> kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack >>>>>> >>>>>> tx16w >>>>>> >>>>>> the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex >>>>>> >>>>>> the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file >>>>>> support >>>>>> >>>>>> EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2 >>>>>> >>>>>> i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII >>>>>> >>>>>> but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second >>>>>> hand mula >>>>>> >>>>>> i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can >>>>>> add >>>>>> your own >>>>>> >>>>>> being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers >>>>>> and >>>>>> get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments >>>>>> >>>>>> the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do >>>>>> very >>>>>> good synth type sounds >>>>>> >>>>>> the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter >>>>>> and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1 >>>>>> and >>>>>> was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this >>>>>> >>>>>> yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 >>>>>> key >>>>>> sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 >>>>>> filter >>>>>> with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod >>>>>> wheel >>>>>> made it so much fatter with doing chords >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hiya, >>>>>> >>>>>> I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad. >>>>>> I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the >>>>>> DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did >>>>>> they >>>>>> release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they >>>>>> didn't >>>>>> want to take sales away from the DSS-1? >>>>>> >>>>>> J >>>>>> >>>>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> yes but the akai are so clinical digital >>>>>>> >>>>>>> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog >>>>>>> filters >>>>>>> and they are warm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and >>>>>>> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res >>>>>>> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital >>>>>>> synths >>>>>>> through it >>>>>>> >>>>>>> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION >>>>>>> >>>>>>> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter >>>>>>> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this >>>>>>> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the >>>>>>> matrix12 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in >>>>>>> fzf >>>>>>> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what >>>>>>> waveshapes you want >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg >>>>>>> series >>>>>>> >>>>>>> same for the uwave and the uwavext >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the prophet vs including my user waves >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the kawai k3 k1/k4/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths >>>>>>> >>>>>>> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers >>>>>>> by >>>>>>> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves >>>>>>> lower >>>>>>> you can get very fat sounds >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the >>>>>>> dco >>>>>>> of the roland series >>>>>>> >>>>>>> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune >>>>>>> control >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie. >>>>>>> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as >>>>>>> good >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without >>>>>>> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I >>>>>>> love >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to >>>>>>> analogue >>>>>>> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder >>>>>>> everybody >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> his wife bought an Akai. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some >>>>>>> interesting >>>>>>> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on >>>>>>> match of >>>>>>> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the >>>>>>>> near >>>>>>>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm >>>>>>>> card >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog >>>>>>>> filters >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but >>>>>>>> easy >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and >>>>>>>> adding a >>>>>>>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc >>>>>>>> becuase >>>>>>>> you need 7v for that >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv >>>>>>>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any >>>>>>>> midi >>>>>>>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you >>>>>>>> set >>>>>>>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch >>>>>>>> envelopes >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other >>>>>>>> creating a >>>>>>>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the >>>>>>>> ppg >>>>>>>> wavetables >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>> the same single cycle additive waveform >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> for slot one and the end slot >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and >>>>>>>> atari >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> and made it easy for looping >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep >>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>> like the ppg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i have done all the ppg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the >>>>>>>> ppg >>>>>>>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half >>>>>>>> cycle >>>>>>>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Jammie, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on >>>>>>>> here >>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to. >>>>>>>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I >>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those >>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> f**king huge. >>>>>>>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> k3 >>>>>>>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin >>>>>>>>> synthesis >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: jammie >>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section >>>>>>>>> sounds >>>>>>>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other >>>>>>>>> synth/ >>>>>>>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the >>>>>>>>> Korg >>>>>>>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland >>>>>>>>> samplers >>>>>>>>> and the Fairlight of course. >>>>>>>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive >>>>>>>>> drawing >>>>>>>>> using a slider too. >>>>>>>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one >>>>>>>>> in a >>>>>>>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could >>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it >>>>>>>>> from a >>>>>>>>> Jaz >>>>>>>>> drive. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , >>>>>>>>>> and by now the prices of a >>>>>>>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... >>>>>>>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? >>>>>>>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology >>>>>>>>>> personally? >>>>>>>>>> i am interested adapting >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> charles >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>>>>>>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw >>>>>>>>>>>> image >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> cant >>>>>>>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image >>>>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy >>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>> its a >>>>>>>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the >>>>>>>>>>>> fz20 >>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>> use the scsi >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m >>>>>>>>>>>> floppies? >>>>>>>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? >>>>>>>>>>>> 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Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
2012-10-27 by jack
i have a proper reflow oven the pcb goes on a conveyer timed temperature controled its best used for surface mount boards and solder paste or boards that have been wave soldered which seem to have the most problems with cold solder joints get an smd blow gun i use that for small smd work where i have to remove the damaged smd components just heat up one side of the chip at a time letting the solder reflow
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Adkins
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
I take it you have done a similar thing yourself then Jammie,let me
guess some clients expensive synthesizer board?
I'd give it a go but knowing me I probably put in there as the same
for a ham and pineapple pizza and I don't really want to accidently
eat G5 powermac motherboard parts for dinner...... I would give it a
go but its just too much aggro stripping the thing down,its worth
bugger all anyway but if you have any suggestions that I could do with
the board in place I'd be glad to hear them.
J
On 26 Oct 2012, at 22:53, jammie wrote:
> thats what they do in a re flow oven
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jason Adkins
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
>
>
>
> Hi Charles,
>
> ;) You did well there I messed about with the internals of a floppy
> once and I made a right pigs breakfast of it.
>
> Its funny you should mention the oven because I have a broken 1.8
> dual
> G5 Powermac and one of the solutions on the web is to put the
> mainboard in an oven to slightly melt the solder around the ram
> sockets which is the problem with it coz it doesn't recognise the
> ram,
> many a thing said in jest and all that.
>
> J
>
> On 24 Oct 2012, at 03:31, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>
>> no , took my head out of the oven
>>
>>
>> but seriousilly
>> painfully re-alligned the read head manually,
>>
>> stoked , it is regained strenght!!!!!!!
>>
>> charles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@....uk>
>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
>>
>>
>> Hey glad to hear it Charles did you take your false teeth out of the
>> disk drive?
>>
>> J
>>
>> On 24 Oct 2012, at 02:34, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>>
>>> im bad for this too , but lets remmeber to address the originator
>>> of the
>>> thread and not the followers,,any side longed comments or items
>>> should have
>>> their own thread , else the group will look like crap...
>>>
>>> i did however manage to fix repair and re-install the original drive
>>> for the
>>> fz10m..so now i want to do disk trades..new thread!
>>>
>>> charles
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>
>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:59 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
>>>
>>>
>>> I think we are both in trouble I'm going to sit in the naughty
>>> corner.
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>> On 23 Oct 2012, at 14:31, jammie wrote:
>>>
>>>> i was asked a question by a member even if its of topic i answered
>>>> it
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: charles c
>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:58 PM
>>>> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you guys are off topic and what does this have to do with the
>>>> original thread?
>>>> charles]
>>>>
>>>> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> yes the mono tribe is pure analog electronics
>>>>>
>>>>> but descrete analog electronics is the way to go and easy to
>>>>> repair
>>>>> and get parts for but the use 4-5 times the amount of components
>>>>> but they are matches better
>>>>>
>>>>> and provide superior sound
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:47 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try and
>>>>> reply or argue with that.
>>>>> My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I
>>>>> believe
>>>>> is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly
>>>>> sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139
>>>>> new I
>>>>> have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and moog's +
>>>>> others and this is equally nice.
>>>>>
>>>>> J
>>>>>
>>>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> it was becuase every thing went digital
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and
>>>>>> 01w
>>>>>>
>>>>>> they were pure digital machines with no res filter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> digital osc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital
>>>>>> synths
>>>>>> and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly
>>>>>> synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog
>>>>>> vca
>>>>>>
>>>>>> this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters
>>>>>>
>>>>>> doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one
>>>>>> thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing
>>>>>> fast enough
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and you get samples in time delay for feed back
>>>>>>
>>>>>> unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input
>>>>>>
>>>>>> with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the
>>>>>> begining
>>>>>> which adds latency
>>>>>>
>>>>>> roland did it but it was good but analog it was not
>>>>>>
>>>>>> casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital
>>>>>> control
>>>>>> by cpu and analog audio path
>>>>>>
>>>>>> all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu
>>>>>> control
>>>>>> the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and
>>>>>> hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters
>>>>>>
>>>>>> this was first done on an 8bit system
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a
>>>>>> little
>>>>>> steppy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit
>>>>>> dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> was left as 8bits and is very steppy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital
>>>>>> and a new analog filter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series
>>>>>> samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths
>>>>>>
>>>>>> as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/
>>>>>> asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> do
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the
>>>>>> fealing
>>>>>> of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves
>>>>>> losing all the detail of the wavetable
>>>>>>
>>>>>> even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did
>>>>>> not use res
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the
>>>>>> table
>>>>>> with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used
>>>>>> sin/
>>>>>> tri/square/saw noise waves
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> do some neat filter tricks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> 135mb optical drives
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware
>>>>>> sequencer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tx16w
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file
>>>>>> support
>>>>>>
>>>>>> EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second
>>>>>> hand mula
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can
>>>>>> add
>>>>>> your own
>>>>>>
>>>>>> being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do
>>>>>> very
>>>>>> good synth type sounds
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter
>>>>>> and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1
>>>>>> key
>>>>>> sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1
>>>>>> filter
>>>>>> with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod
>>>>>> wheel
>>>>>> made it so much fatter with doing chords
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hiya,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad.
>>>>>> I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the
>>>>>> DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they
>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>> want to take sales away from the DSS-1?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes but the akai are so clinical digital
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog
>>>>>>> filters
>>>>>>> and they are warm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and
>>>>>>> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res
>>>>>>> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital
>>>>>>> synths
>>>>>>> through it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter
>>>>>>> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this
>>>>>>> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the
>>>>>>> matrix12
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in
>>>>>>> fzf
>>>>>>> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what
>>>>>>> waveshapes you want
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg
>>>>>>> series
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> same for the uwave and the uwavext
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the prophet vs including my user waves
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the kawai k3 k1/k4/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves
>>>>>>> lower
>>>>>>> you can get very fat sounds
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the
>>>>>>> dco
>>>>>>> of the roland series
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune
>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie.
>>>>>>> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as
>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without
>>>>>>> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I
>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to
>>>>>>> analogue
>>>>>>> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder
>>>>>>> everybody
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> his wife bought an Akai.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some
>>>>>>> interesting
>>>>>>> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on
>>>>>>> match of
>>>>>>> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the
>>>>>>>> near
>>>>>>>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm
>>>>>>>> card
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog
>>>>>>>> filters
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but
>>>>>>>> easy
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and
>>>>>>>> adding a
>>>>>>>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc
>>>>>>>> becuase
>>>>>>>> you need 7v for that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv
>>>>>>>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any
>>>>>>>> midi
>>>>>>>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you
>>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch
>>>>>>>> envelopes
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other
>>>>>>>> creating a
>>>>>>>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the
>>>>>>>> ppg
>>>>>>>> wavetables
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>> the same single cycle additive waveform
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> for slot one and the end slot
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and
>>>>>>>> atari
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> and made it easy for looping
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> like the ppg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i have done all the ppg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the
>>>>>>>> ppg
>>>>>>>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half
>>>>>>>> cycle
>>>>>>>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Jammie,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on
>>>>>>>> here
>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to.
>>>>>>>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I
>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those
>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> f**king huge.
>>>>>>>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> k3
>>>>>>>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin
>>>>>>>>> synthesis
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: jammie
>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section
>>>>>>>>> sounds
>>>>>>>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other
>>>>>>>>> synth/
>>>>>>>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the
>>>>>>>>> Korg
>>>>>>>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland
>>>>>>>>> samplers
>>>>>>>>> and the Fairlight of course.
>>>>>>>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive
>>>>>>>>> drawing
>>>>>>>>> using a slider too.
>>>>>>>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one
>>>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could
>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it
>>>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>>>> Jaz
>>>>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ ,
>>>>>>>>>> and by now the prices of a
>>>>>>>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed.....
>>>>>>>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb?
>>>>>>>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology
>>>>>>>>>> personally?
>>>>>>>>>> i am interested adapting
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> charles
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>
>>>>>>>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw
>>>>>>>>>>>> image
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> cant
>>>>>>>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image
>>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy
>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>> its a
>>>>>>>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the
>>>>>>>>>>>> fz20
>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>> use the scsi
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m
>>>>>>>>>>>> floppies?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a little o.t.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fz10m
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> charles
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
2012-10-27 by Jason Adkins
What gets me about the bloody G5 dual 1.8mhz is that it has 8 dimm sockets and I have tried every combination with ram I know is working and still it doesn't boot and has the 3 flashing lights surely all 8 can't have f**ked up? Unless it is the two first ones that have to work, power supply problem maybe? J
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On 27 Oct 2012, at 09:18, jack wrote: > i have a proper reflow oven the pcb goes on a conveyer timed > temperature controled > > its best used for surface mount boards and solder paste > > or boards that have been wave soldered which seem to have the most > problems with cold solder joints > > get an smd blow gun i use that for small smd work where i have to > remove the damaged smd components just heat up one side of the chip > at a time letting the solder reflow > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jason Adkins > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 11:29 PM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m > > > > I take it you have done a similar thing yourself then Jammie,let me > guess some clients expensive synthesizer board? > I'd give it a go but knowing me I probably put in there as the same > for a ham and pineapple pizza and I don't really want to accidently > eat G5 powermac motherboard parts for dinner...... I would give it a > go but its just too much aggro stripping the thing down,its worth > bugger all anyway but if you have any suggestions that I could do > with > the board in place I'd be glad to hear them. > > J > > On 26 Oct 2012, at 22:53, jammie wrote: > >> thats what they do in a re flow oven >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jason Adkins >> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >> >> >> >> Hi Charles, >> >> ;) You did well there I messed about with the internals of a floppy >> once and I made a right pigs breakfast of it. >> >> Its funny you should mention the oven because I have a broken 1.8 >> dual >> G5 Powermac and one of the solutions on the web is to put the >> mainboard in an oven to slightly melt the solder around the ram >> sockets which is the problem with it coz it doesn't recognise the >> ram, >> many a thing said in jest and all that. >> >> J >> >> On 24 Oct 2012, at 03:31, charlie midi gfa wrote: >> >>> no , took my head out of the oven >>> >>> >>> but seriousilly >>> painfully re-alligned the read head manually, >>> >>> stoked , it is regained strenght!!!!!!! >>> >>> charles >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:28 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >>> >>> >>> Hey glad to hear it Charles did you take your false teeth out of the >>> disk drive? >>> >>> J >>> >>> On 24 Oct 2012, at 02:34, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>> >>>> im bad for this too , but lets remmeber to address the originator >>>> of the >>>> thread and not the followers,,any side longed comments or items >>>> should have >>>> their own thread , else the group will look like crap... >>>> >>>> i did however manage to fix repair and re-install the original >>>> drive >>>> for the >>>> fz10m..so now i want to do disk trades..new thread! >>>> >>>> charles >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:59 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >>>> >>>> >>>> I think we are both in trouble I'm going to sit in the naughty >>>> corner. >>>> >>>> J >>>> >>>> On 23 Oct 2012, at 14:31, jammie wrote: >>>> >>>>> i was asked a question by a member even if its of topic i answered >>>>> it >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: charles c >>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:58 PM >>>>> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> you guys are off topic and what does this have to do with the >>>>> original thread? >>>>> charles] >>>>> >>>>> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> yes the mono tribe is pure analog electronics >>>>>> >>>>>> but descrete analog electronics is the way to go and easy to >>>>>> repair >>>>>> and get parts for but the use 4-5 times the amount of components >>>>>> but they are matches better >>>>>> >>>>>> and provide superior sound >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:47 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try >>>>>> and >>>>>> reply or argue with that. >>>>>> My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I >>>>>> believe >>>>>> is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly >>>>>> sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139 >>>>>> new I >>>>>> have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and >>>>>> moog's + >>>>>> others and this is equally nice. >>>>>> >>>>>> J >>>>>> >>>>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> it was becuase every thing went digital >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> 01w >>>>>>> >>>>>>> they were pure digital machines with no res filter >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> digital osc >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital >>>>>>> synths >>>>>>> and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly >>>>>>> synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog >>>>>>> vca >>>>>>> >>>>>>> this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great >>>>>>> >>>>>>> so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters >>>>>>> >>>>>>> doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for >>>>>>> one >>>>>>> thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing >>>>>>> fast enough >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and you get samples in time delay for feed back >>>>>>> >>>>>>> unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the >>>>>>> input >>>>>>> >>>>>>> with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the >>>>>>> begining >>>>>>> which adds latency >>>>>>> >>>>>>> roland did it but it was good but analog it was not >>>>>>> >>>>>>> casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital >>>>>>> control >>>>>>> by cpu and analog audio path >>>>>>> >>>>>>> all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu >>>>>>> control >>>>>>> the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters >>>>>>> >>>>>>> this was first done on an 8bit system >>>>>>> >>>>>>> thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a >>>>>>> little >>>>>>> steppy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used >>>>>>> 12bit >>>>>>> dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix >>>>>>> 1000 >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> was left as 8bits and is very steppy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is >>>>>>> digital >>>>>>> and a new analog filter >>>>>>> >>>>>>> out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series >>>>>>> samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best >>>>>>> >>>>>>> yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths >>>>>>> >>>>>>> as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/ >>>>>>> asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the >>>>>>> fealing >>>>>>> of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves >>>>>>> losing all the detail of the wavetable >>>>>>> >>>>>>> even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability >>>>>>> did >>>>>>> not use res >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the >>>>>>> table >>>>>>> with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used >>>>>>> sin/ >>>>>>> tri/square/saw noise waves >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> do some neat filter tricks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> 135mb optical drives >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware >>>>>>> sequencer >>>>>>> >>>>>>> kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack >>>>>>> >>>>>>> tx16w >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file >>>>>>> support >>>>>>> >>>>>>> EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big >>>>>>> second >>>>>>> hand mula >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can >>>>>>> add >>>>>>> your own >>>>>>> >>>>>>> being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do >>>>>>> very >>>>>>> good synth type sounds >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the >>>>>>> filter >>>>>>> and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1 >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this >>>>>>> >>>>>>> yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 >>>>>>> key >>>>>>> sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 >>>>>>> filter >>>>>>> with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod >>>>>>> wheel >>>>>>> made it so much fatter with doing chords >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hiya, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too >>>>>>> bad. >>>>>>> I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they >>>>>>> didn't >>>>>>> want to take sales away from the DSS-1? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> yes but the akai are so clinical digital >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog >>>>>>>> filters >>>>>>>> and they are warm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res >>>>>>>> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital >>>>>>>> synths >>>>>>>> through it >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter >>>>>>>> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the >>>>>>>> matrix12 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in >>>>>>>> fzf >>>>>>>> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know >>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>> waveshapes you want >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg >>>>>>>> series >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> same for the uwave and the uwavext >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the prophet vs including my user waves >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the kawai k3 k1/k4/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 >>>>>>>> layers >>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves >>>>>>>> lower >>>>>>>> you can get very fat sounds >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally >>>>>>>> controlled >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the >>>>>>>> dco >>>>>>>> of the roland series >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune >>>>>>>> control >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie. >>>>>>>> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as >>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard >>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I >>>>>>>> love >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to >>>>>>>> analogue >>>>>>>> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder >>>>>>>> everybody >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> his wife bought an Akai. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some >>>>>>>> interesting >>>>>>>> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on >>>>>>>> match of >>>>>>>> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the >>>>>>>>> near >>>>>>>>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm >>>>>>>>> card >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with >>>>>>>>> analog >>>>>>>>> filters >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but >>>>>>>>> easy >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and >>>>>>>>> adding a >>>>>>>>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc >>>>>>>>> becuase >>>>>>>>> you need 7v for that >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv >>>>>>>>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to >>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>> midi >>>>>>>>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you >>>>>>>>> set >>>>>>>>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch >>>>>>>>> envelopes >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other >>>>>>>>> creating a >>>>>>>>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the >>>>>>>>> ppg >>>>>>>>> wavetables >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>> the same single cycle additive waveform >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> for slot one and the end slot >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and >>>>>>>>> atari >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> and made it easy for looping >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can >>>>>>>>> sweep >>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>> like the ppg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i have done all the ppg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the >>>>>>>>> ppg >>>>>>>>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half >>>>>>>>> cycle >>>>>>>>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Jammie, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on >>>>>>>>> here >>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to. >>>>>>>>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I >>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those >>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> f**king huge. >>>>>>>>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> k3 >>>>>>>>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin >>>>>>>>>> synthesis >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: jammie >>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section >>>>>>>>>> sounds >>>>>>>>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other >>>>>>>>>> synth/ >>>>>>>>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the >>>>>>>>>> Korg >>>>>>>>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few >>>>>>>>>> programs >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland >>>>>>>>>> samplers >>>>>>>>>> and the Fairlight of course. >>>>>>>>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive >>>>>>>>>> drawing >>>>>>>>>> using a slider too. >>>>>>>>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one >>>>>>>>>> in a >>>>>>>>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I >>>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it >>>>>>>>>> from a >>>>>>>>>> Jaz >>>>>>>>>> drive. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , >>>>>>>>>>> and by now the prices of a >>>>>>>>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... >>>>>>>>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? >>>>>>>>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology >>>>>>>>>>> personally? >>>>>>>>>>> i am interested adapting >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> charles >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>>>>>>>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw >>>>>>>>>>>>> image >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> cant >>>>>>>>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image >>>>>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy >>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>> its a >>>>>>>>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the >>>>>>>>>>>>> fz20 >>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>> use the scsi >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m >>>>>>>>>>>>> floppies? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a little o.t. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fz10m >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> charles >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 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Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
2012-10-27 by Jason Adkins
Actually I have just tried it totally without ram and it is flashing two lights which means no ram fitted so it must be recognising the ram when it is fitted because it flashes bad ram,but it isn't,weird. J
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On 27 Oct 2012, at 09:18, jack wrote: > i have a proper reflow oven the pcb goes on a conveyer timed > temperature controled > > its best used for surface mount boards and solder paste > > or boards that have been wave soldered which seem to have the most > problems with cold solder joints > > get an smd blow gun i use that for small smd work where i have to > remove the damaged smd components just heat up one side of the chip > at a time letting the solder reflow > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jason Adkins > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 11:29 PM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m > > > > I take it you have done a similar thing yourself then Jammie,let me > guess some clients expensive synthesizer board? > I'd give it a go but knowing me I probably put in there as the same > for a ham and pineapple pizza and I don't really want to accidently > eat G5 powermac motherboard parts for dinner...... I would give it a > go but its just too much aggro stripping the thing down,its worth > bugger all anyway but if you have any suggestions that I could do > with > the board in place I'd be glad to hear them. > > J > > On 26 Oct 2012, at 22:53, jammie wrote: > >> thats what they do in a re flow oven >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jason Adkins >> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >> >> >> >> Hi Charles, >> >> ;) You did well there I messed about with the internals of a floppy >> once and I made a right pigs breakfast of it. >> >> Its funny you should mention the oven because I have a broken 1.8 >> dual >> G5 Powermac and one of the solutions on the web is to put the >> mainboard in an oven to slightly melt the solder around the ram >> sockets which is the problem with it coz it doesn't recognise the >> ram, >> many a thing said in jest and all that. >> >> J >> >> On 24 Oct 2012, at 03:31, charlie midi gfa wrote: >> >>> no , took my head out of the oven >>> >>> >>> but seriousilly >>> painfully re-alligned the read head manually, >>> >>> stoked , it is regained strenght!!!!!!! >>> >>> charles >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:28 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >>> >>> >>> Hey glad to hear it Charles did you take your false teeth out of the >>> disk drive? >>> >>> J >>> >>> On 24 Oct 2012, at 02:34, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>> >>>> im bad for this too , but lets remmeber to address the originator >>>> of the >>>> thread and not the followers,,any side longed comments or items >>>> should have >>>> their own thread , else the group will look like crap... >>>> >>>> i did however manage to fix repair and re-install the original >>>> drive >>>> for the >>>> fz10m..so now i want to do disk trades..new thread! >>>> >>>> charles >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:59 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >>>> >>>> >>>> I think we are both in trouble I'm going to sit in the naughty >>>> corner. >>>> >>>> J >>>> >>>> On 23 Oct 2012, at 14:31, jammie wrote: >>>> >>>>> i was asked a question by a member even if its of topic i answered >>>>> it >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: charles c >>>>> To: CZsynth@...m >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:58 PM >>>>> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> you guys are off topic and what does this have to do with the >>>>> original thread? >>>>> charles] >>>>> >>>>> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> yes the mono tribe is pure analog electronics >>>>>> >>>>>> but descrete analog electronics is the way to go and easy to >>>>>> repair >>>>>> and get parts for but the use 4-5 times the amount of components >>>>>> but they are matches better >>>>>> >>>>>> and provide superior sound >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:47 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try >>>>>> and >>>>>> reply or argue with that. >>>>>> My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I >>>>>> believe >>>>>> is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly >>>>>> sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139 >>>>>> new I >>>>>> have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and >>>>>> moog's + >>>>>> others and this is equally nice. >>>>>> >>>>>> J >>>>>> >>>>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> it was becuase every thing went digital >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> 01w >>>>>>> >>>>>>> they were pure digital machines with no res filter >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> digital osc >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital >>>>>>> synths >>>>>>> and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly >>>>>>> synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog >>>>>>> vca >>>>>>> >>>>>>> this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great >>>>>>> >>>>>>> so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters >>>>>>> >>>>>>> doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for >>>>>>> one >>>>>>> thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing >>>>>>> fast enough >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and you get samples in time delay for feed back >>>>>>> >>>>>>> unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the >>>>>>> input >>>>>>> >>>>>>> with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the >>>>>>> begining >>>>>>> which adds latency >>>>>>> >>>>>>> roland did it but it was good but analog it was not >>>>>>> >>>>>>> casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital >>>>>>> control >>>>>>> by cpu and analog audio path >>>>>>> >>>>>>> all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu >>>>>>> control >>>>>>> the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters >>>>>>> >>>>>>> this was first done on an 8bit system >>>>>>> >>>>>>> thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a >>>>>>> little >>>>>>> steppy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used >>>>>>> 12bit >>>>>>> dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix >>>>>>> 1000 >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> was left as 8bits and is very steppy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is >>>>>>> digital >>>>>>> and a new analog filter >>>>>>> >>>>>>> out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series >>>>>>> samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best >>>>>>> >>>>>>> yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths >>>>>>> >>>>>>> as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/ >>>>>>> asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the >>>>>>> fealing >>>>>>> of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves >>>>>>> losing all the detail of the wavetable >>>>>>> >>>>>>> even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability >>>>>>> did >>>>>>> not use res >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the >>>>>>> table >>>>>>> with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used >>>>>>> sin/ >>>>>>> tri/square/saw noise waves >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> do some neat filter tricks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> 135mb optical drives >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware >>>>>>> sequencer >>>>>>> >>>>>>> kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack >>>>>>> >>>>>>> tx16w >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file >>>>>>> support >>>>>>> >>>>>>> EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big >>>>>>> second >>>>>>> hand mula >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can >>>>>>> add >>>>>>> your own >>>>>>> >>>>>>> being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do >>>>>>> very >>>>>>> good synth type sounds >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the >>>>>>> filter >>>>>>> and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1 >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this >>>>>>> >>>>>>> yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 >>>>>>> key >>>>>>> sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 >>>>>>> filter >>>>>>> with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod >>>>>>> wheel >>>>>>> made it so much fatter with doing chords >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hiya, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too >>>>>>> bad. >>>>>>> I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they >>>>>>> didn't >>>>>>> want to take sales away from the DSS-1? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> yes but the akai are so clinical digital >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog >>>>>>>> filters >>>>>>>> and they are warm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res >>>>>>>> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital >>>>>>>> synths >>>>>>>> through it >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter >>>>>>>> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the >>>>>>>> matrix12 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in >>>>>>>> fzf >>>>>>>> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know >>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>> waveshapes you want >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg >>>>>>>> series >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> same for the uwave and the uwavext >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the prophet vs including my user waves >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the kawai k3 k1/k4/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 >>>>>>>> layers >>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves >>>>>>>> lower >>>>>>>> you can get very fat sounds >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally >>>>>>>> controlled >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the >>>>>>>> dco >>>>>>>> of the roland series >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune >>>>>>>> control >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie. >>>>>>>> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as >>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard >>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I >>>>>>>> love >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to >>>>>>>> analogue >>>>>>>> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder >>>>>>>> everybody >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> his wife bought an Akai. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some >>>>>>>> interesting >>>>>>>> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on >>>>>>>> match of >>>>>>>> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the >>>>>>>>> near >>>>>>>>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm >>>>>>>>> card >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with >>>>>>>>> analog >>>>>>>>> filters >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but >>>>>>>>> easy >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and >>>>>>>>> adding a >>>>>>>>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc >>>>>>>>> becuase >>>>>>>>> you need 7v for that >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv >>>>>>>>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to >>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>> midi >>>>>>>>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you >>>>>>>>> set >>>>>>>>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch >>>>>>>>> envelopes >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other >>>>>>>>> creating a >>>>>>>>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the >>>>>>>>> ppg >>>>>>>>> wavetables >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>> the same single cycle additive waveform >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> for slot one and the end slot >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and >>>>>>>>> atari >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> and made it easy for looping >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can >>>>>>>>> sweep >>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>> like the ppg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i have done all the ppg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the >>>>>>>>> ppg >>>>>>>>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half >>>>>>>>> cycle >>>>>>>>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Jammie, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on >>>>>>>>> here >>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to. >>>>>>>>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I >>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those >>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> f**king huge. >>>>>>>>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> k3 >>>>>>>>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin >>>>>>>>>> synthesis >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: jammie >>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section >>>>>>>>>> sounds >>>>>>>>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other >>>>>>>>>> synth/ >>>>>>>>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the >>>>>>>>>> Korg >>>>>>>>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few >>>>>>>>>> programs >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland >>>>>>>>>> samplers >>>>>>>>>> and the Fairlight of course. >>>>>>>>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive >>>>>>>>>> drawing >>>>>>>>>> using a slider too. >>>>>>>>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one >>>>>>>>>> in a >>>>>>>>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I >>>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it >>>>>>>>>> from a >>>>>>>>>> Jaz >>>>>>>>>> drive. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , >>>>>>>>>>> and by now the prices of a >>>>>>>>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... >>>>>>>>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? >>>>>>>>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology >>>>>>>>>>> personally? >>>>>>>>>>> i am interested adapting >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> charles >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>>>>>>>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw >>>>>>>>>>>>> image >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> cant >>>>>>>>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image >>>>>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy >>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>> its a >>>>>>>>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the >>>>>>>>>>>>> fz20 >>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>> use the scsi >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m >>>>>>>>>>>>> floppies? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a little o.t. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fz10m >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> charles >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 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Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
2012-10-27 by jack
check the 3.3v on the ram modules to see if your getting 3.3v on all or if there is a drop in voltage the backup battery for the motherboard rom is this ok as if this goes they tend to lose there bios
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Adkins
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
What gets me about the bloody G5 dual 1.8mhz is that it has 8 dimm
sockets and I have tried every combination with ram I know is working
and still it doesn't boot and has the 3 flashing lights surely all 8
can't have f**ked up?
Unless it is the two first ones that have to work, power supply
problem maybe?
J
On 27 Oct 2012, at 09:18, jack wrote:
> i have a proper reflow oven the pcb goes on a conveyer timed
> temperature controled
>
> its best used for surface mount boards and solder paste
>
> or boards that have been wave soldered which seem to have the most
> problems with cold solder joints
>
> get an smd blow gun i use that for small smd work where i have to
> remove the damaged smd components just heat up one side of the chip
> at a time letting the solder reflow
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jason Adkins
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 11:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
>
>
>
> I take it you have done a similar thing yourself then Jammie,let me
> guess some clients expensive synthesizer board?
> I'd give it a go but knowing me I probably put in there as the same
> for a ham and pineapple pizza and I don't really want to accidently
> eat G5 powermac motherboard parts for dinner...... I would give it a
> go but its just too much aggro stripping the thing down,its worth
> bugger all anyway but if you have any suggestions that I could do
> with
> the board in place I'd be glad to hear them.
>
> J
>
> On 26 Oct 2012, at 22:53, jammie wrote:
>
>> thats what they do in a re flow oven
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jason Adkins
>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Charles,
>>
>> ;) You did well there I messed about with the internals of a floppy
>> once and I made a right pigs breakfast of it.
>>
>> Its funny you should mention the oven because I have a broken 1.8
>> dual
>> G5 Powermac and one of the solutions on the web is to put the
>> mainboard in an oven to slightly melt the solder around the ram
>> sockets which is the problem with it coz it doesn't recognise the
>> ram,
>> many a thing said in jest and all that.
>>
>> J
>>
>> On 24 Oct 2012, at 03:31, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>>
>>> no , took my head out of the oven
>>>
>>>
>>> but seriousilly
>>> painfully re-alligned the read head manually,
>>>
>>> stoked , it is regained strenght!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> charles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>
>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey glad to hear it Charles did you take your false teeth out of the
>>> disk drive?
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>> On 24 Oct 2012, at 02:34, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>>>
>>>> im bad for this too , but lets remmeber to address the originator
>>>> of the
>>>> thread and not the followers,,any side longed comments or items
>>>> should have
>>>> their own thread , else the group will look like crap...
>>>>
>>>> i did however manage to fix repair and re-install the original
>>>> drive
>>>> for the
>>>> fz10m..so now i want to do disk trades..new thread!
>>>>
>>>> charles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@....uk>
>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:59 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think we are both in trouble I'm going to sit in the naughty
>>>> corner.
>>>>
>>>> J
>>>>
>>>> On 23 Oct 2012, at 14:31, jammie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> i was asked a question by a member even if its of topic i answered
>>>>> it
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: charles c
>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:58 PM
>>>>> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> you guys are off topic and what does this have to do with the
>>>>> original thread?
>>>>> charles]
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yes the mono tribe is pure analog electronics
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but descrete analog electronics is the way to go and easy to
>>>>>> repair
>>>>>> and get parts for but the use 4-5 times the amount of components
>>>>>> but they are matches better
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and provide superior sound
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:47 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> reply or argue with that.
>>>>>> My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I
>>>>>> believe
>>>>>> is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly
>>>>>> sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139
>>>>>> new I
>>>>>> have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and
>>>>>> moog's +
>>>>>> others and this is equally nice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it was becuase every thing went digital
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> 01w
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> they were pure digital machines with no res filter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> digital osc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital
>>>>>>> synths
>>>>>>> and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly
>>>>>>> synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog
>>>>>>> vca
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>> thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing
>>>>>>> fast enough
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and you get samples in time delay for feed back
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the
>>>>>>> input
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the
>>>>>>> begining
>>>>>>> which adds latency
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> roland did it but it was good but analog it was not
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital
>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>> by cpu and analog audio path
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu
>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>> the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this was first done on an 8bit system
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a
>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>> steppy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used
>>>>>>> 12bit
>>>>>>> dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix
>>>>>>> 1000
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> was left as 8bits and is very steppy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is
>>>>>>> digital
>>>>>>> and a new analog filter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series
>>>>>>> samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/
>>>>>>> asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the
>>>>>>> fealing
>>>>>>> of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves
>>>>>>> losing all the detail of the wavetable
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability
>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>> not use res
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the
>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>> with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used
>>>>>>> sin/
>>>>>>> tri/square/saw noise waves
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> do some neat filter tricks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> 135mb optical drives
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware
>>>>>>> sequencer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> tx16w
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file
>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big
>>>>>>> second
>>>>>>> hand mula
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can
>>>>>>> add
>>>>>>> your own
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do
>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>> good synth type sounds
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the
>>>>>>> filter
>>>>>>> and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1
>>>>>>> key
>>>>>>> sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1
>>>>>>> filter
>>>>>>> with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod
>>>>>>> wheel
>>>>>>> made it so much fatter with doing chords
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hiya,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too
>>>>>>> bad.
>>>>>>> I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they
>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>> want to take sales away from the DSS-1?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> yes but the akai are so clinical digital
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog
>>>>>>>> filters
>>>>>>>> and they are warm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res
>>>>>>>> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital
>>>>>>>> synths
>>>>>>>> through it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter
>>>>>>>> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the
>>>>>>>> matrix12
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in
>>>>>>>> fzf
>>>>>>>> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> waveshapes you want
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg
>>>>>>>> series
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> same for the uwave and the uwavext
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the prophet vs including my user waves
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the kawai k3 k1/k4/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8
>>>>>>>> layers
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves
>>>>>>>> lower
>>>>>>>> you can get very fat sounds
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally
>>>>>>>> controlled
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the
>>>>>>>> dco
>>>>>>>> of the roland series
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune
>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie.
>>>>>>>> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as
>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard
>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I
>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to
>>>>>>>> analogue
>>>>>>>> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder
>>>>>>>> everybody
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> his wife bought an Akai.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some
>>>>>>>> interesting
>>>>>>>> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on
>>>>>>>> match of
>>>>>>>> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the
>>>>>>>>> near
>>>>>>>>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm
>>>>>>>>> card
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with
>>>>>>>>> analog
>>>>>>>>> filters
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but
>>>>>>>>> easy
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and
>>>>>>>>> adding a
>>>>>>>>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc
>>>>>>>>> becuase
>>>>>>>>> you need 7v for that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv
>>>>>>>>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to
>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>> midi
>>>>>>>>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you
>>>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch
>>>>>>>>> envelopes
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other
>>>>>>>>> creating a
>>>>>>>>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the
>>>>>>>>> ppg
>>>>>>>>> wavetables
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>> the same single cycle additive waveform
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> for slot one and the end slot
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and
>>>>>>>>> atari
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> and made it easy for looping
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can
>>>>>>>>> sweep
>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>> like the ppg
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> i have done all the ppg
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the
>>>>>>>>> ppg
>>>>>>>>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half
>>>>>>>>> cycle
>>>>>>>>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Jammie,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on
>>>>>>>>> here
>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to.
>>>>>>>>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I
>>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those
>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> f**king huge.
>>>>>>>>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> k3
>>>>>>>>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin
>>>>>>>>>> synthesis
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: jammie
>>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section
>>>>>>>>>> sounds
>>>>>>>>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other
>>>>>>>>>> synth/
>>>>>>>>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the
>>>>>>>>>> Korg
>>>>>>>>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few
>>>>>>>>>> programs
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland
>>>>>>>>>> samplers
>>>>>>>>>> and the Fairlight of course.
>>>>>>>>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive
>>>>>>>>>> drawing
>>>>>>>>>> using a slider too.
>>>>>>>>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one
>>>>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>>>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I
>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it
>>>>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>>>>> Jaz
>>>>>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ ,
>>>>>>>>>>> and by now the prices of a
>>>>>>>>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed.....
>>>>>>>>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb?
>>>>>>>>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology
>>>>>>>>>>> personally?
>>>>>>>>>>> i am interested adapting
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> charles
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw
>>>>>>>>>>>>> image
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cant
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image
>>>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> its a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fz20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use the scsi
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m
>>>>>>>>>>>>> floppies?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a little o.t.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fz10m
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
2012-10-27 by Jason Adkins
Hi Jack/Jammie, The battery is new I put it on a meter 3.6v,the ram is new and they both work in the 2.7ghz Dual G5 which I had to buy to replace the 1.8ghz Dual which was meant to replace my 1.0ghz Dual G4 if you get my meaning although I havn't put the psu on a meter yet I should trash the thing but I just hate to throw such a potentially useful machine away although I did get an ATI 256mb Graphics and airport extreme out of it which are now in the 2.7ghz so not end of world. Sent from my MegaSTE
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On 27 Oct 2012, at 10:28, jack wrote: > check the 3.3v on the ram modules to see if your getting 3.3v on > all or if there is a drop in voltage > > the backup battery for the motherboard rom is this ok as if this > goes they tend to lose there bios > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jason Adkins > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m > > > > What gets me about the bloody G5 dual 1.8mhz is that it has 8 dimm > sockets and I have tried every combination with ram I know is working > and still it doesn't boot and has the 3 flashing lights surely all 8 > can't have f**ked up? > Unless it is the two first ones that have to work, power supply > problem maybe? > > J > > On 27 Oct 2012, at 09:18, jack wrote: > >> i have a proper reflow oven the pcb goes on a conveyer timed >> temperature controled >> >> its best used for surface mount boards and solder paste >> >> or boards that have been wave soldered which seem to have the most >> problems with cold solder joints >> >> get an smd blow gun i use that for small smd work where i have to >> remove the damaged smd components just heat up one side of the chip >> at a time letting the solder reflow >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jason Adkins >> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 11:29 PM >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >> >> >> >> I take it you have done a similar thing yourself then Jammie,let me >> guess some clients expensive synthesizer board? >> I'd give it a go but knowing me I probably put in there as the same >> for a ham and pineapple pizza and I don't really want to accidently >> eat G5 powermac motherboard parts for dinner...... I would give it a >> go but its just too much aggro stripping the thing down,its worth >> bugger all anyway but if you have any suggestions that I could do >> with >> the board in place I'd be glad to hear them. >> >> J >> >> On 26 Oct 2012, at 22:53, jammie wrote: >> >>> thats what they do in a re flow oven >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Jason Adkins >>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:17 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Charles, >>> >>> ;) You did well there I messed about with the internals of a floppy >>> once and I made a right pigs breakfast of it. >>> >>> Its funny you should mention the oven because I have a broken 1.8 >>> dual >>> G5 Powermac and one of the solutions on the web is to put the >>> mainboard in an oven to slightly melt the solder around the ram >>> sockets which is the problem with it coz it doesn't recognise the >>> ram, >>> many a thing said in jest and all that. >>> >>> J >>> >>> On 24 Oct 2012, at 03:31, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>> >>>> no , took my head out of the oven >>>> >>>> >>>> but seriousilly >>>> painfully re-alligned the read head manually, >>>> >>>> stoked , it is regained strenght!!!!!!! >>>> >>>> charles >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:28 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >>>> >>>> >>>> Hey glad to hear it Charles did you take your false teeth out of >>>> the >>>> disk drive? >>>> >>>> J >>>> >>>> On 24 Oct 2012, at 02:34, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>> >>>>> im bad for this too , but lets remmeber to address the originator >>>>> of the >>>>> thread and not the followers,,any side longed comments or items >>>>> should have >>>>> their own thread , else the group will look like crap... >>>>> >>>>> i did however manage to fix repair and re-install the original >>>>> drive >>>>> for the >>>>> fz10m..so now i want to do disk trades..new thread! >>>>> >>>>> charles >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:59 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I think we are both in trouble I'm going to sit in the naughty >>>>> corner. >>>>> >>>>> J >>>>> >>>>> On 23 Oct 2012, at 14:31, jammie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> i was asked a question by a member even if its of topic i >>>>>> answered >>>>>> it >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: charles c >>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:58 PM >>>>>> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> you guys are off topic and what does this have to do with the >>>>>> original thread? >>>>>> charles] >>>>>> >>>>>> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> yes the mono tribe is pure analog electronics >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but descrete analog electronics is the way to go and easy to >>>>>>> repair >>>>>>> and get parts for but the use 4-5 times the amount of components >>>>>>> but they are matches better >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and provide superior sound >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:47 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> reply or argue with that. >>>>>>> My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I >>>>>>> believe >>>>>>> is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it >>>>>>> certainly >>>>>>> sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139 >>>>>>> new I >>>>>>> have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and >>>>>>> moog's + >>>>>>> others and this is equally nice. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it was becuase every thing went digital >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> 01w >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> they were pure digital machines with no res filter >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> digital osc >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital >>>>>>>> synths >>>>>>>> and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly >>>>>>>> synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 >>>>>>>> analog >>>>>>>> vca >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to >>>>>>>> great >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate >>>>>>>> filters >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for >>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>> thing you need lots of processor power they just never had >>>>>>>> thing >>>>>>>> fast enough >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and you get samples in time delay for feed back >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the >>>>>>>> input >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the >>>>>>>> begining >>>>>>>> which adds latency >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> roland did it but it was good but analog it was not >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital >>>>>>>> control >>>>>>>> by cpu and analog audio path >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu >>>>>>>> control >>>>>>>> the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally >>>>>>>> controlled >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> this was first done on an 8bit system >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a >>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>> steppy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used >>>>>>>> 12bit >>>>>>>> dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix >>>>>>>> 1000 >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> was left as 8bits and is very steppy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is >>>>>>>> digital >>>>>>>> and a new analog filter >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series >>>>>>>> samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the >>>>>>>> eps16+/ >>>>>>>> asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the >>>>>>>> waldorfs >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i >>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>> the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the >>>>>>>> fealing >>>>>>>> of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin >>>>>>>> waves >>>>>>>> losing all the detail of the wavetable >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability >>>>>>>> did >>>>>>>> not use res >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the >>>>>>>> table >>>>>>>> with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only >>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>> sin/ >>>>>>>> tri/square/saw noise waves >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> do some neat filter tricks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 >>>>>>>> having >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> 135mb optical drives >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware >>>>>>>> sequencer >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> tx16w >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file >>>>>>>> support >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big >>>>>>>> second >>>>>>>> hand mula >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can >>>>>>>> add >>>>>>>> your own >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and >>>>>>>> samplers >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do >>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>> good synth type sounds >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the >>>>>>>> filter >>>>>>>> and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the >>>>>>>> fz1 >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 >>>>>>>> key >>>>>>>> sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 >>>>>>>> filter >>>>>>>> with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod >>>>>>>> wheel >>>>>>>> made it so much fatter with doing chords >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hiya, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too >>>>>>>> bad. >>>>>>>> I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they >>>>>>>> didn't >>>>>>>> want to take sales away from the DSS-1? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> yes but the akai are so clinical digital >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog >>>>>>>>> filters >>>>>>>>> and they are warm >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res >>>>>>>>> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital >>>>>>>>> synths >>>>>>>>> through it >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter >>>>>>>>> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> matrix12 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> fzf >>>>>>>>> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know >>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>> waveshapes you want >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the >>>>>>>>> ppg >>>>>>>>> series >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> same for the uwave and the uwavext >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the prophet vs including my user waves >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the kawai k3 k1/k4/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples >>>>>>>>> layered >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 >>>>>>>>> layers >>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves >>>>>>>>> lower >>>>>>>>> you can get very fat sounds >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally >>>>>>>>> controlled >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> dco >>>>>>>>> of the roland series >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune >>>>>>>>> control >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie. >>>>>>>>> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as >>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard >>>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>>> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I >>>>>>>>> love >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to >>>>>>>>> analogue >>>>>>>>> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder >>>>>>>>> everybody >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> his wife bought an Akai. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some >>>>>>>>> interesting >>>>>>>>> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on >>>>>>>>> match of >>>>>>>>> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the >>>>>>>>>> near >>>>>>>>>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm >>>>>>>>>> card >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with >>>>>>>>>> analog >>>>>>>>>> filters >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but >>>>>>>>>> easy >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and >>>>>>>>>> adding a >>>>>>>>>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc >>>>>>>>>> becuase >>>>>>>>>> you need 7v for that >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv >>>>>>>>>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to >>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>> midi >>>>>>>>>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 >>>>>>>>>> partials >>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you >>>>>>>>>> set >>>>>>>>>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch >>>>>>>>>> envelopes >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other >>>>>>>>>> creating a >>>>>>>>>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the >>>>>>>>>> ppg >>>>>>>>>> wavetables >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>> the same single cycle additive waveform >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> for slot one and the end slot >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> atari >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables >>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>> and made it easy for looping >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can >>>>>>>>>> sweep >>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>> like the ppg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> i have done all the ppg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the >>>>>>>>>> ppg >>>>>>>>>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half >>>>>>>>>> cycle >>>>>>>>>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Jammie, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on >>>>>>>>>> here >>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to. >>>>>>>>>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I >>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those >>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> f**king huge. >>>>>>>>>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses >>>>>>>>>>> samplers >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> k3 >>>>>>>>>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin >>>>>>>>>>> synthesis >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that >>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: jammie >>>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth >>>>>>>>>>> section >>>>>>>>>>> sounds >>>>>>>>>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only >>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>> synth/ >>>>>>>>>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the >>>>>>>>>>> Korg >>>>>>>>>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few >>>>>>>>>>> programs >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland >>>>>>>>>>> samplers >>>>>>>>>>> and the Fairlight of course. >>>>>>>>>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive >>>>>>>>>>> drawing >>>>>>>>>>> using a slider too. >>>>>>>>>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one >>>>>>>>>>> in a >>>>>>>>>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I >>>>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it >>>>>>>>>>> from a >>>>>>>>>>> Jaz >>>>>>>>>>> drive. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , >>>>>>>>>>>> and by now the prices of a >>>>>>>>>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... >>>>>>>>>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? >>>>>>>>>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology >>>>>>>>>>>> personally? >>>>>>>>>>>> i am interested adapting >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> charles >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw >>>>>>>>>>>>>> image >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cant >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> image >>>>>>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> floppy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> its a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fz20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> use the scsi >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m >>>>>>>>>>>>>> floppies? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 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Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
2012-10-30 by Jason Adkins
Yeah lol or not prepared to spend the money on a technician cause its not worth anything really like me. I have only used my friends FZ1 (in which we tried to fix the floppy) and a FZ10m in a studio with a Jaz drive,i'm afraid I'm no expert with them. J
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On 26 Oct 2012, at 23:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: > i think thats just a solution a person could perform if they were > in jail , > normal people might take it to a service technician.. i really have no > insight ,,never owned a mac ... good luck , i am now on my way to > writing a > few disks of sounds and wavs ,,hopefully resurect the small 3 songs > i diid > before i unleashed terror on the thing,,two years later , its back to > normal....you ever have one of these fz10m before jay? > > charles > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 5:17 PM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m > > > Hi Charles, > > ;) You did well there I messed about with the internals of a floppy > once and I made a right pigs breakfast of it. > > Its funny you should mention the oven because I have a broken 1.8 dual > G5 Powermac and one of the solutions on the web is to put the > mainboard in an oven to slightly melt the solder around the ram > sockets which is the problem with it coz it doesn't recognise the ram, > many a thing said in jest and all that. > > J > > On 24 Oct 2012, at 03:31, charlie midi gfa wrote: > >> no , took my head out of the oven >> >> >> but seriousilly >> painfully re-alligned the read head manually, >> >> stoked , it is regained strenght!!!!!!! >> >> charles >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >> >> >> Hey glad to hear it Charles did you take your false teeth out of the >> disk drive? >> >> J >> >> On 24 Oct 2012, at 02:34, charlie midi gfa wrote: >> >>> im bad for this too , but lets remmeber to address the originator >>> of the >>> thread and not the followers,,any side longed comments or items >>> should have >>> their own thread , else the group will look like crap... >>> >>> i did however manage to fix repair and re-install the original drive >>> for the >>> fz10m..so now i want to do disk trades..new thread! >>> >>> charles >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:59 AM >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >>> >>> >>> I think we are both in trouble I'm going to sit in the naughty >>> corner. >>> >>> J >>> >>> On 23 Oct 2012, at 14:31, jammie wrote: >>> >>>> i was asked a question by a member even if its of topic i answered >>>> it >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: charles c >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:58 PM >>>> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> you guys are off topic and what does this have to do with the >>>> original thread? >>>> charles] >>>> >>>> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> yes the mono tribe is pure analog electronics >>>>> >>>>> but descrete analog electronics is the way to go and easy to >>>>> repair >>>>> and get parts for but the use 4-5 times the amount of components >>>>> but they are matches better >>>>> >>>>> and provide superior sound >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:47 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try and >>>>> reply or argue with that. >>>>> My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I >>>>> believe >>>>> is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly >>>>> sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139 >>>>> new I >>>>> have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and moog's + >>>>> others and this is equally nice. >>>>> >>>>> J >>>>> >>>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> it was becuase every thing went digital >>>>>> >>>>>> the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and >>>>>> 01w >>>>>> >>>>>> they were pure digital machines with no res filter >>>>>> >>>>>> the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters >>>>>> >>>>>> ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters >>>>>> with >>>>>> digital osc >>>>>> >>>>>> but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital >>>>>> synths >>>>>> and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly >>>>>> synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog >>>>>> vca >>>>>> >>>>>> this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great >>>>>> >>>>>> so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters >>>>>> >>>>>> doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one >>>>>> thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing >>>>>> fast enough >>>>>> >>>>>> and you get samples in time delay for feed back >>>>>> >>>>>> unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input >>>>>> >>>>>> with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the >>>>>> begining >>>>>> which adds latency >>>>>> >>>>>> roland did it but it was good but analog it was not >>>>>> >>>>>> casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital >>>>>> control >>>>>> by cpu and analog audio path >>>>>> >>>>>> all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu >>>>>> control >>>>>> the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled >>>>>> and >>>>>> they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN >>>>>> >>>>>> the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and >>>>>> hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters >>>>>> >>>>>> this was first done on an 8bit system >>>>>> >>>>>> thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a >>>>>> little >>>>>> steppy >>>>>> >>>>>> the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit >>>>>> dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000 >>>>>> it >>>>>> was left as 8bits and is very steppy >>>>>> >>>>>> for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital >>>>>> and a new analog filter >>>>>> >>>>>> out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series >>>>>> samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best >>>>>> >>>>>> yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths >>>>>> >>>>>> as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/ >>>>>> asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs >>>>>> can >>>>>> do >>>>>> >>>>>> i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1 >>>>>> >>>>>> i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could >>>>>> do >>>>>> the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding >>>>>> >>>>>> and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the >>>>>> fealing >>>>>> of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves >>>>>> losing all the detail of the wavetable >>>>>> >>>>>> even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did >>>>>> not use res >>>>>> >>>>>> the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the >>>>>> table >>>>>> with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used >>>>>> sin/ >>>>>> tri/square/saw noise waves >>>>>> >>>>>> i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you >>>>>> can >>>>>> do some neat filter tricks >>>>>> >>>>>> i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having >>>>>> the >>>>>> 135mb optical drives >>>>>> >>>>>> i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks >>>>>> >>>>>> and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that >>>>>> >>>>>> i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware >>>>>> sequencer >>>>>> >>>>>> kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack >>>>>> >>>>>> tx16w >>>>>> >>>>>> the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex >>>>>> >>>>>> the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file >>>>>> support >>>>>> >>>>>> EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2 >>>>>> >>>>>> i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII >>>>>> >>>>>> but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second >>>>>> hand mula >>>>>> >>>>>> i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can >>>>>> add >>>>>> your own >>>>>> >>>>>> being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers >>>>>> and >>>>>> get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments >>>>>> >>>>>> the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do >>>>>> very >>>>>> good synth type sounds >>>>>> >>>>>> the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter >>>>>> and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1 >>>>>> and >>>>>> was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this >>>>>> >>>>>> yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 >>>>>> key >>>>>> sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 >>>>>> filter >>>>>> with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod >>>>>> wheel >>>>>> made it so much fatter with doing chords >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hiya, >>>>>> >>>>>> I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad. >>>>>> I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the >>>>>> DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did >>>>>> they >>>>>> release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they >>>>>> didn't >>>>>> want to take sales away from the DSS-1? >>>>>> >>>>>> J >>>>>> >>>>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> yes but the akai are so clinical digital >>>>>>> >>>>>>> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog >>>>>>> filters >>>>>>> and they are warm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and >>>>>>> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res >>>>>>> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital >>>>>>> synths >>>>>>> through it >>>>>>> >>>>>>> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION >>>>>>> >>>>>>> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter >>>>>>> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this >>>>>>> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the >>>>>>> matrix12 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in >>>>>>> fzf >>>>>>> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what >>>>>>> waveshapes you want >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg >>>>>>> series >>>>>>> >>>>>>> same for the uwave and the uwavext >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the prophet vs including my user waves >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the kawai k3 k1/k4/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths >>>>>>> >>>>>>> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers >>>>>>> by >>>>>>> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves >>>>>>> lower >>>>>>> you can get very fat sounds >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the >>>>>>> dco >>>>>>> of the roland series >>>>>>> >>>>>>> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune >>>>>>> control >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie. >>>>>>> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as >>>>>>> good >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without >>>>>>> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I >>>>>>> love >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to >>>>>>> analogue >>>>>>> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder >>>>>>> everybody >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> his wife bought an Akai. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some >>>>>>> interesting >>>>>>> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on >>>>>>> match of >>>>>>> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the >>>>>>>> near >>>>>>>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm >>>>>>>> card >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog >>>>>>>> filters >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but >>>>>>>> easy >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and >>>>>>>> adding a >>>>>>>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc >>>>>>>> becuase >>>>>>>> you need 7v for that >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv >>>>>>>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any >>>>>>>> midi >>>>>>>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you >>>>>>>> set >>>>>>>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch >>>>>>>> envelopes >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other >>>>>>>> creating a >>>>>>>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the >>>>>>>> ppg >>>>>>>> wavetables >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>> the same single cycle additive waveform >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> for slot one and the end slot >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and >>>>>>>> atari >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> and made it easy for looping >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep >>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>> like the ppg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i have done all the ppg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the >>>>>>>> ppg >>>>>>>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half >>>>>>>> cycle >>>>>>>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Jammie, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on >>>>>>>> here >>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to. >>>>>>>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I >>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those >>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> f**king huge. >>>>>>>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> k3 >>>>>>>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin >>>>>>>>> synthesis >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: jammie >>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section >>>>>>>>> sounds >>>>>>>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other >>>>>>>>> synth/ >>>>>>>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the >>>>>>>>> Korg >>>>>>>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland >>>>>>>>> samplers >>>>>>>>> and the Fairlight of course. >>>>>>>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive >>>>>>>>> drawing >>>>>>>>> using a slider too. >>>>>>>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one >>>>>>>>> in a >>>>>>>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could >>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it >>>>>>>>> from a >>>>>>>>> Jaz >>>>>>>>> drive. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , >>>>>>>>>> and by now the prices of a >>>>>>>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... >>>>>>>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? >>>>>>>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology >>>>>>>>>> personally? >>>>>>>>>> i am interested adapting >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> charles >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>>>>>>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw >>>>>>>>>>>> image >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> cant >>>>>>>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image >>>>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy >>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>> its a >>>>>>>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the >>>>>>>>>>>> fz20 >>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>> use the scsi >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m >>>>>>>>>>>> floppies? >>>>>>>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> so a little o.t. >>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , >>>>>>>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> fz10m >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> charles >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yahoo! 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